Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

I would like to remind everyone that a) we are all friends, and b) we don't need to reply to everything. Now for some humour https://xkcd.com/386/ "someone is wrong on the internet" Tail of Banana talk, just before Get me off your ... very strong language https://youtu.be/eC9rmsI7dnw?t=1m32s (I

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

Geoff Winkless writes: > On 22 November 2017 at 14:19, Vick Khera wrote: >> This sounds to me like you're going to run afoul of CAN-SPAM unsubscribe >> rules. You should re-think this workflow. > CAN-SPAM only applies to commercial email, "the primary

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

Vick, * Vick Khera (vi...@khera.org) wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Stephen Frost wrote: > > * Mike Sofen (mso...@runbox.com) wrote: > > > Confirmed, I did not get a reset email either. Also, I had subscribed > > to the digest version and now I get individual

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

On 22 November 2017 at 14:19, Vick Khera wrote: > > This sounds to me like you're going to run afoul of CAN-SPAM unsubscribe > rules. You should re-think this workflow. CAN-SPAM only applies to commercial email, "the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Stephen Frost wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > * Mike Sofen (mso...@runbox.com) wrote: > > Confirmed, I did not get a reset email either. Also, I had subscribed > to the digest version and now I get individual emails - which is why I > needed

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

Greetings everyone, * Mike Sofen (mso...@runbox.com) wrote: > Confirmed, I did not get a reset email either. Also, I had subscribed to the > digest version and now I get individual emails - which is why I needed to > login, but my password no longer worked. Sigh. Mike I've replied to Mike

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

The password reset form does not work. I do not get any reset emails when entering mine, so I can’t unsubscribe. > Den 22. nov. 2017 kl. 04.24 skrev Stephen Frost : > > Igor, > > * Igor Korot (ikoro...@gmail.com) wrote: >> Can anyone explain why? >> Why not do what other ML

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

Hi, On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Jerry Regan wrote: > I kind of agree with both. Personally, my strengths are data communication. > Databases are frequent end points. Mailing lists? Have never had a need to > work with them, so they’re in the,

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:46:42AM -0800, John R Pierce wrote: > On 11/21/2017 11:42 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > I am not sure if that is sarcasm but I think the reason is pretty self > > explanatory. -Hackers have all the people that understand how all this > > works, -general has all the

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

John R Pierce writes: > On 11/21/2017 11:42 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> I am not sure if that is sarcasm but I think the reason is pretty self >> explanatory. -Hackers have all the people that understand how all this >> works, -general has all the people that don't. >

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

On 11/21/2017 11:42 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: I am not sure if that is sarcasm but I think the reason is pretty self explanatory. -Hackers have all the people that understand how all this works, -general has all the people that don't. rotfl, and ain't that the truth. -- john r pierce,

Re: migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

Greetings, * David G. Johnston (david.g.johns...@gmail.com) wrote: > What would help the majority of readers is if a rule could be added that > keys off of the word "unsubscribe" (and maybe some other key phrases) and > dumps it into a non-public moderation queue where requests can be handled >

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> On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 02:46:08PM -0800, Steve Atkins wrote: >> That's poor practice, for several reasons - replay attacks with added content >> and it being an extremely rare practice that's likely to trigger

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 11/21/2017 10:39 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 02:46:08PM -0800, Steve Atkins wrote: That's poor practice, for several reasons - replay attacks with added content and it being an extremely rare practice that's likely to trigger bugs in DKIM validation are two. The latter

migrations (was Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe)

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 08:40:08PM +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote: > > Which is why the extra email was sent *after* the migration, to make sure > it would be the first one *not* hitting peoples filters, and thus have a > chance of being read even if the others weren't. That surely didn't work,

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On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Vick Khera writes: > > Did the list software change? All my messages from here are not being > properly auto-files by the filter I have set up. > > Yes - did you not see either of the "migration to pglister"

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 21/11/17 09:20, Magnus Hagander wrote: On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Joshua D. Drake > wrote: On 11/20/2017 12:03 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Unfortunately, the removal of the footer is a feature not a bug. In order to

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> On Nov 20, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Piotr Stefaniak > wrote: > > On 2017-11-20 21:03, Tom Lane wrote: >> "Joshua D. Drake" writes: >>> On 11/20/2017 11:40 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: >>> One thing I would note is that there is no longer a footer

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 2017-11-20 21:03, Tom Lane wrote: > "Joshua D. Drake" writes: >> On 11/20/2017 11:40 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: >> One thing I would note is that there is no longer a footer that >> tells people what to do if they want to unsubscribe. Perhaps one >> thing that could be

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

Greetings, * Tom Lane (t...@sss.pgh.pa.us) wrote: > In principle, the List-Unsubscribe: headers that are now included in > mailing list headers allow MUAs to offer convenient unsubscribe > buttons. Not sure how many of the people who are complaining use > mail agents that don't handle that.

