Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-09 Thread Erik Steven Harrison
-- On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:24:11 Damian Conway wrote: > >Think of it as punctuation. As a necessary alternative to the poor >overworked colon. > Or the poor overworked dot? > > >> it all looks the same to me. And I like different things to look different. > >A fair point. My counterargume

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-09 Thread Damian Conway
Steve Canfield wrote: > I was under the impression that compile time properties, like runtime > properties, can be arbitrarily invented and/or assigned. Yes, but not purely lower-case ones. They're reserved for Perl 6 itself. (i.e. only Larry can invent/assign them ;-) > If that is > correct,

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-09 Thread Steve Canfield
>From: Uri Guttman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >that is not a variable property so it should be >a compile time error. I was under the impression that compile time properties, like runtime properties, can be arbitrarily invented and/or assigned. If that is correct, why would "my $var is true", meaningle

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-09 Thread Damian Conway
Erik Steven Harrison wrote: > But still, what counts as a runtime property, other than true or > false, as in the delightful '0 but true'? What other kind of runtime > labels can I slap on a value? Here's ten to start with... for <> but tainted(0) {...} # note that external data

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-09 Thread Damian Conway
Erik Steven Harrison wrote: > Just found this hidden in my inbox. > I didn't think anyone was paying attention ;-). Oh, we *always* pay attention. We just don't always respond. ;-) >>What I most like about the C syntax is (like methods in >>OO Perl), it associates a meaningful *name* with e

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-08 Thread Uri Guttman
> "SC" == Steve Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: SC> Would it be accurate to say that "is" sets properties of variables, SC> whereas "but" sets properties of values? If so, what would this output: SC> my $var is true; that is not a variable property so it should be a compile tim

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-08 Thread Steve Canfield
>From: Trey Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Steve Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I would expect it to output "false". > >Why? I believe that, whatever you set $var to, you have marked the >variable as constantly true in booleans. Because in my experience variables are not true or false. They

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-08 Thread Trey Harris
In a message dated Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Steve Canfield writes: > Would it be accurate to say that "is" sets properties of variables, whereas > "but" sets properties of values? If so, what would this output: > > my $var is true; > $var=0; > if ($var) {print "true"} > else {print "false"} > > I

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-08 Thread Steve Canfield
Would it be accurate to say that "is" sets properties of variables, whereas "but" sets properties of values? If so, what would this output: my $var is true; $var=0; if ($var) {print "true"} else {print "false"} I would expect it to output "false". __

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-08 Thread Damian Conway
Peter Behroozi wrote: >> sub hidden (str $name, int $force is aka($override)) {...} > > > Hang on a moment! In your original answer to this question, you used > the "is named('alias')" syntax, but now you are suggesting using the > sigil in the syntax. Yes, but for a *different* property.

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-07 Thread Me
> Damian Conway wrote: > >>And is the is/but distinction still around? > > > >Oh, yes. > > Could someone please reference where this decision was > made. I do not find any information describing the distinction. The following May 2001 post was related. Poke around the thread it was in, especial

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-07 Thread Steve Canfield
Damian Conway wrote: >>And is the is/but distinction still around? > >Oh, yes. Could someone please reference where this decision was made. I do not find any information describing the distinction. Steve _ Join the world’s larges

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-07 Thread Erik Steven Harrison
-- On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:26:08 Damian Conway wrote: >Erik Steven Harrison wrote: > > >> Is it just me or is the 'is' property syntax a little >> too intuitive? Seems like everywhere I turn, the >> proposed syntax to solve a problem is to apply a >> property. > >That's because most of th

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-07 Thread Erik Steven Harrison
reposted because my mailer is evil -- On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:31:45 Damian Conway wrote: >Erik Steven Harrison wrote: > >> I know that the property syntax is pseudo established, >> but I'm beggining to become a bit jaded about all the >> built in properties were building. What about good ol'

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-07 Thread Erik Steven Harrison
-- On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:31:45 Damian Conway wrote: >Erik Steven Harrison wrote: > >> I know that the property syntax is pseudo established, >> but I'm beggining to become a bit jaded about all the >> built in properties were building. What about good ol' >> aliases? >> >> sub hidden (s

RE: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-07 Thread Brent Dax
Erik Steven Harrison: # But still, what counts as a runtime property, other than true or # false, as in the delightful '0 but true'? What other kind of runtime # labels can I slap on a value? These occur to me: $foo=0 but string("zero"); $bar='foobar' but num(1); $baz=1

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-05 Thread Peter Behroozi
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 04:31, Damian Conway wrote: >sub hidden (str $name, int $force is aka($override)) {...} Hang on a moment! In your original answer to this question, you used the "is named('alias')" syntax, but now you are suggesting using the sigil in the syntax. So, should it really b

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-05 Thread Damian Conway
Erik Steven Harrison wrote: > I know that the property syntax is pseudo established, > but I'm beggining to become a bit jaded about all the > built in properties were building. What about good ol' > aliases? > > sub hidden (str $name, int $force := $override) {...} I'm not keen on it becaus

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-05 Thread Damian Conway
Erik Steven Harrison wrote: > Is it just me or is the 'is' property syntax a little > too intuitive? Seems like everywhere I turn, the > proposed syntax to solve a problem is to apply a > property. That's because most of the problems we're discussing are solved by changing the semantics of

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-04 Thread Erik Steven Harrison
> sub hidden (str $name, int $force is aka($override)) >{ ... } I know that the property syntax is pseudo established, but I'm beggining to become a bit jaded about all the built in properties were building. What about good ol' aliases? sub hidden (str $name, int $force := $override) {

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-04 Thread Erik Steven Harrison
Somewhere, in another thread . . . Dr. Claw wrote . . . >> sub hidden (str $name, int $force is aka($override)) >>{ ... } > >Yeah, that's what I meant. Is it just me or is the 'is' property syntax a little too intuitive? Seems like everywhere I turn, the proposed syntax to solve a problem

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-04 Thread Damian Conway
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> sub hidden (str $name, int $force, int $override is aka($force)) >> { ... } > > > Would the following be simpler...? > > sub hidden (str $name, int $force is aka($override)) >{ ... } Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry. I've travelled 14,000 miles and given 93

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-04 Thread Peter Behroozi
From: Damian Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] > If it were allowed, it would probably be done > via properties instead: > > sub hidden (str $name, int $force, int $override is aka($force)) >{ ... } How does this method affect the non-parameter-based calling scheme? It looks like it is possible to

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Damian Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] > If it were allowed, it would probably be done > via properties instead: > > sub hidden (str $name, int $force, int $override is aka($force)) >{ ... } Would the following be simpler...? sub hidden (str $name, int $force is aka($override)) { ... }

Re: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-04 Thread Damian Conway
Peter Behroozi wrote: > Has anyone considered a syntax for allowing subroutines to have many > different names for the same argument? If it were allowed, it would probably be done via properties instead: sub hidden (str $name, int $force, int $override is aka($force)) { ... } Damian

RE: Argument aliasing for subs

2002-09-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Peter Behroozi [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Has anyone considered a syntax for allowing > subroutines to have many different names for > the same argument? For example, in CGI.pm, many > methods support the "-override" parameter but > can also accept the alias of "-force": Yes. See the thread start