Re: [HACKERS] 7.1 startup recovery failure

2001-04-30 Thread Rod Taylor
Corrupted or not, after a crash take a snapshot of the data tree before firing it back up again. Doesn't take that much time (especially with a netapp filer) and it allows for a virtually unlimited number of attempts to solve the trouble or debug. -- Rod Taylor BarChord Entertainment Inc.

Re: [HACKERS] 7.1 startup recovery failure

2001-04-30 Thread Hiroshi Inoue
Vadim Mikheev wrote: > > > There's a report of startup recovery failure in Japan. > > Redo done but ... > > Unfortunately I have no time today. > > Please ask to start up with wal_debug = 1... > Isn't it very difficult for dbas to leave the corrupted database as it is ? ISTM we could hardly exp

Re: [HACKERS] v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...

2001-04-30 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Tom Lane wrote: > The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Does anyone have any outstanding fixes for v7.1.x that they want to see in > > *before* we do this release? Any points unresolved that anyone knows > > about that we need to look at? > > FWIW, I've finished

Re: [HACKERS] COPY commands could use an enhancement.

2001-04-30 Thread Tom Lane
Philip Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do you have a alternate suggestion as to how to solve the problems it has > backing up the regression DB? One possibility is to fix ALTER TABLE ADD COLUMN to maintain the same column ordering in parents and children. COPY with specified columns may in

[HACKERS] Re: date conversion (was Re: Re: v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...)

2001-04-30 Thread Thomas Lockhart
> I dug through the conversions involved (basically date_in and date_out). > AFAICS the only place where timezone could possibly get involved is that > DecodeDateTime attempts to derive a timezone for the given date/time. > It does this by calling mktime() (line 878 in datetime.c in current > sour

Re: [HACKERS] COPY commands could use an enhancement.

2001-04-30 Thread Philip Warner
At 11:36 30/04/01 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > >COPY is designed as a simple, fast, reliable, >low-overhead data transfer mechanism for backup and restore. The more >warts we add to it, the less well it will serve that purpose. > Do you have a alternate suggestion as to how to solve the problems it

date conversion (was Re: [HACKERS] Re: v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...)

2001-04-30 Thread Tom Lane
Thomas Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Thomas, what do you think of the persistent reports of date conversion >> problems at DST boundaries, eg, Ayal Leibowitz's report today in >> pgsql-bugs? I cannot reproduce any such problem --- and my local >> timezone database claims that MET DST tr

Re: [HACKERS] Bug in ODBC driver

2001-04-30 Thread Hiroshi Inoue
Jan Wieck wrote: > > Guys, > > while analyzing some stuff I came across something that looks > like a bug in the ODBC driver to me. I'm by far not the ODBC > user I should be to fix it, so could someone else please take > another look? > > The symptom is when the driver is i

Re: [HACKERS] v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...

2001-04-30 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> We do have that not-quite-done QNX4 port patch in hand. Perhaps we >> should give Bernd another day to respond to the comments on that and >> squeeze it into 7.1.1. > There will surely be a 7.1.2. I vote against waiting for it. Possibly, but one hop

Re: [HACKERS] v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...

2001-04-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
> The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Does anyone have any outstanding fixes for v7.1.x that they want to see in > > *before* we do this release? Any points unresolved that anyone knows > > about that we need to look at? > > FWIW, I've finished committing all the bug fixes I have p

Re: [HACKERS] v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...

2001-04-30 Thread Tom Lane
The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Does anyone have any outstanding fixes for v7.1.x that they want to see in > *before* we do this release? Any points unresolved that anyone knows > about that we need to look at? FWIW, I've finished committing all the bug fixes I have pending. The

[HACKERS] Re: COPY commands could use an enhancement.

2001-04-30 Thread Joel Burton
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Tom Lane wrote: > I think it'd be better to put effort into an external data translation > utility that can deal with column selection, data reformatting, CR/LF > conversion, and all those other silly little issues that come up when > you need to move data from one DBMS to an

Re: [HACKERS] PQftype()

2001-04-30 Thread Tom Lane
"Magnus Naeslund\(f\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Where do get a listing of what PQftype() can return to me? >> >> select oid, typname from pg_type > Does these change often? The system type OIDs are stable. User-defined types would probably have a new OID after a dump and reload. > Or cou

Re: [HACKERS] PQftype()

2001-04-30 Thread Magnus Naeslund\(f\)
From: "Tom Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [snip] > > The system type OIDs are stable. User-defined types would probably have > a new OID after a dump and reload. > > > Or could i do like the ODBC driver, autogenerate a .h out of that table. > > I would not recommend relying on compiled-in OID knowledg

Re: [HACKERS] PQftype()

2001-04-30 Thread Magnus Naeslund\(f\)
From: "Tom Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Magnus Naeslund\(f\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Where do get a listing of what PQftype() can return to me? > > select oid, typname from pg_type > > regards, tom lane Does these change often? Or could i do like the ODBC driver, autogenerate a .h out

[HACKERS] Re: v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...

2001-04-30 Thread Thomas Lockhart
> Hehe, match the docs? The docs used to be perfectly accurate until you > changed them. ;) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html

Re: [HACKERS] Re: v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...

2001-04-30 Thread Thomas Lockhart
> Thomas, what do you think of the persistent reports of date conversion > problems at DST boundaries, eg, Ayal Leibowitz's report today in > pgsql-bugs? I cannot reproduce any such problem --- and my local > timezone database claims that MET DST transitions are the last week of > March, never th

Re: [HACKERS] pg_dump Backup on 7.0.3 - Sanity error?