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Magnus Hagander wrote: > So do you have any suggestions for actually fixing that? Given that we have > more lists to migrate, if you can figure out a way to make those changes > without peoples filters not matching, we'd be happy to hear it.. I guess it's a bit late at this point, but in

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:58 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 11/20/2017 12:49 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > >> Sigh, not surprised about gmail, its amazing how many .com's and .org's >> use it now. I'm not at ALL a fan of how the web client handles a bunch of >> stuff like

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Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: > I've been affected also, in a minor way, because I used to receive digest  2 > or 3 times a day, and now I'm receiving every e-mail again. > This is, at least, annoying. > would be better to keep the user options when migrating from one software to >

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On 11/20/2017 12:49 PM, John R Pierce wrote: Sigh, not surprised about gmail, its amazing how many .com's and .org's use it now.  I'm not at ALL a fan of how the web client handles a bunch of stuff like replies, & hiding your own messages from yourself. oh and my biggest gripe, gmail seems

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 11/20/2017 12:20 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote: On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Joshua D. Drake > wrote: Not even remotely. People use gmail. See https://blog.hagander.net/mail-agents-in-the-postgresql-community-233/

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

Em 20/11/2017 18:07, Joshua D. Drake escreveu: On 11/20/2017 12:03 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Unfortunately, the removal of the footer is a feature not a bug. In order to be DKIM-compatible and thus help avoid becoming classified as spammers, we can't mangle message content anymore, just like we can't

RE: To all who wish to unsubscribe

hera [mailto:vi...@khera.org] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 10:58 AM To: pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org Subject: Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe Did the list software change? All my messages from here are not being properly auto-files by the filter I have set up. On Nov 20, 2017, at 13:48

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Magnus Hagander writes: > > Right. This is why you can send an emtil to say > > pgsql-general-unsubscr...@lists.postgresql.org to unsubscribe. > > Oh? First I've heard of that, and I do not see it

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On 11/20/2017 12:03 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > >> Unfortunately, the removal of the footer is a feature not a bug. >> In order to be DKIM-compatible and thus help avoid becoming classified >> as spammers, we can't

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 11/20/2017 12:07 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: I use Thunderbird which I imagine most people on the lists are using. I can't find where these would work to unsubscribe. In Thunderbird, ctrl-U shows the full headers, but the List-Unsubscribe links are NOT shown as hotlinks, so you have to

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 11/20/2017 11:44 AM, Mengxuan Xia wrote: A common feature in modern Email client is to allow users to unsubscribe in one line. This works by sending a email titled "unsubscribe" to the listserv, which most listserv these days are able to understand and unsubscribe the user. thats a

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 11/20/2017 11:45 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Perhaps one thing that could be done is a header (for a temporary time period) that says: The mailing list software of Postgresql.org has changed. Please see this page on instructions on how to manage your subscription and filters. vast

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 11/20/2017 12:03 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Unfortunately, the removal of the footer is a feature not a bug. In order to be DKIM-compatible and thus help avoid becoming classified as spammers, we can't mangle message content anymore, just like we can't mangle the Subject: line. Ugh, o.k. In

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

"Joshua D. Drake" writes: > On 11/20/2017 11:40 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: > One thing I would note is that there is no longer a footer > that tells people what to do if they want to unsubscribe. Perhaps one > thing that could be done is a header (for a temporary time

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 11/20/2017 11:45 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: So do you have any suggestions for actually fixing that? Given that we have more lists to migrate, if you can figure out a way to make those changes without peoples filters not matching, we'd be happy to hear it.. I was thinking about that. I

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 11/20/2017 11:40 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PGLister_Announce Those looking to unsubscribe should also read that page.  Sending "unsubscribe" messages to the list will not

RE: To all who wish to unsubscribe

ilto:haram...@gmail.com] Sent: November 20, 2017 2:41 PM To: Tom Lane <t...@sss.pgh.pa.us> Cc: Vick Khera <vi...@khera.org>; pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org Subject: Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe > On 20 Nov 2017, at 20:11, Tom Lane <t...@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: &g

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

On 11/20/2017 11:11 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Vick Khera writes: Did the list software change? All my messages from here are not being properly auto-files by the filter I have set up. Yes - did you not see either of the "migration to pglister" messages? There's a summary of the

Re: To all who wish to unsubscribe

Vick Khera writes: > Did the list software change? All my messages from here are not being > properly auto-files by the filter I have set up. Yes - did you not see either of the "migration to pglister" messages? There's a summary of the changes at