Re: [ADMIN] convert from latin1 to utf8

2013-10-10 Thread Scott Whitney
I needed both UTF8 and Latin-1. I accomplished this by initdb with the LOCALE set to C. That lets me create dbs "with template0 encoding='Latin-1'" as well as "encoding=UTF8," FWIW... Original message From: Marc Fromm Date: 10/10/2013 5:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: pgsql-admin@po

Re: [ADMIN] 3 disks configured RAID 0 over 10 disks configured in RAID 5 (self replicating SAN)

2013-08-27 Thread Scott Whitney
Never RAID 5 for a database. When I say "never," I can give you edge-case scenarios, but you're basically taking a 4x overhead on all writes. Now, RAID-0 is a bad choice as well, since JBOD has no replication, but it sounds like you might have that end under control. Original message -

Re: [ADMIN] WTF? 9.2.4 Logs have the wrong day of the week?

2013-08-13 Thread Scott Whitney
Server is set to "Chicago." CDT (or CST...are we in or out? I never remember...) GMT -6/5.  Original message From: Tom Lane Date: 08/13/2013 7:54 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Scott Whitney ,Scott Whitney Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] WTF? 9.2.4 Log

[ADMIN] WTF? 9.2.4 Logs have the wrong day of the week?

2013-08-13 Thread Scott Whitney
Everything you need to see is right here: [root@ pg_log]# ls -lrt total 5924 -rw--- 1 postgres postgres 708669 Aug 8 18:59 postgresql-Thu.log -rw--- 1 postgres postgres 669505 Aug 9 18:59 postgresql-Fri.log -rw--- 1 postgres postgres 03 Aug 10 18:56 postgresql-Sat.log -rw-

Re: [ADMIN] Opinions on SSDs

2013-08-12 Thread Scott Whitney
I tested the hybrid approach during my months-long testing and performance stuff, and I was a bit underwhelmed. That said, what _I_ personally really needed was increase in peak iops. Using spindles for "static" data (OS, some logs, and such) worked fine, but no matter how I split up the pg st

Re: [ADMIN] Opinions on SSDs

2013-08-12 Thread Scott Whitney
When you say "16 10K drives," do you mean: a) RAID 0 with 16 drives? b) RAID 1 with 8+8 drives? c) RAID 5 with 12 drives? d) RAID 1 with 7+7 drives and 2 hotspares? We moved from a 14 FC drive (15k RPM) array (6+6 with 2 hotspares) to a 6 SSD array (2+2 with 2 hotspares) because our iops wo

[ADMIN] Some replication-related notes and questions

2013-04-30 Thread Scott Whitney
up and running on Saturday, I was wondering whether full vacuum could have been to blame for the servers getting out ot sync. Thanks, Scott Whitney

[ADMIN] Replication monitoring questions

2013-01-17 Thread Scott Whitney
I've got replication setup (streaming replication) between two 9.2.2 clusters. Everything went just fine on that, and it's working as expected. Now, obviously, I'll know if my primary goes down. I just monitor him as usual. How do I tell whether the standby has gone out of sync for whatever re

Re: [ADMIN] Database just hangs at startup

2012-10-17 Thread Scott Whitney
I'd hate to contradict Tom, and since ^ is probably a typo, and you likely meant *, yes, that's likely, but be sure you understand the implications of listening on all interfaces first. Just saying from an IT point of view.Tom Lane wrote:Terry Khatri writes: > I am having problems making any c

[ADMIN] Migrating to PG 9.2 (LONG, SORRY)

2012-10-03 Thread Scott Whitney
ook accurate? Anyone have recommendations for companies you would use to pay for additional vetting? Thanks in advance. Scott Whitney PS: I have written a multi-proc script (in Python, Linux specific at the moment) for pg_dump that you can use to pg_dump and restore said dumps. If anyone'

Re: [ADMIN] Backup/disaster recovery and bandwidth (long)

