Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-20 Thread Ron Teitelbaum
Lets rest it. as people might guess, I am still sad about Squeak. lets say it like that: I *really* *really* believed in it (the whole thing, dynabook and all), and I still think one could have done much better than we have. And it's not a problem that it failed: it is a problem hat it was

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
The Pharo fork made me sad too. I wonder sometime if I had put in more time if I could have helped settle the rift and keep the community together. There is a lot of good work going on with Pharo now so maybe the fork was a good thing but I do wish we could all be working on one code base

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-20 Thread dimitris chloupis
the way I see it the fork really worked in your favor as Pharo is doing very well so far. Its hard to fork but even harder to share the same vision.  Personally I really love the fact that Pharo is made up of open minded people and that you are open to new ideas, yet you have the discipline to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-17 Thread Frank Shearar
On 16 January 2014 23:16, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 January 2014 21:15, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Le 16/01/2014 12:55, H. Hirzel a écrit : “We are not payed to work on Squeak”, that is what I got told… Probably correct at that time...

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-17 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 17 Jan 2014, at 11:27, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 January 2014 23:16, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 January 2014 21:15, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Le 16/01/2014 12:55, H. Hirzel a écrit : “We are not payed to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-17 Thread Frank Shearar
On 17 January 2014 10:49, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: On 17 Jan 2014, at 11:27, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 January 2014 23:16, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 January 2014 21:15, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Le

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-17 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2014/1/17 Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu This is usual attitude in corporate environment: you paying me to do the job, i do it and i don't care about the rest. Been there, ate that :) If I pay you to do X, and you spend all my money doing Y, you need a very good story explaining

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-17 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 17.01.2014 um 11:49 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu: On 17 Jan 2014, at 11:27, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 January 2014 23:16, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 January 2014 21:15, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-17 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Le 17/01/2014 00:16, Igor Stasenko a écrit : “We are not payed to work on Squeak”, that is what I got told… Probably correct at that time... This is usual attitude in corporate environment: you paying me to do the job, i do it and i don't care about the rest. Been there,

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-17 Thread Marcus Denker
On 17 Jan 2014, at 16:40, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Le 17/01/2014 00:16, Igor Stasenko a écrit : “We are not payed to work on Squeak”, that is what I got told… Probably correct at that time... This is usual attitude in corporate environment: you paying me to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-17 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 17 January 2014 12:24, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 January 2014 10:49, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: On 17 Jan 2014, at 11:27, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 January 2014 23:16, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-16 Thread H. Hirzel
On 1/15/14, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:04, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: Etoys should have contributed to Squeak when they had the resources. To secure their own future. “We are not payed to work on Squeak”, that is what I got told…

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-16 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Le 16/01/2014 12:55, H. Hirzel a écrit : “We are not payed to work on Squeak”, that is what I got told… Probably correct at that time... It doesn't matter. The silliness of such answer is the lack of vision and lack of community empowerment. Noteworthy however: Scratch is successful in

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-16 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 16 January 2014 21:15, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.comwrote: Le 16/01/2014 12:55, H. Hirzel a écrit : “We are not payed to work on Squeak”, that is what I got told… Probably correct at that time... This is usual attitude in corporate environment: you paying me to do the

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-15 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Le 15/01/2014 08:17, Marcus Denker a écrit : Scratch is very famous worldwide. A few days ago I heard about it in a national radio show about sciences. This is why Phratch al are jewels, to keep the lineage to Smalltalk ;-) No imagine how big the impact *could* have been if we would have

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-15 Thread Marcus Denker
On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:01, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: Le 15/01/2014 08:17, Marcus Denker a écrit : Scratch is very famous worldwide. A few days ago I heard about it in a national radio show about sciences. This is why Phratch al are jewels, to keep the lineage to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

2014-01-15 Thread Marcus Denker
On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:04, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: Etoys should have contributed to Squeak when they had the resources. To secure their own future. “We are not payed to work on Squeak”, that is what I got told… in a tone as if my questions was the dumbest question one