Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Can you elaborate on what is slow? > Is this only Pharo or also Squeak? > > Anything that hits the changes file such as compiling or many MC operations. e.g. When you see

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

I imagine that the snapshotting goes over the SourceFiles I also know that nicolas proposed a speed up of latin files. Stef On Jul 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Douglas Brebner wrote: > Adrian Lienhard wrote: >> Can you elaborate on what is slow? >> Is this only Pharo or also Squeak? >> >> > Anything t

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Douglas Brebner wrote: > Anything that hits the changes file such as compiling or many MC operations. > e.g. When you see the a popup saying "Snapshotting" it's time to go get > something to eat. > And yes, it affects Squeak too. Not only Squeak. Ever tried to open an OpenOffice document from a

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Can you elaborate on what is slow? > Is this only Pharo or also Squeak? > > Anything that hits the changes file such as compiling or many MC operations. e.g. When you see the a popup saying "Snapshotting" it's time to go get something to eat. And yes, it affects Squeak t

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Can you elaborate on what is slow? Is this only Pharo or also Squeak? Adrian On Jul 17, 2009, at 01:07 , Douglas Brebner wrote: > Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> Ok we will fix that for 1.0 >> right now we are not even in beta. >> >> > As a minor point, running Pharo on a network drive is *horrifical

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Ok we will fix that for 1.0 > right now we are not even in beta. > > As a minor point, running Pharo on a network drive is *horrifically* slow so don't do that :) ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inr

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Hernán Morales Durand wrote: > So, please correct me if I am wrong: > > 1) The most secure cross-fork way to update Monticello for clean images is > > HTTPSocket httpFileIn: 'ftp.squeak.org/3.11/scripts/LPF.st > '. that method is not supported in older squ

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

So, please correct me if I am wrong: 1) The most secure cross-fork way to update Monticello for clean images is HTTPSocket httpFileIn: 'ftp.squeak.org/3.11/scripts/LPF.st'. 2) Installer is necessary to update Monticello to 1.5 or 1.6 3) It is well-know that packages like OmniBrowser doesn't loa

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Hernán Morales Durand wrote: > Dear Keith > Can you please specify what's the proper way to update Monticello? > Is there a way to do it without the Installer package? If the > Installer package is really a must for updating Monticello, can you > point what is the right way to install the Install

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

I mean Monticello/PackageInfo Hernán 2009/7/14 Hernán Morales Durand > Dear Keith > Can you please specify what's the proper way to update Monticello? Is > there a way to do it without the Installer package? If the Installer package > is really a must for updating Monticello, can you point wh

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Dear Keith Can you please specify what's the proper way to update Monticello? Is there a way to do it without the Installer package? If the Installer package is really a must for updating Monticello, can you point what is the right way to install the Installer? Does the same procedure work equall

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Thanks esteban. > Hi Stef, > > 2009/7/14 Stéphane Ducasse : >> Hi estaban > [SNIP] > >>> As a side note, I downloaded the latest Cuis image from >>> http://www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html >>> , and its amazingly fast. > >> As a side note. We do not consider ourselves in competition with >> C

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Ok we will fix that for 1.0 right now we are not even in beta. Stef > Users don't know the details and they don't care. If they open a Pharo > image and its slow, then this just gives a bad impression. If people > start telling each other "Pharo is slow", we will loose reputation > that is very h

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi estaban > > >> I recently downloaded the latest Pharo Dev and Web images, and also >> the 2.8.4 one-click (which seems to be based on the Pharo image and >> VM too). >> >> And I found out that its performance is terrible, it takes forever >> (you perceive the d

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > Hi all, > > 2009/7/14 Mariano Martinez Peck : > >> Users don't know the details and they don't care. If they open a Pharo > >> image and its slow, then this just gives a bad impression. If people > >> start telling each other "Pharo

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Hi all, 2009/7/14 Mariano Martinez Peck : >> Users don't know the details and they don't care. If they open a Pharo >> image and its slow, then this just gives a bad impression. If people >> start telling each other "Pharo is slow", we will loose reputation >> that is very hard to win back. > +99

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Hi Stef, 2009/7/14 Stéphane Ducasse : > Hi estaban [SNIP] >> As a side note, I downloaded the latest Cuis image from >> http://www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html >> , and its amazingly fast. > As a side note. We do not consider ourselves in competition with Cuis. > We integrated more than 1500 b

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

. > > Users don't know the details and they don't care. If they open a Pharo > image and its slow, then this just gives a bad impression. If people > start telling each other "Pharo is slow", we will loose reputation > that is very hard to win back. > + I recommend Ph

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Yes david is working on that. I removed the package in senders and 'm working on a replacement for Package info (but not for tomorrow), Stef On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > We really need to change this situation. > > As Lukas pointed out, its not the OmniBrowser implemen

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Adrian Lienhard pravi: > We really need to change this situation. > > As Lukas pointed out, its not the OmniBrowser implementation that is > slow. There are some extended features of OmniBrowser that use > computation intensive or inefficient parts of the system like > PackageInfo. I really

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

We really need to change this situation. As Lukas pointed out, its not the OmniBrowser implementation that is slow. There are some extended features of OmniBrowser that use computation intensive or inefficient parts of the system like PackageInfo. I really appreciate all these cool new featu

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

> And I found out that its performance is terrible, it takes forever (you > perceive the delay) to open a browser, browse senders, change a method > selection on the OB or even do a "print-it" on a workspace. I use images that have the same tools loaded as the Seaside One-Click image for all my de

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Hi estaban > I recently downloaded the latest Pharo Dev and Web images, and also > the 2.8.4 one-click (which seems to be based on the Pharo image and > VM too). > > And I found out that its performance is terrible, it takes forever > (you perceive the delay) to open a browser, browse sender

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

>> > > Maybe we should point that out somewhere as we promote the dev-images > as being "Pharo"? > As we can see from some of the discussion on the Squeak list people > then think Pharo in general is dog slow... easy for them. Damien could you start to make pharo-dev having less tools and that we

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > take the core image. > The default tools in web dev are too slow right now. Maybe we should point that out somewhere as we promote the dev-images as being "Pharo"? As we can see from some of the discussion on the Squeak list people then t

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

take the core image. The default tools in web dev are too slow right now. Stef On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:05 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > Hi, > > I recently downloaded the latest Pharo Dev and Web images, and also > the 2.8.4 one-click (which seems to be based on the Pharo image and > VM to

[Pharo-project] Pharo-Dev/web Image slowness

Hi, I recently downloaded the latest Pharo Dev and Web images, and also the 2.8.4 one-click (which seems to be based on the Pharo image and VM too). And I found out that its performance is terrible, it takes forever (you perceive the delay) to open a browser, browse senders, change a method selec