2012-04-25 Thread Scott Whitney
you can pick the tables you really want get > replicated there. > For the backup turn to hot backup (tar $PGDATA)+ archiving, easier, > faster and more efficient rather than a logical copy with pgdump. > A.A > On 04/25/2012 09:11 AM, Scott Whitney wrote: > > Hello, everyone. I w

[ADMIN] Backup/disaster recovery and bandwidth (long)

2012-04-25 Thread Scott Whitney
Hello, everyone. I want to throw a scenario out there to see what y'all think. Soon, my cluster backups will be increasing in size inordinately. They're going to immediately go to 3x as large as they currently are with the potential to be about 20x within a year or so. My current setup uses a

[ADMIN] Clarification on start/stop backup

2012-04-18 Thread Scott Whitney
I'll be moving to PG9 (hopefully soon...probably 6 weeks). At that time, I'll be setting up hot-standby with streaming replication to 2 sites. Off-siting my pgdumps nightly is no longer going to be possible in the very near future, due to the size of the dumps. So...what I had planned to do wa

Re: [ADMIN] utf8 database not dumping utf8 characters

2012-04-06 Thread Scott Whitney
What version, Matt? I had that problem back in 8.1x - Original Message - > I have a database that is utf8 and displays utf8 values correctly in > psql. When dumped, it displays the utf8 characters incorrectly. ie. > ö turns into à > In the header of the dump file, I have: > SET client_e

Re: [ADMIN] PGadmin PostgresSQL

2012-03-31 Thread Scott Whitney
I dealt with this issue for years. It's not a pgadmin issue. In my case I had ipchains messing with me then iptables. Eventually Cisco. Each time I've moved to a new firewall, I have to re-solve this issue. Unless others are interested, take this offline and email me. Original message -

Re: [ADMIN] pg_clogs hanging around

2011-03-10 Thread Scott Whitney
> > This is also interesting. I just allowed connections to template0 > > for the express purpose of vacuuming it, did a full vac on > > template0, and that did NOT clear up the hanging clogs. > > Was it a VACUUM FREEZE followed by a CHECKPOINT? Did you also cover > that new database? Yes, yes an

Re: [ADMIN] pg_clogs hanging around

2011-03-10 Thread Scott Whitney
> > > > > If you have hardware problems like that you have way more > > > > > problems. You could have corruption (silent) occurring in any > > > > > of the other > > > > > database files. Good luck. > > > > > > > > I am, in fact, aware of that, but every single machine ever > > > > manufactured wi

Re: [ADMIN] pg_clogs hanging around

2011-03-10 Thread Scott Whitney
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 07:56:26AM -0600, Scott Whitney wrote: > > > > > > If you have hardware problems like that you have way more > > > problems. You could have corruption (silent) occurring in any of > > > the other > > > database files. Good

Re: [ADMIN] pg_clogs hanging around

2011-03-10 Thread Scott Whitney
> > Ooops...I accidentally took this off list, as Kevin was nice enough > > to point out. > > > > > > >> What am I looking for? > > > > >Outliers. > > > > > Yeah. It's just those 2. I'd assume that the db I created > > > yesterday would be an outlier, but template0 has been there all > > > along (o

Re: [ADMIN] pg_clogs hanging around

2011-03-10 Thread Scott Whitney
Ooops...I accidentally took this off list, as Kevin was nice enough to point out. >> What am I looking for? >Outliers. > Yeah. It's just those 2. I'd assume that the db I created > yesterday would be an outlier, but template0 has been there all along > (of course) and is still listed as 648,

[ADMIN] pg_clogs hanging around

2011-03-09 Thread Scott Whitney
I had this issue back in pg 7.x, and it was resolved by using -a in vacuumdb. I'm having it again in v8.4.4. So, my pg_clog directory contains files going back to Jul 13 of 2010. Every Saturday, I run: "vacuumdb -a -v -F" I _thought_ that was supposed to clear those out. Am I wrong?

