Re: [HACKERS] PL/pgSQL Todo, better information in errcontext from plpgsql

2006-10-05 Thread Pavel Stehule
On Oct 5, 2006, at 9:30 AM, Pavel Stehule wrote: With func oid I can get all other info later, without it, I need estimate which functions are in stack track. Why do you need the OID to know exactly what function something is? What's wrong with schema.function(args)? -- oid is simply un

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Jim Nasby
On Oct 5, 2006, at 11:15 AM, Mark Woodward wrote: On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 11:56:43AM -0400, Mark Woodward wrote: The query was executed as: psql -p 5435 -U pgsql -t -A -c "select client, item, rating, day from ratings order by client" netflix > netflix.txt My question, it looks like the ker

Re: [HACKERS] timestamptz alias

2006-10-05 Thread Jim Nasby
On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Markus Schaber wrote: Andrew Dunstan wrote: It's not only about documenting the pure existence of the aliases (which was already documented in the table on the datatype TOC page), it's also about telling the user which of the names are the ones to avoid, and the

Re: [HACKERS] Pie-in-sky dreaming about reworking tuple layout entirely

2006-10-05 Thread Jim Nasby
On Oct 3, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Merlin Moncure wrote: On 10/3/06, Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't shake the feeling that merely tweaking the way our varlenas work with a shortvarlena or with compressed varlena headers is missing the real source of our headaches. It seems very str

Re: [HACKERS] Another idea for dealing with cmin/cmax

2006-10-05 Thread Jim Nasby
On Oct 3, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Gregory Stark wrote: If the space set aside for these transaction ids is full when you're inserting i suppose you could just go back to the FSM for another page. But I don't see any way out when you're deleting. You have to mark xmax one way or another and if ther

Re: [HACKERS] timetz storage vs timestamptz

2006-10-05 Thread Jim Nasby
On Oct 3, 2006, at 5:32 PM, Tom Lane wrote: "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Why is it timestamptz can store a date and time to 1 microsecond in 8 bytes but a timetz needs 12 to store just the time to 1 microsecond? It's tracking the timezone explicitly ... something that timestamptz

Re: [HACKERS] PL/pgSQL Todo, better information in errcontext from plpgsql

2006-10-05 Thread Jim Nasby
On Oct 5, 2006, at 9:30 AM, Pavel Stehule wrote: With func oid I can get all other info later, without it, I need estimate which functions are in stack track. Why do you need the OID to know exactly what function something is? What's wrong with schema.function(args)? -- Jim Nasby

Re: [HACKERS] timestamp subtraction (was Re: [SQL] formatting intervals with to_char)

2006-10-05 Thread Jim Nasby
On Oct 5, 2006, at 11:50 AM, Tom Lane wrote: regression=# select ('2006-09-15 23:59:00'::timestamp - '2006-09-01 09:30:41'::timestamp); ?column? -- 14 days 14:28:19 (1 row) should be reporting '350:28:19' instead. This is a hack that was done to minimize the changes in t

Re: [HACKERS] 8.2beta1 failure on IRIX

2006-10-05 Thread Steve Singer
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Tom Lane wrote: I've applied the patch and it seems to fix the problems. 8.2beta1 + the patch passes all of the regression tests on the IRIX box (accept the expected difference with the geometry test). I've applied the attached patch which merges ideas from your version

Re: [HACKERS] timestamp subtraction (was Re: [SQL] formatting intervals with to_char)

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
Michael Glaesemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Considering how late it is in the cycle, perhaps the change in > behavior should come in 8.3. Yeah, there's not really enough time to think through the consequences now. I'd like to experiment with it for 8.3 though. rega

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading a database dump/restore

2006-10-05 Thread Guido Barosio
Well, there is a TODO item ( somewhere only we know ...). Administration * Allow major upgrades without dump/reload, perhaps using pg_upgrade http://momjian.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/pgtodo?pg_upgrade pg_upgrade resists itself to be born, but that discussion seems to seed *certain* fundamentals

Re: [HACKERS] timestamp subtraction (was Re: [SQL] formatting intervals with to_char)

2006-10-05 Thread Michael Glaesemann
On Oct 6, 2006, at 1:50 , Tom Lane wrote: I'm tempted to propose that we remove the justify_hours call, and tell anyone who really wants the old results to apply justify_hours() to the subtraction result for themselves. Not sure what the fallout would be, though. I'm tempted to support

Re: [HACKERS] continuing daily testing of dbt2 against postgresql

2006-10-05 Thread markw
> Mark Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> After over a year of problems (old site >> http://developer.osdl.org/markw/postgrescvs/) I have resumed producing >> daily results of dbt-2 against PostgreSQL CVS code with results here: >> http://dbt.osdl.org/dbt2.html > > This is good to hear! I a

