Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 4/2/21 9:11 AM, Stephen Frost wrote: > Greetings, > > * Jonathan S. Katz (jk...@postgresql.org) wrote: >> Thanks Stephen! Do we have any additional follow up on the pgweb side? > > Yes and no. :) > > Once the next set of minor releases is pushed out, I'll double-check > that everything is

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Greetings, * Jonathan S. Katz (jk...@postgresql.org) wrote: > On 4/1/21 3:34 PM, Stephen Frost wrote: > > * Stephen Frost (sfr...@snowman.net) wrote: > > >> I've written a patch to begin to make this change and sent it into > >> -hackers for comments, thread is here: > >> > >>

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 4/1/21 3:34 PM, Stephen Frost wrote: > Greetings, > > * Stephen Frost (sfr...@snowman.net) wrote: >> I've written a patch to begin to make this change and sent it into >> -hackers for comments, thread is here: >> >> https://postgr.es/m/20201120211304.gg16...@tamriel.snowman.net > > Just to

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Greetings, * Stephen Frost (sfr...@snowman.net) wrote: > * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 05:40:37PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > Therefore, on the whole, the proposal that I would put out there is: > > > > > > - Rename everything (code, docs, etc) to

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Greetings, * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 05:40:37PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > > Therefore, on the whole, the proposal that I would put out there is: > > > > - Rename everything (code, docs, etc) to 'predefined roles' for v14+ > > - Update the

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 05:40:37PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > Therefore, on the whole, the proposal that I would put out there is: > > - Rename everything (code, docs, etc) to 'predefined roles' for v14+ > - Update the documentation (only) in back-branches to mention that the > feature was

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Greetings, * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: > OK, Stephen, I believe you have a more comprehensive patch to make this > change. When can you complete it? The above email is from April. Having gone back through this thread (again) to figure out where we are on this, and chatting with

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 04:02:25PM -0400, Jonathan Katz wrote: > On 4/28/20 2:19 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 1:38 AM Jonathan S. Katz > > wrote: > > > > On 4/9/20 11:45 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr  9, 2020 at

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 2020-04-10 05:45, Bruce Momjian wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 08:47:56PM -0400, Jonathan Katz wrote: On 4/9/20 4:57 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: Jonathan, Stephen, with the minor release done, can we focus on adding the URL redirect and completing the patch to rename this feature in the docs?

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 4/28/20 2:19 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 1:38 AM Jonathan S. Katz > wrote: > > On 4/9/20 11:45 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Thu, Apr  9, 2020 at 08:47:56PM -0400, Jonathan Katz wrote: > >> On 4/9/20 4:57 PM, Bruce Momjian

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:20 PM Stephen Frost wrote: > Greetings, > > * Magnus Hagander (mag...@hagander.net) wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 1:38 AM Jonathan S. Katz > > wrote: > > > > > On 4/9/20 11:45 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 08:47:56PM -0400, Jonathan Katz

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Greetings, * Magnus Hagander (mag...@hagander.net) wrote: > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 1:38 AM Jonathan S. Katz > wrote: > > > On 4/9/20 11:45 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 08:47:56PM -0400, Jonathan Katz wrote: > > >> On 4/9/20 4:57 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > >>>

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 1:38 AM Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > On 4/9/20 11:45 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 08:47:56PM -0400, Jonathan Katz wrote: > >> On 4/9/20 4:57 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > >>> Jonathan, Stephen, with the minor release done, can we focus on adding > >>>

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 4/9/20 11:45 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 08:47:56PM -0400, Jonathan Katz wrote: >> On 4/9/20 4:57 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >>> Jonathan, Stephen, with the minor release done, can we focus on adding >>> the URL redirect and completing the patch to rename this feature in

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 08:47:56PM -0400, Jonathan Katz wrote: > On 4/9/20 4:57 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Jonathan, Stephen, with the minor release done, can we focus on adding > > the URL redirect and completing the patch to rename this feature in the > > docs? Thanks. > > Yes, I have a

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 4/9/20 4:57 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 10:59:09AM -0500, Jonathan Katz wrote: >> On 2/6/20 12:11 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:31:19AM -0500, Jonathan Katz wrote: > Using this feature to handle the rename of a file *between* major >

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 10:59:09AM -0500, Jonathan Katz wrote: > On 2/6/20 12:11 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:31:19AM -0500, Jonathan Katz wrote: > >>> Using this feature to handle the rename of a file *between* major > >>> versions, thus leaving the changes in master,

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Greetings, On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 14:24 Tom Lane wrote: > Stephen Frost writes: > > * Jonathan S. Katz (jk...@postgresql.org) wrote: > >> On 2/6/20 12:11 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > >>> Folks, is it Thursday. Can we revert this and return to it when we are > >>> not rushed? Alternatively, can

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Stephen Frost writes: > * Jonathan S. Katz (jk...@postgresql.org) wrote: >> On 2/6/20 12:11 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >>> Folks, is it Thursday. Can we revert this and return to it when we are >>> not rushed? Alternatively, can someone who controls all the moving >>> parts, like redirects and

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:05:04AM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Jonathan S. Katz (jk...@postgresql.org) wrote: > > I don't have the power to revert changes directly to the documentation > > in core, so I cannot take ownership of that part. However, I am happy to > > own the completion of the

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Greetings, * Jonathan S. Katz (jk...@postgresql.org) wrote: > On 2/6/20 12:11 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:31:19AM -0500, Jonathan Katz wrote: > >>> Using this feature to handle the rename of a file *between* major > >>> versions, thus leaving the changes in master,

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 2/6/20 12:11 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:31:19AM -0500, Jonathan Katz wrote: >>> Using this feature to handle the rename of a file *between* major >>> versions, thus leaving the changes in master, should be safe (as long >>> as we add an entry to that table in pgweb).