Re: [ADMIN] pg_clog not getting cleared

2010-12-22 Thread Scott Whitney
which, I think, is when the server was last restarted. I'll try the -F on Sat and see if that resolves the issue. I'll also have logs available at that time, assuming all goes well. Thanks for the advice. Scott Whitney wrote: > Each Saturday, I run: vacuumdb -a -v. I hav

[ADMIN] pg_clog not getting cleared

2010-12-21 Thread Scott Whitney
Hello. I posted this once before, but I'm encountering it again. Each Saturday, I run: vacuumdb -a -v. I have autovac on all the time. However, my pg_clog directory lists clog files going back to July. This is pg 8.4.4 on Linux (CentOS 5.5). I know this isn't a whole lot of information at t

Re: [ADMIN] Find all running postgres DB servers on a network

2010-11-17 Thread Scott Whitney
That only works in the event that you have PG listening on port 5432. A product like Spiceworks will provide much more detail, presuming you have the IT credentials to talk to the machines. nmap is the way to go. Try to scan for port 5432 in a range of IP of your LAN. ~Fred Linkedin pro

Re: [ADMIN] Using LDAP with postgresql 8.2

2010-10-29 Thread Scott Whitney
There are ways to enable it, but in general, yes, you're right. In AD you have to do some magic to bind if you're not part of the actual AD forest. Hi, I'm not an AD expert myself, but I've read somewhere, that AD disallows simple binds without using ssl. You could try enabling ssl on AD,

Re: [ADMIN] restore

2010-10-05 Thread Scott Whitney
There are a couple of ways. Assuming that it's the same database, and it's up and running, you could do this: Assuming: table foo (col1 text, col2 int); table bar (col2 text, col3 int); insert into bar (select * from foo); would stick everything from foo.col1 and foo.col2 into bar.col2 and

Re: [ADMIN] [NOVICE] - SAN/NAS/DAS - Need advises

2010-09-07 Thread Scott Whitney
While I agree with JD, we ended up using a fiber solution through a fiber switch with multi-path drivers (IBM DS4300). It did end up costing a few thousand dollars with all of the drives, but the performance made it worth it. The big thing you want to remember to consider with any storage optio

Re: [ADMIN] 6 SCSI Disks RAID 10 x 2 SCSI DISKS RAID1 + 4 SCSI Disks RAID 10

2010-05-06 Thread Scott Whitney
Well, there are quite a few more variables to consider, including: a) speed of the drives b) battery backed caching controller or not c) throughput of the controller channels d) your particular use Point d is kind of the most important. We've got about 250 customers talking to the same back

Re: [ADMIN] more 10K disks or less 15K disks

2010-04-30 Thread Scott Whitney
In practice, I find that theory holds up only erratically. - "Greg Smith" wrote: > Scott Whitney wrote: > > On the 10k vs 15k rpm disks, there's a _lot_ to be said about that. I don't > > want to start a flame war here, > > but 15k versus 10k rpm ha

Re: [ADMIN] more 10K disks or less 15K disks

2010-04-29 Thread Scott Whitney
During the testing that I did when moving from pg7 to pg8 a few years back, I didn't notice any particular performance increase on a similarly-configured server. That is, we've got 14 disks (15k rpm) striped in a single RAID10 array. Moving the logs to an internal RAID versus leaving them on

Re: [ADMIN] Postgresql-8.4 won't boot at startup on 9.10

2010-04-06 Thread Scott Whitney
Will PG start at all? Manually, even? I'd say "go back to clean," first of all by removing your from-source install, and reinstall the apt-get packages. At that point, can you start postgres at all? If not, what do you system logs and postgres startup logs say? - "Jordz" wrote: > I have

[ADMIN] Autovac vs manual with analyze

2010-03-15 Thread Scott Whitney
I've got about 44GB of data in a few hundred production databases. I'm using PG 8.1.4, but upgrading today (even to the latest 8.1) is not an option. I know, I know. I wish it were, and it's slated here for q2, but I cannot even apply maintenance patches without a full testing cycle. My auto