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2006-10-05 Thread Freddy Oersted Mun~oz Ramirez
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Re: [HACKERS] continuing daily testing of dbt2 against postgresql

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
Mark Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > After over a year of problems (old site > http://developer.osdl.org/markw/postgrescvs/) I have resumed producing > daily results of dbt-2 against PostgreSQL CVS code with results here: > http://dbt.osdl.org/dbt2.html This is good to hear! I am curi

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading a database dump/restore

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
"Mark Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Not to cause any arguments, but this is sort a standard discussion that > gets brought up periodically and I was wondering if there has been any > "softening" of the attitudes against an "in place" upgrade, or movement to > not having to dump and restor

Re: [HACKERS] pg_dump exclusion switches and functions/types

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
Kris Jurka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Testing out the new pg_dump exclusion switches I've found that excluding a > table means that no functions or types will be dumped. Excluding one > table shouldn't exclude these objects. I tend to agree ... will see if I can make it happen. (I never did

[HACKERS] pg_dump exclusion switches and functions/types

2006-10-05 Thread Kris Jurka
Testing out the new pg_dump exclusion switches I've found that excluding a table means that no functions or types will be dumped. Excluding one table shouldn't exclude these objects. My real use case for this functionality is that I have a database that has 99% of its space used by one big

Re: [HACKERS] broken dead code in pg_lzcompress.h

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
Jan Wieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's quite possible that there is a fair amount of dead code in there > because it was originally the header for the lztext datatype, which if > memory served only existed quietly in one release to support slightly > larger rewrite rules before it was re

Re: [HACKERS] broken dead code in pg_lzcompress.h

2006-10-05 Thread Jan Wieck
On 10/5/2006 5:04 PM, Tom Lane wrote: I came across the following obviously corrupt macro in pg_lzcompress.h: #define PGLZ_IS_COMPRESSED(_lzdata) ((_lzdata)->varsize != \ e

[HACKERS] broken dead code in pg_lzcompress.h

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
I came across the following obviously corrupt macro in pg_lzcompress.h: #define PGLZ_IS_COMPRESSED(_lzdata) ((_lzdata)->varsize != \ e (_lzdata)->rawsize + e

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading a database dump/restore

2006-10-05 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 04:39:22PM -0400, Mark Woodward wrote: > > > > Indeed. The main issue for me is that the dumping and replication > > setups require at least 2x the space of one db. That's 2x the > > hardware which equals 2x $$$. If there were some tool which modified > > the storage while p

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading a database dump/restore

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Woodward
> > Indeed. The main issue for me is that the dumping and replication > setups require at least 2x the space of one db. That's 2x the > hardware which equals 2x $$$. If there were some tool which modified > the storage while postgres is down, that would save lots of people > lots of money. Its tim

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading a database dump/restore

2006-10-05 Thread AgentM
On Oct 5, 2006, at 15:46 , Mark Woodward wrote: Not to cause any arguments, but this is sort a standard discussion that gets brought up periodically and I was wondering if there has been any "softening" of the attitudes against an "in place" upgrade, or movement to not having to dump and r

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading a database dump/restore

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Woodward
> Mark Woodward wrote: >> I am currently building a project that will have a huge number of >> records, >> 1/2tb of data. I can't see how I would ever be able to upgrade >> PostgreSQL >> on this system. >> >> > > Slony will help you upgrade (and downgrade, for that matter) with no > downtime at all

[HACKERS] continuing daily testing of dbt2 against postgresql

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Wong
Hi everyone, After over a year of problems (old site http://developer.osdl.org/markw/postgrescvs/) I have resumed producing daily results of dbt-2 against PostgreSQL CVS code with results here: http://dbt.osdl.org/dbt2.html The only really new thing is better described stats on the i

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading a database dump/restore

2006-10-05 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Mark Woodward wrote: I am currently building a project that will have a huge number of records, 1/2tb of data. I can't see how I would ever be able to upgrade PostgreSQL on this system. Slony will help you upgrade (and downgrade, for that matter) with no downtime at all, pretty much. Of co

[HACKERS] Upgrading a database dump/restore

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Woodward
Not to cause any arguments, but this is sort a standard discussion that gets brought up periodically and I was wondering if there has been any "softening" of the attitudes against an "in place" upgrade, or movement to not having to dump and restore for upgrades. I am aware that this is a difficult

Re: [HACKERS] Storing MemoryContext Pointers

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
Volkan YAZICI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When I allocate a new memory context via > oldmcxt = AllocSetContextCreate(TopMemoryContext, ...) > persistent_mcxt = CurrentMemoryContext; ITYM persistent_mcxt = AllocSetContextCreate(TopMemoryContext, ...) because the other doesn't do what y

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Woodward
> On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 14:53 -0400, Luke Lonergan wrote: >> Is that in the release notes? > > Yes: "Allow COPY to dump a SELECT query (Zoltan Boszormenyi, Karel Zak)" I remember this discussion, it is cool when great features get added. ---(end of broadcast)--

