Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-08 Thread Andreas Pflug
Magnus Hagander wrote: Specifically about the logs, I still think there is a lot of value to being able to read the logs remotely even if you can't restart postmaster. Since I believe that retrieving the logs easily without server file access is a feature that's welcomed by many users, here's my p

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
> > If I were trying to solve Andreas' problem, I'd pipe stderr > > to some program that stores recent log output in a file that > > I know the location of and can read from the hypothetical > > log-grabber function. Actually I don't see that there's any > > need to involve Postgres itself in

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Andreas Pflug
Tom Lane wrote: Andreas Pflug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What if there's no file access If you don't have any access to the machine then you are not really a DBA, you only play one on TV. However you may call me, I can think of many cases where I'd like to look at the server log, withou

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Tom Lane
Andreas Pflug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What if there's no file access If you don't have any access to the machine then you are not really a DBA, you only play one on TV. You can't for example start and stop the postmaster remotely. So I don't have a lot of sympathy for the notion that the l

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Andreas Pflug
Tom Lane wrote: If I were trying to solve Andreas' problem, I'd pipe stderr to some program that stores recent log output in a file that I know the location of and can read from the hypothetical log-grabber function. Actually I don't see that there's any need to involve Postgres itself in this iss

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Tom Lane
"Dave Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks Tom. I wonder if we (the pgAdmin team) finally need to bite the > proverbial bullet and write a helper daemon that can allow access to > logs as well as config files and pg_ctl etc. as an optional extra > component. Red Hat's RHDB group already did

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 June 2004 15:32 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Andreas Pflug; PostgreSQL Development > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file) > > > If I were trying to solve Andrea

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Tom Lane
"Dave Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... what about adding a GUC variable that can be used to specify an > amount of shared memory to use as a fifo area in which a copy of the log > output is stored for return to clients that might want it (accessing it > via internal functions)? No, that's a

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Andreas Pflug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hm, what I missed is that pg_ctl's -l parameter converts to a simple stderr redirection, and it's hardly possible to find out where it's going. This could be solved by a file log_destination option or a freopen(...,stderr) from a guc va

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Lane > Sent: 07 June 2004 14:30 > To: Andreas Pflug > Cc: PostgreSQL Development > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file) > > Andreas Pflug

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Tom Lane
Andreas Pflug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hm, what I missed is that pg_ctl's -l parameter converts to a simple > stderr redirection, and it's hardly possible to find out where it's going. > This could be solved by a file log_destination option or a > freopen(...,stderr) from a guc variable. An

Re: [HACKERS] serverlog function (log_destination file)

2004-06-07 Thread Andreas Pflug
Andreas Pflug wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Andreas Pflug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: For adminstrator's convenience, I'd like to see a function that returns the serverlog. What do you mean by "returns the serverlog"? Are you going to magically recover data that has gone to stderr or the syslogd