Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-23 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/23/24 8:00 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Looks good. Some minor changes: Thanks for this - right at the deadline! :D ### Query and Operational Performance Improvements PostgreSQL 17 builds on recent releases and continues to improve performance across the entire system. [Vacuum](https://

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-23 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Looks good. Some minor changes: On 2024-May-22, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > ### Query and Operational Performance Improvements > > PostgreSQL 17 builds on recent releases and continues to improve performance > across the entire system. > [Vacuum](https://www.postgresql.org/docs/17/routine-vacuu

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-22 Thread Bertrand Drouvot
Hi, On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 07:01:54PM -0400, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > Thanks. As such I made it: > > "which provides descriptions about wait events and can be combined with > `pg_stat_activity` to give more insight into why an active session is > waiting." > Thanks! Works for me. Regards, -

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-22 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/19/24 5:34 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: On 5/15/24 9:45 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Hi, Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft. This contains a user-facing summary of some of the features that will be available in the Beta, as well as a call to test

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-22 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/21/24 6:40 AM, John Naylor wrote: On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 8:41 PM Masahiko Sawada wrote: On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 8:47 PM Jonathan S. Katz wrote: On 5/20/24 2:58 AM, John Naylor wrote: Hi Jon, Regarding vacuum "has shown up to a 6x improvement in overall time to complete its work" --

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-22 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/20/24 6:08 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: On 2024-May-19, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: ### Query and Operational Performance Improvements In this section I'd add mention the new GUCs to control SLRU memory size, which is going to be a huge performance boon for cases where the current fixed-size bu

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-22 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/19/24 6:15 PM, Erik Rijkers wrote: Op 5/19/24 om 23:34 schreef Jonathan S. Katz: On 5/15/24 9:45 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Hi, Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement 'This release introduces adds an interface'  should be: 'This release adds an interface'

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-22 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/20/24 5:34 AM, Bertrand Drouvot wrote: Hi, On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 05:10:10PM -0400, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: On 5/16/24 1:15 AM, Bertrand Drouvot wrote: Hi, On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 09:45:35PM -0400, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Hi, Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-21 Thread John Naylor
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 8:41 PM Masahiko Sawada wrote: > > On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 8:47 PM Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > > > > On 5/20/24 2:58 AM, John Naylor wrote: > > > Hi Jon, > > > > > > Regarding vacuum "has shown up to a 6x improvement in overall time to > > > complete its work" -- I believe I

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/20/24 6:32 AM, David Rowley wrote: On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 22:11, Alvaro Herrera wrote: On 2024-May-16, David Rowley wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 17:37, zaidagilist wrote: I am trying to open the 17 docs but it looks removed. Getting following message "Page not found" https://www.pos

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/20/24 8:31 AM, jian he wrote: release note (https://momjian.us/pgsql_docs/release-17.html) is "Add jsonpath methods to convert JSON values to other JSON data types (Jeevan Chalke)" Additionally, PostgreSQL 17 adds more functionality to its `jsonpath` implementation, including the abilit

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread Masahiko Sawada
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 8:47 PM Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > > On 5/20/24 2:58 AM, John Naylor wrote: > > Hi Jon, > > > > Regarding vacuum "has shown up to a 6x improvement in overall time to > > complete its work" -- I believe I've seen reported numbers close to > > that only 1) when measuring the i

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread jian he
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 5:35 AM Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > > On 5/15/24 9:45 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement > > draft. This contains a user-facing summary of some of the features that >

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/20/24 2:58 AM, John Naylor wrote: Hi Jon, Regarding vacuum "has shown up to a 6x improvement in overall time to complete its work" -- I believe I've seen reported numbers close to that only 1) when measuring the index phase in isolation or maybe 2) the entire vacuum of unlogged tables with

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/19/24 7:24 PM, David Rowley wrote: On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 09:35, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Thanks for all the feedback to date. Please see the next revision. Again, please provide feedback no later than 2024-05-22 18:00 UTC. Thanks for the updates. [`COPY`](https://www.postgresql.org/doc

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread David Rowley
On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 23:16, Thom Brown wrote: > > On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 00:24, David Rowley wrote: >> >> On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 09:35, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: >> > Thanks for all the feedback to date. Please see the next revision. >> > Again, please provide feedback no later than 2024-05-22 1

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread Thom Brown
On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 00:24, David Rowley wrote: > On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 09:35, Jonathan S. Katz > wrote: > > Thanks for all the feedback to date. Please see the next revision. > > Again, please provide feedback no later than 2024-05-22 18:00 UTC. > > Thanks for the updates. > > > [`COPY`](htt

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread David Rowley
On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 22:11, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > On 2024-May-16, David Rowley wrote: > > > On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 17:37, zaidagilist wrote: > > > I am trying to open the 17 docs but it looks removed. Getting > > > following message "Page not found" > > > > > > https://www.postgresql.org/do

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On 2024-May-16, David Rowley wrote: > On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 17:37, zaidagilist wrote: > > I am trying to open the 17 docs but it looks removed. Getting > > following message "Page not found" > > > > https://www.postgresql.org/docs/17/ > > It's called "devel" for "development" until we branch so

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On 2024-May-19, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > ### Query and Operational Performance Improvements In this section I'd add mention the new GUCs to control SLRU memory size, which is going to be a huge performance boon for cases where the current fixed-size buffers cause bottlenecks. Perhaps something

