[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonah H. Harris) writes:
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of language choice, no one said that _all_ the source code would
need to be rewritten. It would be nice, for example, if PostgreSQL rewrote
the current GUC system with
Chris Browne wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonah H. Harris) writes:
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of language choice, no one said that _all_ the source code would
need to be rewritten. It would be nice, for example, if PostgreSQL
Chris Browne wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonah H. Harris) writes:
Having done quite a bit of internals work with SAP DB (which is an
amalgamation of C, C++, and Pascal), I completely agree. The entire
system, if possible, should be in a single language.
Note that this actually *isn't*
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Mark Mielke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If
some parts of PostgreSQL are not performance bottlenecks, and they are
extremely complicated to write in C, and very easy to write in something
else common and simple (I've never used LUA myself?), I imagine it would be
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gevik Babakhani) writes:
Advantage of C++ is that it reduce lot of OO code written in
C in PostgreSQL, but it is so big effort to do that without
small gain. It will increase number of bugs. Do not forget
also that C++ compiler is not so common (so good) on
different
On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:50 PM, Chris Browne wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gevik Babakhani) writes:
Advantage of C++ is that it reduce lot of OO code written in
C in PostgreSQL, but it is so big effort to do that without
small gain. It will increase number of bugs. Do not forget
also that C++
A.M. wrote:
Speaking of language choice, no one said that _all_ the source code
would need to be rewritten. It would be nice, for example, if
PostgreSQL rewrote the current GUC system with a glue language like
Lua (which is also very C-like).
No it wouldn't. All it would mean is that
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of language choice, no one said that _all_ the source code would
need to be rewritten. It would be nice, for example, if PostgreSQL rewrote
the current GUC system with a glue language like Lua (which is also very
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Dunstan) writes:
A.M. wrote:
Speaking of language choice, no one said that _all_ the source code
would need to be rewritten. It would be nice, for example, if
PostgreSQL rewrote the current GUC system with a glue language like
Lua (which is also very C-like).
No it
Gevik Babakhani napsal(a):
Dear PG hackers,
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming language
like C++? Of course there are some minor obstacles like a new OO design,
this being a gigantic task to perform and rewriting almost everything etc...
I am very interested to hear
Advantage of C++ is that it reduce lot of OO code written in
C in PostgreSQL, but it is so big effort to do that without
small gain. It will increase number of bugs. Do not forget
also that C++ compiler is not so common (so good) on
different platforms. If somebody interesting in that yes
Gevik Babakhani napsal(a):
Better idea is to start to use C99 in PostgreSQL ;-).
I have not investigated this yet. But I am very interested to know what the
advantages would be to upgrade the code to C99 standards.
I think replace macros with inline functions. It brings to ability to
Zdenek Kotala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gevik Babakhani napsal(a):
I have not investigated this yet. But I am very interested to know what the
advantages would be to upgrade the code to C99 standards.
I think replace macros with inline functions. It brings to ability to
monitor them for
On 9/25/08, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zdenek Kotala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gevik Babakhani napsal(a):
I have not investigated this yet. But I am very interested to know what the
advantages would be to upgrade the code to C99 standards.
I think replace macros with inline
Gevik Babakhani wrote:
Advantage of C++ is that it reduce lot of OO code written in
C in PostgreSQL, but it is so big effort to do that without
small gain. It will increase number of bugs. Do not forget
also that C++ compiler is not so common (so good) on
different platforms. If somebody
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gevik Babakhani) writes:
It might look like an impossible goal to achieve.. But if there is
any serious plan/idea/ammo for this, I believe it would be very
beneficial to the continuity of PG.
Actually, I imagine that such a rewrite would run a very considerable
risk of
Gevik Babakhani wrote:
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming language
like C++? Of course there are some minor obstacles like a new OO design,
this being a gigantic task to perform and rewriting almost everything etc...
I am very interested to hear your opinion.
Chris,
This does not strike me as a particularly useful exercise. If I
intended such a rewrite, I'd much rather consider using something
*interestingly* different from C, like Erlang or Eiffel or Haskell.
And if you were going to do *that*, you'd also rewrite the database to
operate
Robert Haas wrote:
C isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Look at its history, it has survived
its 'replacements' over and over again. The most popular kernels, shells
and applications are all still written in C (new and old). Where are the
warning signs that it is dwindling?
To add to
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008, Gevik Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming language
like C++? Of course there are some minor obstacles like a new OO design,
this being a gigantic task to perform and rewriting almost everything etc...