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:31:19AM -0500, Jonathan Katz wrote: > > Using this feature to handle the rename of a file *between* major > > versions, thus leaving the changes in master, should be safe (as long > > as we add an entry to that table in pgweb). > > > > As for back branches, I think we

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 2/4/20 3:34 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz wrote: >> So, if there was something done to redirect people from specific >> deprecated documentation pages historically, it was before my time. Most >> of the redirects have been as general purposes

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Greetings, * Alvaro Herrera (alvhe...@2ndquadrant.com) wrote: > On 2020-Feb-03, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > > > So, if there was something done to redirect people from specific > > deprecated documentation pages historically, it was before my time. Most > > of the redirects have been as general

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > > On 2/3/20 3:42 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 07:12:08PM -0500, R Ransbottom wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:23:48PM +0900, Ian Barwick wrote: > >>> On 2020/01/19 12:56, R Ransbottom wrote: > >> > I would

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 2020-Feb-03, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > So, if there was something done to redirect people from specific > deprecated documentation pages historically, it was before my time. Most > of the redirects have been as general purposes ones (e.g. /docs/12), the > rules we put in for getting rid of

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 2/3/20 3:42 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 07:12:08PM -0500, R Ransbottom wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:23:48PM +0900, Ian Barwick wrote: >>> On 2020/01/19 12:56, R Ransbottom wrote: >> I would hope to find correct documentation somewhere--that somewhere >> >>>

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 07:12:08PM -0500, R Ransbottom wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:23:48PM +0900, Ian Barwick wrote: > > On 2020/01/19 12:56, R Ransbottom wrote: > > > > I would hope to find correct documentation somewhere--that somewhere > > > Indeed, however it's important that the

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:23:48PM +0900, Ian Barwick wrote: > On 2020/01/19 12:56, R Ransbottom wrote: > > I would hope to find correct documentation somewhere--that somewhere > Indeed, however it's important that the PostgreSQL documentation remains > stable for released versions. > As-is,

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Bruce Momjian writes: > I looked at that option. If the section was a hash reference, > "#section_name", we could just add another hash, but in this case the > section name is part of the file name: > https://www.postgresql.org/docs/12/default-roles.html Yeah, IDs propagate into HTML

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:06:43AM +0100, Laurenz Albe wrote: > On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 17:13 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Well, I am renaming the documentation label for the feature. Is that > > different than wording? I guess I can see that. If everyone agrees I > > can revert the backpatch,

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 17:13 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Well, I am renaming the documentation label for the feature. Is that > different than wording? I guess I can see that. If everyone agrees I > can revert the backpatch, but I don't want to do that if other people > are going to say this

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 06:45:16PM +, Simon Riggs wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 16:03, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Usually when I apply "wording" doc patches to head only, someone > complains that it should be backpatched, so I did that in this case.  If > we want to change that

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:23:48PM +0900, Ian Barwick wrote: > > I would hope to find correct documentation somewhere--that somewhere > > should be Postgresql's own documentation. > > Indeed, however it's important that the PostgreSQL documentation remains > stable for released versions. > >

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On 2020/01/19 12:56, R Ransbottom wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 02:45:02PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:46:31AM +0100, Laurenz Albe wrote: On Fri, 2019-12-27 at 12:16 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Hi, On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 02:45:02PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:46:31AM +0100, Laurenz Albe wrote: > > > On Fri, 2019-12-27 at 12:16 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 05:44:10AM +, PG Doc

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 02:45:02PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > I think that "predefined role" is better than "default role". > > > > Thanks, patch applied through 9.6. > > Erm, I didn't agree with this and pointed to reasons why it was based, > for starters, on a misunderstanding and

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

Greetings, * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:46:31AM +0100, Laurenz Albe wrote: > > On Fri, 2019-12-27 at 12:16 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 05:44:10AM +, PG Doc comments form wrote: > > > > The following documentation comment

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:46:31AM +0100, Laurenz Albe wrote: > On Fri, 2019-12-27 at 12:16 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 05:44:10AM +, PG Doc comments form wrote: > > > The following documentation comment has been logged on the website: > > > > > > Page:

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Fri, 2019-12-27 at 12:16 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 05:44:10AM +, PG Doc comments form wrote: > > The following documentation comment has been logged on the website: > > > > Page: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/12/default-roles.html > > Description: > > > > The

Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 05:44:10AM +, PG Doc comments form wrote: > The following documentation comment has been logged on the website: > > Page: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/12/default-roles.html > Description: > > The title is wrong. The roles are not defaults; they are predefined and

Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles

The following documentation comment has been logged on the website: Page: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/12/default-roles.html Description: The title is wrong. The roles are not defaults; they are predefined and privileged. The title suggests that a user should expect to be assigned these