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-20 Thread Bertrand Drouvot
Hi, On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 05:10:10PM -0400, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > On 5/16/24 1:15 AM, Bertrand Drouvot wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 09:45:35PM -0400, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Attached is a copy of the

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-19 Thread John Naylor
Hi Jon, Regarding vacuum "has shown up to a 6x improvement in overall time to complete its work" -- I believe I've seen reported numbers close to that only 1) when measuring the index phase in isolation or maybe 2) the entire vacuum of unlogged tables with one, perfectly-correlated index (testing

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-19 Thread David Rowley
On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 09:35, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > Thanks for all the feedback to date. Please see the next revision. > Again, please provide feedback no later than 2024-05-22 18:00 UTC. Thanks for the updates. > [`COPY`](https://www.postgresql.org/docs/17/sql-copy.html) is used to > effic

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-19 Thread Erik Rijkers
Op 5/19/24 om 23:34 schreef Jonathan S. Katz: On 5/15/24 9:45 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Hi, Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement 'This release introduces adds an interface' should be: 'This release adds an interface' (or 'introduces'; just not both...) T

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-19 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/15/24 9:45 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Hi, Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft. This contains a user-facing summary of some of the features that will be available in the Beta, as well as a call to test. I've made an effort to group them logi

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-19 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/16/24 8:05 AM, Joe Conway wrote: On 5/15/24 21:45, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Please provide feedback no later than Wed 2024-05-22 18:00 UTC. As the beta release takes some extra effort, I want to ensure all changes are in with time to spare before release day. "You can find information abou

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-19 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/16/24 6:41 AM, Jelte Fennema-Nio wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 03:45, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft. I think we can quickly mention c4ab7da6061 in the COPY paragraph, in some benchmarks it improved perf by close to 2x

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-19 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/16/24 1:15 AM, Bertrand Drouvot wrote: Hi, On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 09:45:35PM -0400, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Hi, Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft. Thanks for working on it! I've one comment: PostgreSQL 17 also introduces a new

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-19 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/16/24 1:10 AM, Thom Brown wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2024, 02:45 Jonathan S. Katz <mailto:jk...@postgresql.org>> wrote: Hi, Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft. This contains a user-facing summary of some of the features that

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-19 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
On 5/15/24 10:42 PM, David Rowley wrote: Thanks for writing that up. It's always exciting to see this each year. On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 13:45, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: * Please indicate if you believe there's a notable omission, or if we should omit any of these callouts I'd say the streaming

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-16 Thread Joe Conway
On 5/16/24 08:05, Joe Conway wrote: On 5/15/24 21:45, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Please provide feedback no later than Wed 2024-05-22 18:00 UTC. As the beta release takes some extra effort, I want to ensure all changes are in with time to spare before release day. "`EXPLAIN` can now show how much

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-16 Thread Joe Conway
On 5/15/24 21:45, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: Please provide feedback no later than Wed 2024-05-22 18:00 UTC. As the beta release takes some extra effort, I want to ensure all changes are in with time to spare before release day. "You can find information about all of the features and changes found

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-16 Thread Jelte Fennema-Nio
On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 03:45, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement > draft. I think we can quickly mention c4ab7da6061 in the COPY paragraph, in some benchmarks it improved perf by close to 2x. Something like this: "h

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-15 Thread David Rowley
On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 17:37, zaidagilist wrote: > I am trying to open the 17 docs but it looks removed. Getting > following message "Page not found" > > https://www.postgresql.org/docs/17/ It's called "devel" for "development" until we branch sometime before July: https://www.postgresql.org/doc

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-15 Thread Thom Brown
On Thu, May 16, 2024, 06:37 zaidagilist wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to open the 17 docs but it looks removed. Getting > following message "Page not found" > > https://www.postgresql.org/docs/17/ > > > Regards, > Zaid Shabbir > That link isn't set up yet, but will be (or should be) when the a

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-15 Thread zaidagilist
0400, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft. > > Thanks for working on it! > > I've one comment: > > > PostgreSQL 17 also introduces a new view, > > [`pg_wait_events`](

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-15 Thread Bertrand Drouvot
Hi, On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 09:45:35PM -0400, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > Hi, > > Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft. Thanks for working on it! I've one comment: > PostgreSQL 17 also introduces a new view, > [`pg_wait_events`](https:

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-15 Thread Thom Brown
On Thu, May 16, 2024, 02:45 Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > Hi, > > Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement > draft. This contains a user-facing summary of some of the features that > will be available in the Beta, as well as a call to test. I've made

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-15 Thread Kashif Zeeshan
Hi Jonathan Did the review and did not find any issues. Regards Kashif Zeeshan Bitnine Global On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 6:45 AM Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > Hi, > > Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement > draft. This contains a user-facing summary of

Re: PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-15 Thread David Rowley
Thanks for writing that up. It's always exciting to see this each year. On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 13:45, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > * Please indicate if you believe there's a notable omission, or if we > should omit any of these callouts I'd say the streaming read stuff added in b5a9b18cd and subseq

PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft

2024-05-15 Thread Jonathan S. Katz
Hi, Attached is a copy of the PostgreSQL 17 Beta 1 release announcement draft. This contains a user-facing summary of some of the features that will be available in the Beta, as well as a call to test. I've made an effort to group them logically around the different workflows they affect