I am
On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 16:37 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:57:36 +0100
Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Gevik Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming language
like C++? Of
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:47:10 +0300
Hannu Krosing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 16:37 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
I don't think that we should rush into any one language without
checking the alternatives. Personally I think we should port everything
to Intercal.
My
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Who can resist the programming language game?
Le 19 sept. 08 à 22:37, D'Arcy J.M. Cain a écrit :
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:57:36 +0100
Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Gevik Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 09:06 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:47:10 +0300
Hannu Krosing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 16:37 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
I don't think that we should rush into any one language without
checking the alternatives.
Dear PG hackers,
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming language
like C++? Of course there are some minor obstacles like a new OO design,
this being a gigantic task to perform and rewriting almost everything etc...
I am very interested to hear your opinion.
(You can
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:54:53 +0200
Gevik Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear PG hackers,
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming
language like C++? Of course there are some minor obstacles like a
new OO design, this being a gigantic task to perform and
Gevik Babakhani wrote:
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming language
like C++?
No.
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On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Gevik Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear PG hackers,
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming language
like C++? Of course there are some minor obstacles like a new OO design,
this being a gigantic task to perform and rewriting
: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:58 PM
To: Gevik Babakhani
Cc: PGSQL Hackers
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL future ideas
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Gevik Babakhani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear PG hackers,
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:57:36 +0100
Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Gevik Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming language
like C++? Of course there are some minor obstacles like a new OO design,
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Gevik Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It might look like an impossible goal to achieve.. But if there is any
serious plan/idea/ammo for this, I believe it would be very beneficial to
the continuity of PG.
I don't think so. Firebird rewrote their entire
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 08:57:36PM +0100, Dave Page wrote:
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Gevik Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear PG hackers,
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming language
like C++? Of course there are some minor obstacles like a new OO
, 2008 10:39 PM
To: Gevik Babakhani
Cc: Dave Page; PGSQL Hackers;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL future ideas
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Gevik Babakhani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It might look like an impossible goal to achieve
Already done!
http://www.postgresql.org/community/weeklynews/pwn20050401
Yes, yes COBOL :) PostCobolSQL
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On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 09:54:53PM +0200, Gevik Babakhani wrote:
Dear PG hackers,
Has there been any idea to port PG to a more modern programming
language like C++? Of course there are some minor obstacles like a
new OO design, this being a gigantic task to perform and rewriting
almost
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:01:15 +0200
Gevik Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unless I am very off. C++ is a natural choice when porting
(upgrading) ANSI C application.
As far as I know, most universities teach some sort of OO programming
language like JAVA or C# to help students understand OO
All,
I don't see how you think it will help. Most universities (here in
the US at least), are shying away from teaching C/C++. So, in the
long run, I don't see how that would really help us get more developer
involvement.
Last I checked, we *weren't* having any problem recruiting
I think the better question about all of this is:
What is the problem we are trying to solve?
Providing solutions that are looking for problems doesn't help us.
Sincerely,
Perhaps the current codebase and design in C will serve us for years and
years to come. In fact there is no doubt about
Gevik Babakhani wrote:
I think the better question about all of this is:
What is the problem we are trying to solve?
Providing solutions that are looking for problems doesn't help us.
Sincerely,
Perhaps the current codebase and design in C will serve us for years and
years to come. In
Joshua Drake wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:01:15 +0200
Gevik Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unless I am very off. C++ is a natural choice when porting
(upgrading) ANSI C application.
As far as I know, most universities teach some sort of OO programming
language like JAVA or C# to help
Gevik Babakhani wrote:
I think the better question about all of this is:
What is the problem we are trying to solve?
Providing solutions that are looking for problems doesn't help us.
Sincerely,
Perhaps the current codebase and design in C will serve us for years and
years to come. In
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Subject: Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL future ideas
Gevik Babakhani wrote:
I think the better question about all of this is:
What is the problem we are trying to solve?
Providing solutions that are looking for problems doesn't help us
I'm surprised no one pointed out that Postgres has *already* been ported
to a new language once. It was originally written in Lisp, and was
rewritten in C sometime in the Berkeley years. (Anyone know exactly
when or by whom? I don't.) You can still see the effects of that
origin in the
C isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Look at its history, it has survived
its 'replacements' over and over again. The most popular kernels, shells
and applications are all still written in C (new and old). Where are the
warning signs that it is dwindling?
To add to this:
It's easy to
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