[ADMIN] Autovac versus manual vac with analyze

2010-03-15 Thread Scott Whitney
I've got about 44GB of data in a few hundred production databases. I'm using PG 8.1.4, but upgrading today (even to the latest 8.1) is not an option. I know, I know. I wish it were, and it's slated here for q2, but I cannot even apply maintenance patches without a full testing cycle. My auto-v

Re: [ADMIN] Autovac vs manual with analyze

2010-03-15 Thread Scott Whitney
I've got about 44GB of data in a few hundred production databases. I'm using PG 8.1.4, but upgrading today (even to the latest 8.1) is not an option. I know, I know. I wish it were, and it's slated here for q2, but I cannot even apply maintenance patches without a full testing cycle. My aut

Re: [ADMIN] How to tell what OS PostgreSQL is installed on.

2009-10-08 Thread Scott Whitney
-- From: pgsql-admin-ow...@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-admin-ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Scott Whitney Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:11 PM To: 'Louis Lam'; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] How to tell what OS PostgreSQL is installed on. Visual C++ is Microsoft&#x

Re: [ADMIN] How to tell what OS PostgreSQL is installed on.

2009-10-08 Thread Scott Whitney
Another option might be to look in the select pg_show_all_settings() for the ident_file. If the ident file is a DOS path (aka c:\somewhere\some dir\some file), you know you're on a Windows-based system. If it's a UNIX path, select version() will tell you specifically. -Original Message-

Re: [ADMIN] How to tell what OS PostgreSQL is installed on.

2009-10-08 Thread Scott Whitney
Visual C++ is Microsoft's compiler for C++. If something is compiled with Visual C++, it was COMPILED on Windows. There is a 99.9% chance that the underlying machine is also Windows (unless you're talking about a VM, but, still, the OS on which PG itself is running is, in fact, Windows). To the be

Re: [ADMIN] Postgres restart

2009-09-21 Thread Scott Whitney
e whether you're paging or waiting on storage. I suspect you'll find that throwing hardware (memory, as a guess) at this problem will solve it. -Original Message- From: S Arvind [mailto:arvindw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:19 PM To: Scott Whitney; pgsql-ad

Re: [ADMIN] Postgres restart

2009-09-21 Thread Scott Whitney
There's an awful lot of information left out that would be very useful to help advise you. Restarting the postgres services on a daily basis is certainly nothing that's going to corrupt your data or hurt your system, PROVIDED that it is done correctly (ie: not killing the backend postmaster when s

Re: [ADMIN] Catching up Production from Warm Standbyaftermaintenance - Please help

2009-07-07 Thread Scott Whitney
>That's most likely because you have too small an FSM. Have you tuned >that? My settings are: max_fsm_pages = 150 # min max_fsm_relations*16, 6 bytes each max_fsm_relations = 7 # min 100, ~70 bytes each It's quite possible that those settings are too low, b

Re: [ADMIN] Catching up Production from Warm Standby aftermaintenance - Please help

2009-07-07 Thread Scott Whitney
>> I'd like to phone in with a slightly different opinion on VACUUM FULL. Yeah, >> it should be avoided when possible, but it's not always possible. In our >> case, I've got 300ish databases backing to a single database server. Each of >> those dbs has a couple of hundred tables and a hundred or mo

Re: [ADMIN] Catching up Production from Warm Standby aftermaintenance - Please help

2009-07-07 Thread Scott Whitney
I'd like to phone in with a slightly different opinion on VACUUM FULL. Yeah, it should be avoided when possible, but it's not always possible. In our case, I've got 300ish databases backing to a single database server. Each of those dbs has a couple of hundred tables and a hundred or more views. Th

Re: [ADMIN] backing up a PostGRES DB

2009-04-01 Thread Scott Whitney
Well, there are a lot of unanswered questions in your post. What VM technology are you using? Does it support clustering or some such? Do you need to backup the entire VM, or just the PG data? Generally speaking, if the "machine" itself (installed OS and programs, etc) are not changing, what I wo

[ADMIN] max_connections from database

2009-02-26 Thread Scott Whitney
So, I got pretty close to my max_connections setting, and I had to up it last night. I did so, and I issued a pg_ctl reload. Everything _seems_ happy. However, the script I use to monitor this has the number hard-coded in it (well, it looks it up from the conf file, anyway), and I'd rather get the

Re: [ADMIN] Strange query problem...