2001-04-30 Thread G. Anthony Reina
Tom Lane wrote: > Most likely, you removed the user that owned ro_ellipse. Create a > user with the same usesysid shown as ro_ellipse's relowner, or else > change the relowner field to point at an extant user. > > I believe 7.1's pg_dump copes with this sort of thing more gracefully... > >

Re: [HACKERS] COPY commands could use an enhancement.

2001-04-30 Thread Fernando Nasser
Karen saw me importing data into a database using pgaccess. Again, this could be useful to someone that it is not a "superuser". But only superusers can use pgaccess. What a shame :-( Fernando P.S.: pgaccess has a much more limited import facility - only text files and you can only change the

Re: [HACKERS] COPY commands could use an enhancement.

2001-04-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
> Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It would be very helpful if the COPY command could be expanded > > in order to provide positional parameters. > > I think it's a bad idea to try to expand COPY into a full-tilt data > import/conversion utility, which is the direction that this so

Re: [HACKERS] COPY commands could use an enhancement.

2001-04-30 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010430 08:37] wrote: > Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It would be very helpful if the COPY command could be expanded > > in order to provide positional parameters. > > I think it's a bad idea to try to expand COPY into a full-tilt data > import/co

Re: [HACKERS] Re: v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...

2001-04-30 Thread Tom Lane
Thomas Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Nothing serious, but I would like to apply a patch to allow IDENT > strings (e.g. 'hour') to be accepted by the SQL92 EXTRACT() function. We > accept those for date_part(), which is what EXTRACT() is translated to > by the parser, and it seems to be a

Re: [HACKERS] COPY commands could use an enhancement.

2001-04-30 Thread Tom Lane
Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It would be very helpful if the COPY command could be expanded > in order to provide positional parameters. I think it's a bad idea to try to expand COPY into a full-tilt data import/conversion utility, which is the direction that this sort of sugges

[HACKERS] Re: v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...

2001-04-30 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Thomas Lockhart writes: > > > Nothing serious, but I would like to apply a patch to allow IDENT > > > strings (e.g. 'hour') to be accepted by the SQL92 EXTRACT() function. We > > > accept those for date_part(), which is what EXTRACT() is translated to > > > by the parser, and it seems to be a rea

Re: [HACKERS] Thanks, naming conventions, and count()

2001-04-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
> It might be worth making a simple utility (could be based on Bryan > White's pg_check) to grovel through the raw pg_class bits and extract > relfilenode info the hard way. You'd only need it in certain disaster > scenarios, but when you did need it you'd need it bad. > > So far we have not see

Re: [HACKERS] Re: Any optimizations to the join code in 7.1?

2001-04-30 Thread Tom Lane
Thomas Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But it is possible, under many circumstances, for query optimization to > be a benefit for a many-table query. The docs indicate that explicit > join syntax bypasses that, even for inner joins, so you may find that > this syntax is a net loss in perfor

Re: [HACKERS] Thanks, naming conventions, and count()

2001-04-30 Thread Tom Lane
Vince Vielhaber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Oh, you did a direct postgres backend connect. Yes, that will work >> fine. Good idea if the postmaster is down. I originally thought you >> meant reading the pg_class file raw. Of course, that would be really >> hard because there is no way to kn

Re: [HACKERS] SAPDB Open Souce

2001-04-30 Thread Jan Wieck
Horst Herb wrote: > > I downloaded it. The directories are two characters in length, the > > files are numbers, and it is a mixture of C++, Python, and Pascal. Need > > I say more. :-) > > 1.) What is wrong with a mixture of C++, Python and Pascal? Nothing IMHO. > > 2.) The directory structure

[HACKERS] Re: v7.1.1 branched and released on Tuesday ...

2001-04-30 Thread Thomas Lockhart
> > Nothing serious, but I would like to apply a patch to allow IDENT > > strings (e.g. 'hour') to be accepted by the SQL92 EXTRACT() function. We > > accept those for date_part(), which is what EXTRACT() is translated to > > by the parser, and it seems to be a reasonable to the standard. > But wh

[HACKERS] Re: COPY commands could use an enhancement.

2001-04-30 Thread Joel Burton
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > Basically: > COPY "webmaster" FROM stdin; > > could become: > COPY "webmaster" FIELDS "id", "name", "ssn" FROM stdin; We'd need some way of making field name dumping optional, because one of the nice things about not having the field names appear i

[HACKERS] Bug in ODBC driver

2001-04-30 Thread Jan Wieck
Guys, while analyzing some stuff I came across something that looks like a bug in the ODBC driver to me. I'm by far not the ODBC user I should be to fix it, so could someone else please take another look? The symptom is when the driver is in AUTOCOMMIT=OFF, closing the

Re: [HACKERS] Learning from other open source databases

2001-04-30 Thread Ken Hirsch
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can see Interbase, MySQL, and SAP DB as being three database that > would be worth researching. I am willing to assist anyone who wants to > give it a try. I have all the sources here myself. I even have old > University Ingres, Mariposa, and Postgre

Re: [HACKERS] Thanks, naming conventions, and count()

2001-04-30 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > I think parsing the file contents is too hard. The database would have > > > to be running and I would use psql. > > > > I don't know, I recovered someone's database using a "raw" connection ... > > wasn't that difficult once I figured out the form

[HACKERS] COPY commands could use an enhancement.

2001-04-30 Thread Alfred Perlstein
It would be very helpful if the COPY command could be expanded in order to provide positional parameters. I noticed that it didn't a while back and it can really hurt someone when they happen to try to use pg_dump to move data from one database to another database and they happened to create the