Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The UDP would be aimed at the news server(s) at which the mailing list
is being improperly gated. It is their responsibility to reject
improper traffic. As these same servers would also likely carry the
group in question, I
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Stanley) wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Obviously there is nothing wrong with it. As I seem to recall, one of
the admins who (routinely?) created bogus groups is now part of the NAN
moderating team.
Who would that be?
--
Bill
---(end of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
That's his perogative. His server, his rules (or whoever's he set the
groups up on). We don't have the right to dictate what groups he puts
on his news server. If someone else decides to take a feed from him
and allow the group on their
Woodchuck Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The UDP would be aimed at the news server(s) at which the mailing list
is being improperly gated. It is their responsibility to reject
improper traffic. As these same servers would also
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Who's being abused here? Russ Co.? By their own admission, no.
The Big-8? No, the groups don't exist in the Big-8? The existing
readers? No, they can read the group. The rest of the world? No
more so than those that don't have groups
On 9 Nov 2004 20:36:47 GMT, Woodchuck Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, so you think it is acceptable for anyone to create as many Big-8 rogue
groups as they like? Some servers will carry the groups, others will not.
There should be no accountability for someone doing this. There is
Woodchuck Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
OK, so you think it is acceptable for anyone to create as many Big-8
rogue groups as they like? Some servers will carry the groups, others
will not. There should be no accountability for someone doing this.
There is nothing
Woodchuck Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If the NAN team announces a reversal of the rec.woodworking.all-ages
result in the next few days, would you have any problem with the
proponents sending out a control message anyway?
The proponents are entirely welcome to do so, so long as they send it
Woodchuck Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
That's his perogative. His server, his rules (or whoever's he set the
groups up on). We don't have the right to dictate what groups he puts
on his news server. If someone else decides to take a feed
Arthur L. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL
PROTECTED]...
Rebecca Ore wrote:
Since they have traffic and are bidirectional, and since he doesn't have
any objections, it looks like creating the groups by fiat would work
just fine and avoid a lot of misinformed but we
Joseph Daniel Zukiger wrote:
Arthur L. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL
PROTECTED]...
Rebecca Ore wrote:
Since they have traffic and are bidirectional, and since he doesn't have
any objections, it looks like creating the groups by fiat would work
just fine and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
The lists are not bogus and your suggestion is not acceptable. Many of
the list subscribers have no connection to Usenet. They will be mailed
the ballots, regardless of what you or anyone else say. They are the
people who will be
Joseph Daniel Zukiger wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
The lists are not bogus and your suggestion is not acceptable. Many of
the list subscribers have no connection to Usenet. They will be mailed
the ballots, regardless of what you or anyone else say. They
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Eckermann) wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
--- Gary L. Burnore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please. We're trying to help you fix something
that's broken.
??? As a longstanding reader of the pgsql-
mailinglists, (including via news.postgresql.org on
occasion), all I
Jeff Eckermann wrote:
The problem that is being solved is, as presented so
far, too abstract to be convincing, at least for me.
If you say so. The problem that Mark (Marc?) is trying to solve is that his
ISP doesn't give access to this newsgroup because it is NOT in the Big-8.
The solution
Hi Kevin,
I'm probably a bit more concerned about this than you are... I don't
want to have to post anonymously just to protect my email address...
That is precisely why I stopped using Usenet about 5 years ago - it just
got overwhelming...
I hope the owner of this list considers this issue
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 01:23:08 -0700,
Net Virtual Mailing Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kevin,
I'm probably a bit more concerned about this than you are... I don't
want to have to post anonymously just to protect my email address...
The lists are already publically archived and
--- William Yu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
??? As a longstanding reader of the pgsql-
mailinglists, (including via news.postgresql.org
on
occasion), all I see is some outsiders trying to
help
us fix a problem that does not exist. And yes,
I
have read most of the messages that have
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Net Virtual Mailing Lists wrote:
Hi Kevin,
I'm probably a bit more concerned about this than you are... I don't
want to have to post anonymously just to protect my email address...
That is precisely why I stopped using Usenet about 5 years ago - it just
got overwhelming...
I
A few more points --
I'm probably a bit more concerned about this than you are... I don't
want to have to post anonymously just to protect my email address...
That is precisely why I stopped using Usenet about 5 years ago - it just
got overwhelming...
Just out of curiousity, does your mail
--- Gary L. Burnore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9 Nov 2004 15:51:24 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a very unfair limitation.
Stop top posting.
If there is a ballot, it should be posted to each
of the individual mailing lists.
That's not how it works.
When/if a ballot
Jeff Eckermann wrote:
??? As a longstanding reader of the pgsql-
mailinglists, (including via news.postgresql.org on
occasion), all I see is some outsiders trying to help
us fix a problem that does not exist. And yes, I
have read most of the messages that have passed by in
these threads.
Perhaps in parallel with the Usenet community voting whether they want
to receive posts from the mailing lists, we can have the mailing list
subscribers vote on whether they want to receive messages from the
Usenet or want to have their messages forwarded to the Usenet. That
might be
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Mike Nolan wrote:
Perhaps in parallel with the Usenet community voting whether they want
to receive posts from the mailing lists, we can have the mailing list
subscribers vote on whether they want to receive messages from the
Usenet or want to have their messages forwarded to
??? As a longstanding reader of the pgsql-
mailinglists, (including via news.postgresql.org on
occasion), all I see is some outsiders trying to help
us fix a problem that does not exist. And yes, I
have read most of the messages that have passed by in
these threads. After all that, I still
Yeah.. I'm with you.. I don't really know what all of this is about - I
like the way the Postgres mailing list works as it is Are any of the
changes being discussed here going to change the content or how we
receive the mailing lists?..
.. The only change I've noticed is that in all the time
Currently the mailing list is also hosted in a newsgroup at
new.postgresql.org. The news group is not Official so it is not
carried by all news servers. There are some users who can not
participate in a mailing list comfortably for one reason or another.
Some of these individuals would like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Net Virtual Mailing Lists) wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yeah.. I'm with you.. I don't really know what all of this is about - I
like the way the Postgres mailing list works as it is Are any of the
changes being discussed here going to change the content or how we
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The lists are not bogus and your suggestion is not acceptable. Many of
the list subscribers have no connection to Usenet. They will be mailed
the ballots, regardless of what you or anyone else say. They are the
people who will be directly affected by this.
You
Joseph Daniel Zukiger wrote:
It looks like I'm may have to finally subscribe through my isp and
learn how to configure a newsreader in order to vote in favor, instead
of posting through google all the time. That should speed my access to
usenet up quite a bit. Oh, well.
JouDanZuki
You
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