but he could be correct for those that
haven't become self-sufficient yet.
:-)
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Justin Clift
Michael
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Tom Lane wrote:
Justin Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Dave Page put up a new survey on the PostgreSQL portal page very
recently, " What would attract the most new PostgreSQL users?" and the
results in already are interesting (1,529 results as this is being written):
[sni
patch to a
superceeded major version. Wrapping it up and putting it out really
isn't a big deal. Marc?
Hi Marc,
Would you be ok with us releasing a 7.2.4?
:-)
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Anyway, thought this worth bringing to people's attention, as we may
find some value in it.
:-)
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first
Jeroen T. Vermeulen wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 01:20:45PM +1030, Justin Clift wrote:
Have been discussing what it would take to write an "SDBC" driver for
connecting StarOffice/OpenOffice to PostgreSQL with Frank Schönheit, a
senior member of the Sun StarOffice/OpenOffice DBA t
of how PostgreSQL is applied out in the
real world.
:-)
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first group; there was less competition there.&quo
not, why don't we just rearrange psql to dynamically load a
library of functions, eg:
libpsql72.so
libpsql73.so
etc...
And in them you have functions like:
printTableDef();
printViewDef();
etc...
Is this very different from how it's done at present?
:-)
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l into it's own sub-project makes good
sense from that point of view.
So... this stuff is interesting Greg.
:-)
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7.2.x series can use safely until
they are able to move to 7.3.x or above.
What would it take, and apart from patches for the buffer overflows and
the WAL recovery bug, should anything else be included to ensure safety
and stability?
:-)
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yment
if it is.
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Lamar Owen wrote:
On Wednesday 15 January 2003 09:20, Justin Clift wrote:
Sound like a plan? Will also need someone else with a Solaris 8 SPARC
system to try the packages out too, just in case there are weird library
dependencies happening that might catch us out.
I have access to several
g that might catch us out.
Also, am wondering if learning how to do "cross compiling" instead might
be worthwhile. Don't yet know anything about it, but it gets mentioned
in a lot of documents.
:-)
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regards
Mark
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ating PostgreSQL support further into
Star/OpenOffice.
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x and similar tools installed, as well as be
patched with the latest recommended Solaris patches.
Might be a huge ask, but am figuring it to be worth at least trying.
:-)
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who work
Hi guys,
As a curiosity thought, would it be possible to do something like:
\ep
Where this tells psql to get the query in the history prior to the \e,
and edit it interactively?
:-)
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a second up arrow would bring
up the command that was worked upon.
?
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Justin Clift wrote:
b) Do we really want to go to the effort of adding a switch to revert to
previous behaviour for something like this? It's almost definitely a
win to have \e commands appear in the history, and seems a bit to
trivial for adding switches for.
Bad wording there..
b) Do we really want to go to the effort of adding a switch to revert to
previous behaviour for something like this? It's almost definitely a
win to have \e commands appear in the history, and seems a bit to
trivial for adding switches for.
?
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Justin Clift
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r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ccs/bin
***
Compiled using "./configure --prefix=/opt/pgsql --with-openssl"
Is this stuff useful?
:-)
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,
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Tom Lane wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It was based on the CMU "Hydra" project,
Really!? Small world ... I was part of the Hydra team, more years ago
than I like to admit in public.
Somehow, I'm not sure that PostgreSQL-on-OS/400 is likely to be more
t
Hi guys,
Also received a through the Advocacy website asking if anyone has
ported PostgreSQL to the AlphaServers under VMS.
Anyone know if we run on VMS? Last time I touched VMS (about 10 years
ago) it wasn't all that Unix-like.
:-)
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Justin Clift
-
Hi everyone,
Just found out that the "pgdiff" utility (the one for comparing two
different PostgreSQL database's) was released and uploaded to
SourceForge in November:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pgdiff
Have people already looked at this?
:-)
Regards and best wishes
Tom Lane wrote:
Justin Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
We don't support OS/400 yet do we?
Never heard of it. Is it Unix-y? Do you have one available for testing?