[HACKERS] Storing MemoryContext Pointers

2006-10-05 Thread Volkan YAZICI
Hi, When I allocate a new memory context via oldmcxt = AllocSetContextCreate(TopMemoryContext, ...) persistent_mcxt = CurrentMemoryContext; How can I store the persistent_mcxt in a persistent place that I'll be able to reach it in my next getting invoked? Is that possible? If not, how can I

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Neil Conway
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 14:53 -0400, Luke Lonergan wrote: > Is that in the release notes? Yes: "Allow COPY to dump a SELECT query (Zoltan Boszormenyi, Karel Zak)" -Neil ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Luke Lonergan
:-D Is that in the release notes? - Luke Msg is shrt cuz m on ma treo -Original Message- From: Neil Conway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 02:35 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Luke Lonergan Cc: Andrew Dunstan; Tom Lane; Mark Woodward; pgsql-hackers@

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Neil Conway
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 12:52 -0400, Luke Lonergan wrote: > Create table as select ... Order by ... > > Copy to ... Or in 8.2, "COPY TO (SELECT ... ORDER BY)" (My, that's a neat feature.) -Neil ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to incre

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Benny Amorsen
> "MW" == Mark Woodward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MW> Yea, I've been toying with the idea of that setting lately, I MW> can't for the life of me understand why it isn't the default MW> behavior. Lots of programs handle malloc() failures very badly. Including daemons. Often it's better in pr

Re: [HACKERS] Win XP SP2 SMP locking (8.1.4)

2006-10-05 Thread Magnus Hagander
> Hi there, > > I'm looking into strange locking, which happens on WinXP SP2 > SMP machine running 8.1.4 with stats_row_level=on. This is > the only combination (# of cpu and stats_row_level) which has > problem - SMP + stats_row_level. > > The same test runs fine with one cpu (restarted machi

Re: [HACKERS] Win XP SP2 SMP locking (8.1.4)

2006-10-05 Thread Oleg Bartunov
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote: It's interesting, that there is no problem with 8.2beta1 in all combinations ! Any idea what changes from 8.1.4 to 8.2beta1 could affect the problem ? What do you mean locking? Do you mean the postgresql process locks up? E.g; can you still connect

Re: [HACKERS] Win XP SP2 SMP locking (8.1.4)

2006-10-05 Thread Joshua D. Drake
> > It's interesting, that there is no problem with 8.2beta1 in all > combinations ! Any idea what changes from 8.1.4 to 8.2beta1 could > affect the problem ? What do you mean locking? Do you mean the postgresql process locks up? E.g; can you still connect to PostgreSQL from another connection?

[HACKERS] Win XP SP2 SMP locking (8.1.4)

2006-10-05 Thread Oleg Bartunov
Hi there, I'm looking into strange locking, which happens on WinXP SP2 SMP machine running 8.1.4 with stats_row_level=on. This is the only combination (# of cpu and stats_row_level) which has problem - SMP + stats_row_level. The same test runs fine with one cpu (restarted machine with /numpro

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Woodward
> Tom Lane wrote: >> "Mark Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> psql -p 5435 -U pgsql -t -A -c "select client, item, rating, day from >>> ratings order by client" netflix > netflix.txt >>> >> >> FWIW, there's a feature in CVS HEAD to instruct psql to try to use a >> cursor to break up huge

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Luke Lonergan
Create table as select ... Order by ... Copy to ... - Luke Msg is shrt cuz m on ma treo -Original Message- From: Andrew Dunstan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:51 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Tom Lane Cc: Mark Woodward; pgsql-hackers@postgresq

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Woodward
> >> > FWIW, there's a feature in CVS HEAD to instruct psql to try to use a >> > cursor to break up huge query results like this. For the moment I'd >> > suggest using COPY instead. >> >> >> That's sort of what I was afraid off. I am trying to get 100 million >> records into a text file in a speci

[HACKERS] timestamp subtraction (was Re: [SQL] formatting intervals with to_char)

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
Graham Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The documentation for to_char states that: > "|to_char(interval)| formats HH and HH12 as hours in a single day, while > HH24 can output hours exceeding a single day, e.g. >24." > However I can not get it to work with time intervals that span more than

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: "Mark Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: psql -p 5435 -U pgsql -t -A -c "select client, item, rating, day from ratings order by client" netflix > netflix.txt FWIW, there's a feature in CVS HEAD to instruct psql to try to use a cursor to break up huge query results li

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Chris Mair
> > FWIW, there's a feature in CVS HEAD to instruct psql to try to use a > > cursor to break up huge query results like this. For the moment I'd > > suggest using COPY instead. > > > That's sort of what I was afraid off. I am trying to get 100 million > records into a text file in a specific or

