Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-28 Thread Jack Orenstein
I used to do Oracle development and could choose between PLSQL and the java alternative. I chose PLSQL because java offerred no clear advantage, and it wasn't really java. You could use String, but for performance Oracle recommended some proprietary string class. If I'm remembering correctly,

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Marek Lewczuk
Guy Rouillier pisze: Nothing productive will come of a language debate; let's just say there are things you can do with a complete programming language at your disposal that you can't do with PL/pgsql. I use Java in the database, Exactly - sometimes we need to write something more complicated

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Marek Lewczuk
Dave Page pisze: Joshua D. Drake wrote: Now this I agree with. I am sure postgresql hackers are happy to help the pljava team get things where they need to be, but -hackers needs to be focusing on releasing 8.3. pl/java is actually one of the problems that pgInstaller is currently facing. In

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Marek Lewczuk
Thomas Kellerer pisze: Marek Lewczuk wrote on 23.05.2007 21:37: I would like to know your opinion about pljava and its future I have never used Java-in-the-database with any of the DBMS I have used and I have never understood the reasoning behind it. My personal opinion is, that it's not

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Thomas Hallgren
Hi, This sounds great. Sorry for not being responsive on the pgsql-general. I'll read up on this thread during the weekend. Short term, this is what I think needs to be done: 1. Create a PL/Java 1.4 from current CVS. It compiles and runs with PostgreSQL 8.2. 2. Do whatever it takes to make

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Marek Lewczuk
Thomas Hallgren pisze: Hi, This sounds great. Sorry for not being responsive on the pgsql-general. I'll read up on this thread during the weekend. Short term, this is what I think needs to be done: 1. Create a PL/Java 1.4 from current CVS. It compiles and runs with PostgreSQL 8.2. 2. Do

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Magnus Hagander
Marek Lewczuk wrote: I understand that most of PostgreSQL core team aren't fans of Java, however ignoring this language (most popular programing language) and developers that uses Java in everyday work is not advisable if we want to make PostgreSQL more popular. Look at competing RDBMS -

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Marek Lewczuk
Magnus Hagander pisze: Being a fan or not of the language really isn't the issue, and nobody is *ignoring* the language and platform. We all know the others have it. And we want it. But the core team (or more importantly in this case, the people doing backend development, which is partially a

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Magnus Hagander
Marek Lewczuk wrote: Magnus Hagander pisze: Being a fan or not of the language really isn't the issue, and nobody is *ignoring* the language and platform. We all know the others have it. And we want it. But the core team (or more importantly in this case, the people doing backend development,

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Marek Lewczuk
Magnus Hagander pisze: C and the backend you can certainly get help with from the -hackers crowd. You'll have a harder time with the JNI stuff, I assume. Great to hear that - what we need to do now is to sit down (I mean Thomas Hallgren and others) on the pljava code and see where help is

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Guy Rouillier
Thomas Hallgren wrote: Hi, This sounds great. Sorry for not being responsive on the pgsql-general. I'll read up on this thread during the weekend. Short term, this is what I think needs to be done: 1. Create a PL/Java 1.4 from current CVS. It compiles and runs with PostgreSQL 8.2. 2. Do

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-24 Thread Andrej Ricnik-Bay
On 5/25/07, Marek Lewczuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point, but from the other hand there are plenty of programing languages but Java is the most popular :-) (source: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm). Guess it depends on what survey you read ... there java is also ran ...

[GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-23 Thread Marek Lewczuk
Hello everyone, I would like to start very important (from my point of view) topic - the future of pljava in PostgreSQL development. Thomas Hallgren (creator of pljava) has made a great job setting up the project, but there are many things to do (e.g. preparing pljava for PostgreSQL 8.3) in

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-23 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Lewczuk) writes: Hello everyone, I would like to start very important (from my point of view) topic - the future of pljava in PostgreSQL development. Thomas Hallgren (creator of pljava) has made a great job setting up the project, but there are many things to do (e.g.

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Chris Browne wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Lewczuk) writes: At this point in time, a much more important feature of PostgreSQL would be for version 8.3 to be released. That process is running into *some* problems vis-a-vis the review process. The last that I heard, it was somewhat

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-23 Thread Thomas Kellerer
Marek Lewczuk wrote on 23.05.2007 21:37: I would like to know your opinion about pljava and its future I have never used Java-in-the-database with any of the DBMS I have used and I have never understood the reasoning behind it. My personal opinion is, that it's not needed. Most of the time

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-23 Thread Guy Rouillier
Joshua D. Drake wrote: We have limited time; taking time from other things to spend on pljava is quite likely not to be a wonderful idea. It requires that people whose expertise *isn't* Java spend a lot of time learning Java details. Now this I agree with. I am sure postgresql hackers are

Re: [GENERAL] the future of pljava development

2007-05-23 Thread Dave Page
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Now this I agree with. I am sure postgresql hackers are happy to help the pljava team get things where they need to be, but -hackers needs to be focusing on releasing 8.3. pl/java is actually one of the problems that pgInstaller is currently facing. In a nutshell, if we