Oops, should have been clearer.
OS/400 is the operating system on the IBM AS/400 series of midrange
computers:
Hi everyone,
We don't support OS/400 yet do we?
:-)
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
'K, but that won't help the mirrors themselves ... what we need to do is
pull the users-lounge over to the new VM next ...
Do you have access to 64.49.215.8?
.9 works for me, but .8 doesn't.
:-(
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and best wishes,
Justin Clift
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Hi Tom,
Sorry about that. Was a combo of two simple problems.
It's fixed now. :-)
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Tom Lane wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
the portal itself is not mirrored, butif you go to, for instance
UsersLounge or Dow
lar.
:-)
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l
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go through a proper release process, but determine which steps are optional or not needed
for smaller releases.
:-)
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who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be i
order to bring
it up to date?
I'm having visions of a 16MB WAL file being pushed out to slave systems in order to update them with a few rows of data...
:-/
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eople have to be careful about how they use sequences, as they don't normally roll back?
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fi
Hi Dan,
The database for the postgresql.org sites is back up again now.
Thanks for pointing it out.
:-)
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Justin Clift wrote:
Hi Dan,
Thanks for pointing this out.
The Admin guys are looking into it now. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon.
:-/
Re
Hi Dan,
Thanks for pointing this out.
The Admin guys are looking into it now. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon.
:-/
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Justin Clift
Dan Langille wrote:
http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/ is down
Warning: Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server: The Data Base Syste
whipped up a page listing these main points here, and everyone has
the ability to make suggestions/edits directly onto that page:
http://advocacy.postgresql.org/documents/ReleaseProcess
Hopefully that's helpful.
:-)
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is people new to
PostgreSQL that don't.
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can view it for now at wwwdevel.postgresql.org.
The new front page has links to the other main websites, so it should
help people find the information they need in a much easier way. :-)
Hope that's helpful to know.
:-)
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is extremely bad form coming from
anyone, let alone you.
Please consider the statements you make by a more accurate approach in
the future.
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Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Because of this taken from the above quoted text:
"they were under constant assault from their clients to use oracle or db2"
Last I looked neither Oracle or DB2 were open source, but they both j
entioned.
And ?
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Anything else you don't understand about that?
Vince.
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first group; there was less com
, there really isn't much choice.
That tells me their clients wanted a commercial database, not one that's
open source. All the marketing in the world won't change that.
Really?
Why do you say that?
:-)
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Vince.
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w what
un-cool things people could decide to store in there, but it might be
useful for a week or two after Myk's article becomes available for readers.
Would you be interested in this?
:-)
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Original Message
Subject: [GENERAL] publicl
tall
scripts I would be glad to post, and I would be very glad to include
Igor's console in the install.
Yep, he does seem to have created a pretty nifty console.
It would make a cool offering.
:-)
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mlw wrote:
Once we do that, the we have the hook for more reliable and powerful
systems.
Yep, I pretty much agree.
:-)
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oject, so
people could work on this through CVS.
Would you like to register it as a project?
Mark, do you feel it would be better to put your installer plus this
together into one project on GBorg too? Not sure, it's just a thought.
:-)
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;www.postgresql.org" as that's going to change as soon as the new portal
is in place.
Does this sound like a workable approach for now?
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Justin Clift
I liked Greg(?)'s ideas, but I don't see it as being implemented overnight
:)
--
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Hi everyone,
We just received this message through the contact form on the Advocacy site.
Thought it would be nice to hear.
:-)
(btw Ajay, you're probably best to upgrade to PostgreSQL 7.2.3 or 7.3
[just released], as 7.2.1 had a few nasty bugs in it)
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the last
thing I need.
Ok then, what do you suggest?
:-)
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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Justin Clift writes:
Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.
Why don't we just shut down the regular web site. Clearly it's not
conside
ve guessed that release management is now done by the
"advocacy" group? While you're out advocating, don't forget the existing
users.
Sorry Peter.