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Woodward
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 11:56:43AM -0400, Mark Woodward wrote: >> The query was executed as: >> psql -p 5435 -U pgsql -t -A -c "select client, item, rating, day from >> ratings order by client" netflix > netflix.txt >> >> >> My question, it looks like the kernel killed psql, and not postmaster. >

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Woodward
> "Mark Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> psql -p 5435 -U pgsql -t -A -c "select client, item, rating, day from >> ratings order by client" netflix > netflix.txt > >> My question, it looks like the kernel killed psql, and not postmaster. > > Not too surprising. > >> Question, is this a bug i

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
"Mark Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > psql -p 5435 -U pgsql -t -A -c "select client, item, rating, day from > ratings order by client" netflix > netflix.txt > My question, it looks like the kernel killed psql, and not postmaster. Not too surprising. > Question, is this a bug in psql? It

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread AgentM
On Oct 5, 2006, at 11:56 , Mark Woodward wrote: I am using the netflix database: Table "public.ratings" Column | Type | Modifiers +--+--- item | integer | client | integer | day| smallint | rating | smallint | The query was executed as: psql -p 543

Re: [HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 11:56:43AM -0400, Mark Woodward wrote: > The query was executed as: > psql -p 5435 -U pgsql -t -A -c "select client, item, rating, day from > ratings order by client" netflix > netflix.txt > > > My question, it looks like the kernel killed psql, and not postmaster. The > p

[HACKERS] Query Failed, out of memory

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Woodward
I am using the netflix database: Table "public.ratings" Column | Type | Modifiers +--+--- item | integer | client | integer | day| smallint | rating | smallint | The query was executed as: psql -p 5435 -U pgsql -t -A -c "select client, item, rating, da

Re: [HACKERS] PL/pgSQL Todo, better information in errcontext from plpgsql

2006-10-05 Thread Pavel Stehule
"Pavel Stehule" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And what two variants of errcontext drived by GUC? First current > (compatible) and second enhanced (with oid, params, maybe all possible debug > values) and possible machine's readable. This enhanced variant can be > compatible and shared in all

Re: [HACKERS] PL/pgSQL Todo, better information in errcontext from plpgsql

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
"Pavel Stehule" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And what two variants of errcontext drived by GUC? First current > (compatible) and second enhanced (with oid, params, maybe all possible debug > values) and possible machine's readable. This enhanced variant can be > compatible and shared in all env

Re: [HACKERS] PL Caching in TopTransactionContext

2006-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've been planning to implement a caching mechanism for non-volatile > (and non-SRF) procedures in PL/scheme, that'll return pre-computed > values in case of a procedure signature overlap[1]. This has generally been considered a bad idea even if implemented for all fu

Re: [HACKERS] pgindent has been run

2006-10-05 Thread Michael Meskes
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 04:41:44PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > That will prevent it from being changed by pgindent in the future. Thanks. Michael -- Michael Meskes Email: Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De, Michael at Meskes dot (De|Com|Net|Org) ICQ: 179140304, AIM/Yahoo: michaelmeskes, Jabber: [EMA

Re: [HACKERS] PL/pgSQL Todo, better information in errcontext from plpgsql

2006-10-05 Thread Pavel Stehule
Hi, Tom, Tom Lane wrote: >> I miss some info in context: function's oid, function's argumenst and >> schema. Maybe: > >> 199292 function public.foo(int, int, int) language plpgsql statement return >> line 10 > > Putting the OID there is a seriously awful idea, not least because it > would make

Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 beta blockers

2006-10-05 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Am Montag, 18. September 2006 09:20 schrieb Lukas Kahwe Smith: This just reminds me, are there plans to take into account multibyte server encodings inside the client quote function? Huh? Ah, I just checked the libpq docs and there seems to b

[HACKERS] PL Caching in TopTransactionContext

2006-10-05 Thread yazicivo
Hi, I've been planning to implement a caching mechanism for non-volatile (and non-SRF) procedures in PL/scheme, that'll return pre-computed values in case of a procedure signature overlap[1]. First, I decided to use fcinfo->flinfo->fn_mcxt context for the storage. But then I learnt it'll survive

Re: [HACKERS] workaround for buggy strtod is not necessary

2006-10-05 Thread Zdenek Kotala
Bruce Momjian napsal(a): OK, great information, updated comment is: /* * Many versions of Solaris have broken strtod() --- see bug #4751182. * This has been fixed in current versions of Solaris: * * http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=

Re: [HACKERS] Netflix Prize data

2006-10-05 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
Mark Woodward wrote: I tried to cluster the data along a particular index but had to cancel it after 3 hours. If the data is in random order, it's faster to do SELECT * INTO foo_sorted FROM foo ORDER BY bar then CREATE INDEX, than to run CLUSTER. That's because CLUSTER does a full index sca