2009-01-28 Thread Scott Whitney
wanted. :) -Original Message- From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:j...@commandprompt.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:47 PM To: Scott Whitney Cc: 'Hoover, Jeffrey'; 'Kevin Grittner'; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Strange query problem... On Wed, 2009

Re: [ADMIN] Strange query problem...

2009-01-28 Thread Scott Whitney
day, January 28, 2009 12:31 PM To: Scott Whitney; Kevin Grittner; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Strange query problem... How do other databases handle this? I tried it in SQLite and I get different behavior (see below). Can someone try it in Oracle? In MySQL? In Sybase

Re: [ADMIN] Strange query problem...

2009-01-28 Thread Scott Whitney
So, you're sayin' I ain't crazy? :) -Original Message- From: Hoover, Jeffrey [mailto:jhoo...@jcvi.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:18 PM To: Kevin Grittner; Scott Whitney; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Strange query problem... Wow! I would neve

[ADMIN] Strange query problem...

2009-01-28 Thread Scott Whitney
Um. How is this possible? Am I doing something very, very stupid, here? mydb=# select * from time_recs where id_time_rec not in (select id_time_rec from punch_time_recs); id_time_rec | id_user | record_date | id_code_task | id_code_pay_type | id_project | time_amount | comment | commit_state | i

Re: [ADMIN] Strange deadlock error last night

2009-01-13 Thread Scott Whitney
upgrade policy, though. After all, when I _do_ get hit by one of those bugs, I _will_ be asked why we weren't upgraded. *sigh* -Original Message- From: Scott Marlowe [mailto:scott.marl...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:16 PM To: Scott Whitney Cc: pgsql-admin@postgres

[ADMIN] Strange deadlock error last night

2009-01-13 Thread Scott Whitney
We're running auto-vacuum, as we have been for years. A full vacuum happens every Saturday night. Any clever ideas? Requests for more information? Thanks in advance! Scott Whitney Journyx, Inc. -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin

[ADMIN] Another PITR question

2008-10-22 Thread Scott Whitney
Sorry for the repetition on some of this stuff. I'm just now learning it. So, I've got my WALs archiving just fine, and I've got my base backup. What I'd like to do is keep the standby server in recovery mode. Docs say: "If we continuously feed the series of WAL files to another machine that has

Re: [ADMIN] PITR question with base backup

2008-10-21 Thread Scott Whitney
EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:10 PM To: Scott Whitney Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] PITR question with base backup Scott Whitney wrote: > The problem is that I create databases pretty regularly. Let's say I create > 3 in a week. I'm not looking f

[ADMIN] PITR question with base backup

2008-10-21 Thread Scott Whitney
I'm in the process of testing PITR recovery, and I have an issue. My "data" directory is 30GB. Not huge, but it certainly takes awhile to tar up. My understanding is: a) pg_start_backup b) tar up c) pg_stop_backup d) restore tar file The problem is that I create databases pretty regularly. Let's

Re: [ADMIN] missing chunk number 0 for toast value

2008-09-24 Thread Scott Whitney
I ran into this issue awhile ago. Here's my long internal tech note to my dev guys on what I did. A bit modified for more genericism: I'm in the process of migrating our internal db server, and I decided to use the helpdesk as my test database. It backed up fine last night. Something went horribly

[ADMIN] Stop connections to a specific database

2008-07-18 Thread Scott Whitney
I'm migrating a pg server (v 8.1.4) this weekend, and I have 2 dbs left on it. One cannot be shut down until tomorrow. The last remaining one, I can migrate today. However, the software that talks to it is somewhat "hinky" and has several places that connect -- there is no overall consolidated con