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Actually, there are lines, Justin just occasionally appears to 'blur' them
until I get a chance to refresh them ... eh Justin?:)
[innocent whistle]
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also trying to direct people to
the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.
The only reason for the download page not having a list of mirrors is
due to not having done it yet.
:-)
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:-)
Regards, Dave.
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
Excellent. Are there any other people involved in PostgreSQL and
universities or educational institutions? If so we could put something
together about experiences for the advocacy Web site.
Is this the kind of thing that the
ities or educational institutions? If so we could put something
together about experiences for the advocacy Web site.
Is this the kind of thing that the Techdocs Guides area would be good
for? (http://techdocs.postgresql.org/guides)
:-)
Regards and best wishes,
Ju
Joe Conway wrote:
>
> Has anyone from Compiere ever contacted this list to discuss their issues? It
> is an unbelievable shame that the most active open source ERP can't use an
> open source database.
I think so, but not with zeal.
:-/
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Justin Clift
t;embedded
transations".
http://www.compiere.org/technology/independence.html
Does anyone know what they're talking about?
:-)
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he ftp and website mirrors now irrelevant to you?
Not sure what you mean here.
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> Vince.
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ng the Subject line to make
things a bit more obvious.
?
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Hi Chris,
Just received this from them. Look like he was trying to claim stuff
that wasn't true.
:-/
Thanks for pointing this out Chris. :)
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Date
et's hope they get back to us.
:-)
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> Chris
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se it was doing constant
indexing. So the GUI has gone, along with the Rebuild button."
***
Is "Constant indexing" something that sounds interesting for us to look
at?
:-)
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Tom Lane wrote:
>
> Justin Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Oliver Elphick wrote:
> >> I created a sequence using SERIAL when I created a table. I used the
> >> same sequence for another table by setting a column default to
> >> nextval(sequenc
Neil Conway wrote:
>
> Justin Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > This sounds like a serious bug in our behaviour, and not something
> > we'd like to release.
>
> It's not ideal, I agree, but I *definately* don't think this is
> grounds for ch
to people's existing scripts, and also to
people who are doing dump/restore of specific tables (it'll kill the
sequences that other tables depend on too!)
No real issue with the nicety for newbies, but am very concerned about
the lack of a dependancy check here.
:-/
Regards and best wishes,
ed someone with the Linux for Playstation 2 kit to
compile the RPM's so they can be added.
Does anyone already have a "Linux for Playstation 2" kit and would be
willing to compile them?
:-)
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six years, but it is
> time to take a break and to move on to other projects.
Good luck Thomas.
Truly hope you're going to have heaps of fun, enjoy yourself, and find
the new projects rewarding too.
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Justin Clift
> Thanks to Marc, Bruce, and Vadim for welc
Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Personally I think this is a low-risk patch and so choice 2 is
> > appropriate.
If this is the only change, then 2 does seem like the best mix of
risk/progress.
:-)
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Justin Clift
> Sorry, I was vagu
Tom Lane wrote:
>
> Justin Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > We received a query through the Advocacy site about whether we support
> > AIX 5.1 or not, so am trying to find out.
>
> It should work. Andreas just submitted a port confirmation on AIX
> 4.3.2
Does PostgreSQL 7.2.x (and also 7.3 when it's released) support AIX 5.1?
:-)
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aine to retest 7.3? Have a
feeling we might be able to leverage the PlayStation2 brand name here
for the Advocacy project.
:-)
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> regards, tom lane
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Bravo Curtis,
This is all excellent research.
:-)
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Justin Clift
Curtis Faith wrote:
> Disk space is much cheaper than CPU and memory so I think that a logging
> system that used as much as three or four times the space but is three or
> four times faster w
reatly enhance
the number of users we have.
It's important to do this because companies and governments are looking
to Open Source software in serious ways *now* so we need to be in place
to meet that need as it starts to kick in.
:)
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> --
>
ies,
and other large institutions around the world for adopting Open Source
software in significant ways, we'd be kind of short-sighted to do things
in a way that mostly limits people to using M$ products.
