Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
development group and, to some exten
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Iavor Raytchev wrote:
I actually do not understand why is the whole cry - why not somebody who
has REALLY the marketing in his/her heart - does not make an open source
amazingly beautiful and powerful web site. You do not have to ask Bruce
for that. You get BRICOLAGE -
Iavor Raytchev wrote:
> I actually do not understand why is the whole cry - why not somebody who
> has REALLY the marketing in his/her heart - does not make an open source
> amazingly beautiful and powerful web site. You do not have to ask Bruce
> for that. You get BRICOLAGE - it is free, and it
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
development group
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> > > Marc G. Fournier writes:
> > >
> > > > It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
> > > > stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Thomas O'Connell wrote:
> I was surprised, for instance, to receive a non-list email announcing
> the release of the software but then to have to wait for days actually
> to see it show up on the official (or even the advocacy) website in a
> news item. Even now it is not liste
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Tom Lane wrote:
> I tend to agree with Peter. Not that we don't need a marketing
> presence; we do (I think Great Bridge's marketing efforts are sorely
> missed). But the point he is making is that the pgsql mailing lists go
> to people who are generally unimpressed by market
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> > Marc G. Fournier writes:
> >
> > > It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
> > > stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
> >
> > Consider that a failed experiment. Post
As someone who exists mainly as an active user (and part-time
advocate/documentation tweaker), I have found the release of PostgreSQL
7.3 to be disappointing. The ensuing pseudo-flamewar on the various
lists has been similarly disappointing.
I was surprised, for instance, to receive a non-list
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>> Marc G. Fournier writes:
>>> It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
>>> stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
>>
>> Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > It is unfortunate that it is almost impossible to have a marketing group
> > without there being some wilful blinders involved; it's vital for there to be
> > some technical involvement in the marketing group to pop whatev
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Philip Warner wrote:
> At 05:48 PM 4/12/2002 -0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> >Lack of marketing is one of Postgres's major problems.
>
> What are the consequences of the problem?
Well, I'd have to say the major one is a difficult in increasing our user
base, as ppl lik
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It is unfortunate that it is almost impossible to have a marketing group
> without there being some wilful blinders involved; it's vital for there to be
> some technical involvement in the marketing group to pop whatever bubbles they
> grow that are wo
> > > It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with
> a
> > > stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
> >
> > Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
> > development group and, to some extent, by the existing user base. The
> > It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with
a
> > stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
>
> Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
> development group and, to some extent, by the existing user base. The
> last thing
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier writes:
>
> > It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
> > stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
>
> Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
> development group and, to so
Marc G. Fournier writes:
> It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
> stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
development group and, to some extent, by the existing user base.
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> >
> > > That wasn't stronger, it was fluffier. It was full of buzzwords that
> > > were masking the actual content. Are you trying to hide the
> > > accomplishments or promote them
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> >
> > > That wasn't stronger, it was fluffier. It was full of buzzwords that
> > > were masking the actual content. Are you trying to hide the
> > > accomplishments or promote them
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
>
> > That wasn't stronger, it was fluffier. It was full of buzzwords that
> > were masking the actual content. Are you trying to hide the
> > accomplishments or promote them? If you're trying to hide them like in
> > this ann
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Tom Lane wrote:
> "Dave Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
> > been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
> > am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the la
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> I have a new design for it, now it's just getting the time to implement
> it. It's easy to add to and looks alot nicer.
Cool, I think the only beef I ever had with it was the way the results
were presented, but loved teh whole annotated aspects ...
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> That wasn't stronger, it was fluffier. It was full of buzzwords that
> were masking the actual content. Are you trying to hide the
> accomplishments or promote them? If you're trying to hide them like in
> this announcement you may want to try using
"Dave Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
> been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
> am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
> thing I need.
I'm not subscribed to -ad
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:
>
> > I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
> > been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
> > am getting far too much mail these days and another list is
> -Original Message-
> From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 04 December 2002 13:56
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Peter Eisentraut; Justin Clift; Bruce Momjian;
> PostgreSQL-development
> Subject: RE: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
> Dev
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>
> > Justin Clift writes:
> >
> > > Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
> > > the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.
> >
> > Why don't w
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:
> > And I'll pre-empt *that* with "the volume of email isn't
> > changing, only the ability to filter that email" ... the
> > purpose of the -advocacy list is to focus on how to better
> > market the software ... not through stuff like advertising,
> > but how
> -Original Message-
> From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 04 December 2002 13:41
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Peter Eisentraut; Justin Clift; Bruce Momjian;
> PostgreSQL-development
> Subject: RE: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
> Dev
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>
> > Marc G. Fournier writes:
> >
> > > Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
> > > had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
> > > it, I'm s
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
So as to not recreate the wheel, or, at least, get the wheel properly
rolling, can we get that download page redirected to the one that does
list the mirrors? :)
Yep.
Would the best way to do this be changing the wording to say something like:
"PostgreSQL can be downlo
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
>
> > > Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
> > > had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
> > > it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:
> I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
> been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
> am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
> thing I need.
And I'll pre-empt *that* wi
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Justin Clift writes:
>
> > Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
> > the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.
>
> Why don't we just shut down the regular web site. Clearly it's not
> c
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
> Dave Page wrote:
>
> > I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
> > Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
> > you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not using them
> > anymore?
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier writes:
>
> > Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
> > had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
> > it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*
>
> And how s
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
> > had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
> > it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*
>
> I understood it was intentional so comm
> -Original Message-
> From: Justin Clift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 04 December 2002 10:59
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Peter Eisentraut; Marc G. Fournier; Bruce Momjian;
> PostgreSQL-development
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
> Dev
Dave Page wrote:
Strangely I was just thinking the same thing. If all the info is on
advocacy, then what exactly will be left on the main site? Idocs?
Good point, and worth thinking about then.
I was sort of under the impression that the site reshuffle was happening
in a top down manner anywa
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 December 2002 23:34
> To: Justin Clift
> Cc: Dave Page; Marc G. Fournier; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL-development
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
> Develo
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Justin Clift writes:
Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.
Why don't we just shut down the regular web site. Clearly it's not
considered adequate anymore.
We
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*
And how should we have guessed that release
Justin Clift writes:
> Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
> the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.
Why don't we just shut down the regular web site. Clearly it's not
considered adequate anymore.
--
Peter Eisentraut [EMAI
Marc G. Fournier writes:
> Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
> had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
> it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*
And how should we have guessed that release management is now done
Dave Page wrote:
I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not using them
anymore?
Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to dire
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:
>
> > I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
> > Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
> > you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not u
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> Haven't you been paying attention? There's this new advocacy and suit
> marketing thing going on that makes all of that irrelevant. It's just
> there for show now.
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:
> I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
> Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
> you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not using them
> anymore?
Yup, as with doing anything for
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 03 December 2002 19:12
> > To: Bruce Momjian
> > Cc: PostgreSQL-development
> > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERA
> -Original Message-
> From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 December 2002 19:12
> To: Bruce Momjian
> Cc: PostgreSQL-development
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
> Development Group Announces
>
>
> On Thu, 28
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > Wow, this sounds great.
> >
> > Where can I get a copy? Why would anyone use anything else? ;-)
>
> Well, if you read the announcement in its entirety, you would have
> noticed:
>
> "Source for this release is available
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Wow, this sounds great.
>
> Where can I get a copy? Why would anyone use anything else? ;-)
Well, if you read the announcement in its entirety, you would have
noticed:
"Source for this release is available at:
http://advocacy.postgresql.org/downl
Wow, this sounds great.
Where can I get a copy? Why would anyone use anything else? ;-)
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