Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-03 Thread Rod Taylor
> I'm quite sure that the schema change will not hurt nothing. However I have to > say that add come column, with default value and a check on it is no to > doable with very bigtables. Fortunately with the 8.0 you can do these tasks > in one shot. I've got a few 30GB tables anxiously awaiting th

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-02 Thread Gaetano Mendola
Jan Wieck wrote: > On 9/1/2004 9:02 PM, Gaetano Mendola wrote: > >> Jan Wieck wrote: >> >> >>> Which is another point I was about to ask. How do these people, >>> running those huge and horribly important databases, ever test a >>> single application change? Or any schema changes for that matter. D

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-02 Thread Jan Wieck
On 9/1/2004 9:02 PM, Gaetano Mendola wrote: Jan Wieck wrote: Which is another point I was about to ask. How do these people, running those huge and horribly important databases, ever test a single application change? Or any schema changes for that matter. Do they really type "psql -c 'alter tab

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Gaetano Mendola
Jan Wieck wrote: Which is another point I was about to ask. How do these people, running those huge and horribly important databases, ever test a single application change? Or any schema changes for that matter. Do they really type "psql -c 'alter table ...' proddb" and believe they are profes

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Rod Taylor
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 13:50, Jan Wieck wrote: > On 9/1/2004 1:51 PM, Serguei A. Mokhov wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:35:18 -0400 > > > > On 8/31/2004 9:38 PM, Andrew Rawnsley wrote: > > > >> On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:23 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> > >>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Josh Berkus

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Jan Wieck
On 9/1/2004 1:51 PM, Serguei A. Mokhov wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:35:18 -0400 On 8/31/2004 9:38 PM, Andrew Rawnsley wrote: On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:23 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: Andrew, If I were loony enough to want to make an attempt at a version update

[HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Serguei A. Mokhov
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:35:18 -0400 On 8/31/2004 9:38 PM, Andrew Rawnsley wrote: > On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:23 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: >> >>> Andrew, >>> If I were loony enough to want to make an attempt at a version updater (i.e. mig

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Jeff
On Sep 1, 2004, at 12:19 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: From my perspective, anyone who is running a 100GB, can't-be-down-for-a-day database and does not have more than 100GB free and/or a hot swap server has some *serious* priority problems. Well, 100GB maybe excessive for this example. but I'm sure the

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread David Fetter
On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 09:47:02AM -0400, Jeff wrote: > > On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > > >Huh? You can replicate onto the same server. Kicks your > >performance in the teeth but it works fine. Heck, I did it on my > >laptop as a demo. > > Doesn't work If you have say, a 1

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Josh Berkus
Folks, > Doesn't work If you have say, a 100GB db and only 50GB free space. > Not nearly enough to duplicate. But plenty of breathing room for normal > operation. >From my perspective, anyone who is running a 100GB, can't-be-down-for-a-day database and does not have more than 100GB free and/or a

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Hannu Krosing
On K, 2004-09-01 at 01:30, Josh Berkus wrote: > Marc, > > > Slony is not an upgrade utility, and falls short in one big case .. > > literally .. a very large database with limited cash resources to > > duplicate it (as far as hardware is concerned). In small shops, or those > > with 'free budget'

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Jan Wieck wrote: On 9/1/2004 10:29 AM, Joe Conway wrote: Jeff wrote: On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: Huh?You can replicate onto the same server.Kicks your performance in the teeth but it works fine. Heck, I did it on my laptop as a demo. Doesn't work I

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Jan Wieck
On 9/1/2004 10:29 AM, Joe Conway wrote: Jeff wrote: On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: Huh?You can replicate onto the same server.Kicks your performance in the teeth but it works fine. Heck, I did it on my laptop as a demo. Doesn't work If you have say, a 100GB db and only 5

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Joe Conway
Jeff wrote: On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: Huh?You can replicate onto the same server.Kicks your performance in the teeth but it works fine. Heck, I did it on my laptop as a demo. Doesn't work If you have say, a 100GB db and only 50GB free space. Not nearly enough to dup

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Jeff
On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: Huh?You can replicate onto the same server.Kicks your performance in the teeth but it works fine. Heck, I did it on my laptop as a demo. Doesn't work If you have say, a 100GB db and only 50GB free space. Not nearly enough to duplicate. But

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-09-01 Thread Andrew Rawnsley
On Aug 31, 2004, at 11:35 PM, Jan Wieck wrote: On 8/31/2004 9:38 PM, Andrew Rawnsley wrote: On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:23 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: Andrew, If I were loony enough to want to make an attempt at a version updater (i.e. migrate a 7.4 database to 8

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-08-31 Thread Jan Wieck
On 8/31/2004 9:38 PM, Andrew Rawnsley wrote: On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:23 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: Andrew, If I were loony enough to want to make an attempt at a version updater (i.e. migrate a 7.4 database to 8.0 without an initdb), any suggestions on where

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-08-31 Thread Andrew Rawnsley
On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:23 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: Andrew, If I were loony enough to want to make an attempt at a version updater (i.e. migrate a 7.4 database to 8.0 without an initdb), any suggestions on where to poke first? Does a catalog/list of system

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-08-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Marc, > Slony is not an upgrade utility, and falls short in one big case .. > literally .. a very large database with limited cash resources to > duplicate it (as far as hardware is concerned). In small shops, or those > with 'free budget', Slony is perfect ... but if you are in an organization >

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-08-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: Andrew, If I were loony enough to want to make an attempt at a version updater (i.e. migrate a 7.4 database to 8.0 without an initdb), any suggestions on where to poke first? Does a catalog/list of system catalog changes exist anywhere? Any really gross probl

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-08-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Andrew, > If I were loony enough to want to make an attempt at a version updater > (i.e. migrate a > 7.4 database to 8.0 without an initdb), any suggestions on where to > poke first? Does a > catalog/list of system catalog changes exist anywhere? Any really gross > problems immediately > present t

Re: [HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-08-30 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Rawnsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If I were loony enough to want to make an attempt at a version updater > (i.e. migrate a 7.4 database to 8.0 without an initdb), any > suggestions on where to poke first? pg_upgrade is the way to go IMHO. I would not try to "dust off" the old shell-sc

[HACKERS] version upgrade

2004-08-30 Thread Andrew Rawnsley
If I were loony enough to want to make an attempt at a version updater (i.e. migrate a 7.4 database to 8.0 without an initdb), any suggestions on where to poke first? Does a catalog/list of system catalog changes exist anywhere? Any really gross problems immediately present themselves? Is dustin