:-)
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ly be ready soon.
:)
That'll make an even 10 languages!
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first group; there was less competition
Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to
> Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged
> patch that can be applied to 7.4.
>
> Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I
> will post patches tha
Hi Neil,
Cool. It's fixed now. We've just recreated the channel and started
giving operator access to the right people.
:-)
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Justin Clift
Neil Conway wrote:
>
> Justin Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Hi all,
> >
> &g
in's about.
So, does anyone know who the Admin's are, so we can get things fixed up?
:-)
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fi
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network, you
> might get lucky. But it is an extremely dangerous plan.
Ok, have just removed the link. Sorry for not getting around to it
before Andrew.
(Bruce pointed out your email, otherwise I would have missed it again
too).
:-/
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> A
>
>
least).
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are coming along.
Am very, very proud of our community members.
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5 languages done, with Brazilian Portuguese and Spanish
nearly ready too.
:-)
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first group; there was less comp
> Thomas Swan wrote:
>
> Justin Clift wrote:
> > Ok. Wonder if it's worth someone creating a "PostgreSQL Powertools"
> > type of package, that includes in one download all of these nifty
> > tools (pg_autotune, oid2name, etc) that would be beneficial
, regardless if they're released separately as add-on
patches or not.
:-)
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> + If your life is a hard drive,
at's 4 completed languages at this point, with more coming along.
Let's see how many more can be added... :)
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who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to b
ld be used to send out Romanian
pages? i.e. for English, French, German it's iso-8859-1, for Turkish
it's iso-8859-9, Romanian = ?
:-)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello !
>
> I'd like to translate the advocacy site to R
Hi everyone,
The Turkish translation of the PostgreSQL "Advocacy and Marketing" site,
done by Devrim GUNDUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is now complete and
ready for public use:
http://advocacy.postgresql.org/?lang=tr
Pretty cool stuff. Thanks Devrim. :-)
Regards and best wishe
to relfilenode2name and install by default
Should it be renamed to pg_ for namespace consistency?
:-)
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Justin Clift
> Actually, to be accurate, I think databases are stored based on their
> oid and tables/indexes are stored based on their relfilenode. That is
= foo
$
:-)
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inguprserv.php
That could be the basis for your async replication solution.
Hope that helps.
:-)
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Justin Clift
> It doesn't remove the slow time, but will distribute the slowness across
> every transaction rather than all at once (via creation of replicati
x27;s really
going to help. :-)
In addition to this, Stefano has also volunteered to be an Italian
language contact for the PostgreSQL Advocacy and Marketing team. With
luck we'll gain good PostgreSQL representatives for *all* of the major
languages and get some nifty stuff happening.
:-)
R
Greg Copeland wrote:
> If so, I assume it would become a configure option (--with-aio)?
Or maybe a GUC "use_aio" ?
:-)
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>
> Regards
's common to have a bunch of drives and allocate different ones for
different tasks appropriately, whether in array sets, individually,
mirrored, etc.
100% totally feasible to have a separate 15k SCSI drive or two just
purely for doing sorts if it would assist in throughput.
:-)
e
site and emailed it to the volunteers. :)
So far community members have volunteered for German, Turkish, French,
Spanish, Brazilian Portuguese, and Polish.
Cool. :)
Want to co-ordinate with the other two German language volunteers?
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Justin Clift
> Regards
> T
ult language, English for this
site.
:-)
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Justin Clift
> Regards
> Tino
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who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the
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:-)
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Justin Clift
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> Shridhar
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orlds" here is basically saying "every world most advanced open source
> database" and does not, in any case, connote possession.
Ok, updating it now. Thanks heaps Thomas.
:-)
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Justin Clift
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Um, doesn't "world's" mean "world is" ?
That wouldn't make sense then though. ?
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Justin Clift
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hoping people have good ideas, beneficial directions,
etc.
If everything is looking good, then we'll look to ensuring this is a
workable Open Source license, etc. (www.opensource.org)
:-)
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Justin Clift
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