Re: [ADMIN] Warm standby server

2008-06-26 Thread Scott Whitney
1:21 PM To: Scott Whitney Cc: Simon Riggs; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Warm standby server While I am not an expert on WAL, but again I question the merits of such sophisticated HA configuration. Of course there are use cases for such configs, but I am only advocating best price p

Re: [ADMIN] Warm standby server

2008-06-26 Thread Scott Whitney
andby2 (at my office)? Assume no auto-failover. -Original Message- From: Montaseri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 26, 2008 12:51 PM To: Simon Riggs Cc: Scott Whitney; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Warm standby server I am not so sure of this arrangement's m

[ADMIN] Warm standby server

2008-06-26 Thread Scott Whitney
I've got 3 different database servers (db01, db02 and db03). I would like to have a WAL standby server that replays logs for all 3 in case one goes down, so I can promote that particular server. Can I do this by installing 3 separate postmasters on this machine? Obviously, if 2 went down at the s

Re: [ADMIN] Missing chunks from my toast...

2008-06-20 Thread Scott Whitney
found this by using "select * from attachments limit 1000 offset 0" then incremented until I found the bad rec. :) d) insert the recs manually into the new db Just an FYI for anyone else who runs into this and doesn't want to use a known good backup. -Original Message- From:

Re: [ADMIN] Missing chunks from my toast...

2008-06-20 Thread Scott Whitney
OTECTED] Sent: Jun 20, 2008 11:41 AM To: Scott Whitney Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Missing chunks from my toast... "Scott Whitney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There goes my breakfast... > pg_dump: ERROR: missing chunk number 0 for toast value 110439

[ADMIN] Missing chunks from my toast...

2008-06-20 Thread Scott Whitney
There goes my breakfast... pg_dump: ERROR: missing chunk number 0 for toast value 110439697 pg_dump: SQL command to dump the contents of table "attachments" failed: PQendcopy() failed. pg_dump: Error message from server: ERROR: missing chunk number 0 for toast value 110439697 pg_dump: The comman

Re: [ADMIN] select current UTC time ?

2008-06-05 Thread Scott Whitney
This seems to work for me: template1=# select now() at time zone 'UTC'; timezone 2008-06-05 19:08:50.590806 (1 row) template1=# select now(); now --- 2008-06-05 14:08:57.278037-05 Cheers

[ADMIN] PANIC: right sibling

2007-12-04 Thread Scott Whitney
I don't really understand the postings I've found on this issue. This has been going on for quite some time, but now that I'm regularly vacuuming this db, I was looking for any info on how to fix this problem...I don't even know enough about it to know what to include in this message. This is the

Re: [ADMIN] Help with command syntax?

2007-11-13 Thread Scott Whitney
select datid from pg_stat_database where datname='km'; select database_size(that_id); -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol Walter Sent: Nov 13, 2007 9:35 AM To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: [ADMIN] Help with command syntax? Greeti

[ADMIN] PG 8.1.4 not clearing pg_clog

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Whitney
uumdb -f -v -z %s' where %s is each database in the system. I don't have the log at the moment to prove it ran Saturday, but, yeah it does. So... I'm performing a full vacuum on each database in the system every Saturday. My pg_clog files date back to August 8th. What am I doing

Re: [ADMIN] Using rsync for base backups for PITR

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Whitney
eta.com/ha-postgresql.html -Original Message- From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 10, 2007 11:39 AM To: Scott Whitney Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Using rsync for base backups for PITR Scott Whitney wrote: > I'm reading conflicting information

[ADMIN] Using rsync for base backups for PITR

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Whitney
I'm reading conflicting information on this. Is this a supported technique? start_backup rsync the initial base backup stop_backup Then, periodically, start_backup rsync again stop_backup It's my opinion that this wouuld significantly cut down the 30GB base backup I'll need to take for each PITR

[ADMIN] PG 8.1.4 not clearing pg_clog

2007-10-09 Thread Scott Whitney
it ran Saturday, but, yeah it does. So... I'm performing a full vacuum on each database in the system every Saturday. My pg_clog files date back to August 8th. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Scott Whitney Journyx, Inc. ---(end of broadcast)-