Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Hilaire We were discussing this with Esteban and he will do a stab at making sure that we can deploy desktop applications much easier with Pharo. Because we need it. Esteban deployed several desktop apps in the past and we should leverage this knowledge. I also wants to write this in a

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

+ 100 On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> On 28 Jul 2017, at 15:13, p...@highoctane.be wrote: >> >> Changing too many things at once is indeed annoying. >> >> Now, I am ready to live with that but at one point, I think that we will >> have to move to

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

We understand that perfectly. Now for us we get money now and may be not the same in the future. Then there are the things that - must be done and consume a lot: 64bits, uFFI, - super important to do git - also super important: cleaning and improving the system. So we pay attention for

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > > On 28 Jul 2017, at 15:13, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > > > Changing too many things at once is indeed annoying. > > > > Now, I am ready to live with that but at one point, I think that we will > have to move to

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

The main problem is DrGeo is one a few software in the community to be deployed as a desktop app. All the others are dev software (Calypso, Roassal, MOOSE) or web-based app that don't need specific work for deployment. I need to deployed simulation engines that we are building with my team

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Serge, The only reason I decided to port DrGeo from Squeak to Pharo is because the project wanted to be business centric with features evolution. Changes was not annoying me, it is one reason I decided to switch to Pharo. But still after many years, I find Pharo frustrating for one willing

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Changes is ok. What annoying is announced new feature of P6, but not palpable for common mortal as me (whose main occupation is teaching to teenagers and programming a hobby): * Pharo can now be bootstrapped from source code managed by Git Will a new Pharo user entering Pharo programming

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

> On 28 Jul 2017, at 15:13, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > Changing too many things at once is indeed annoying. > > Now, I am ready to live with that but at one point, I think that we will have > to move to something like I see done in other fast evolving ecosystems. > > In Hadoop for example,

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Changing too many things at once is indeed annoying. Now, I am ready to live with that but at one point, I think that we will have to move to something like I see done in other fast evolving ecosystems. In Hadoop for example, Hortonworks (a distribution) moved to a set of slow evolving substrate

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Hilaire We invested 3 years of PhD of Guillermo + 8 months of hard work of christophe and guillermo. Pavel spent years to produce the mini image and now with the bootstrap it is opening a lot of possibilities. We will do it and it will work. And ***I LOVE THEIR WORK***. I DREAMED about it more

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Just to chip in - I hope we can get past this bump (and I think it is a bump). I am actually ecstatic that recent improvements - a 64bit vm, a minimal image and git integration, have opened the door to Pharo working on AWS Lambda. Also having a CI system to help crank these things out is also a

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Hilaire wrote: > I don't share your enthusiasm. > > I once set up a satisfactory build environment for DrGeo, based on P3. As > long as I stay with P3, I can concentrate on DrGeo code: write the code, > then fire up a build script to deploy the

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

I don't share your enthusiasm. I once set up a satisfactory build environment for DrGeo, based on P3. As long as I stay with P3, I can concentrate on DrGeo code: write the code, then fire up a build script to deploy the application. Now porting to P6 is a pain: the infrastructure to deploy a

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Indeed. I dreamed about the bootstrap in 2002 :) so now I enjoy it :) What I can tell you is that we will do another pass because we want Pharo core around 200 k + 300 k for a slow vm. And we will have one guy working on it during his PhD. We will continue to push with Pavel, christophe and guille

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

> On 22. Jul 2017, at 12:07, Stephane Ducasse wrote: > > Hi holger Hey Stef! > "the growth from Pharo3->Pharo6" us too :) > this is why we invested in the bootstrap and this is why we will > remove (and we started) packages and classes. > And this is also why we

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

I really find it hard to believe !! Le 22/07/2017 à 12:04, Stephane Ducasse a écrit : Yes but there are not concrete enough for me:) -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Hi Holger, With Pharo3 I was proceeding like this, by uninstallation of packages. However there is the promise of building from a minimal image, but it is not documented AFAIK. By curiosity, what is the size of your resulting image. Hilaire Le 22/07/2017 à 10:43, Holger Freyther a écrit :

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

You are welcome. I also wrote here a few days ago about it. The bug is Morphic specific. Hilaire Le 22/07/2017 à 09:03, Tudor Girba a écrit : Aha. Thanks for the clarification. Doru On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Hilaire wrote: The problem is explained in the ticket:

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Hi holger "the growth from Pharo3->Pharo6" us too :) this is why we invested in the bootstrap and this is why we will remove (and we started) packages and classes. And this is also why we will continue to repackage the system. Stef On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Holger Freyther

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Yes but there are not concrete enough for me :) On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Hilaire wrote: > Hi Stefane, > > Did you read the bug tickets in my previous email? > > Hilaire > > Le 21/07/2017 à 18:08, Stephane Ducasse a écrit : > > I do not understand what the issues that

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

> On 21. Jul 2017, at 11:19, Hilaire wrote: > > Hello people, Hi! > Here are a few critical issues due to bugs or lack of information or feature > for porting Dr. Geo to P6. There were others critical issues from P6 but were > resolved and will be hopefully integrated,

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Aha. Thanks for the clarification. Doru > On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Hilaire wrote: > > The problem is explained in the ticket: there is a bug in the position where > the drgeo menu shows up when encapsulated in the Playground. It is not > related to Glamour however. I

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

The problem is explained in the ticket: there is a bug in the position where the drgeo menu shows up when encapsulated in the Playground. It is not related to Glamour however. I may just decide to remove the Dr. Geo menu to avoid the bug. Le 21/07/2017 à 20:50, Tudor Girba a écrit : Can you

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Hi, Can you detail your needs regarding the integration with Playground? Cheers, Doru > On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Hilaire wrote: > > Hello people, > > Here are a few critical issues due to bugs or lack of information or feature > for porting Dr. Geo to P6. There were

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Hi Stefane, Did you read the bug tickets in my previous email? Hilaire Le 21/07/2017 à 18:08, Stephane Ducasse a écrit : I do not understand what the issues that you need in Pharo 60. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Hilaire I do not understand what the issues that you need in Pharo 60. Stef On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Hilaire wrote: > Hello people, > > Here are a few critical issues due to bugs or lack of information or feature > for porting Dr. Geo to P6. There were others

[Pharo-users] Critical issues for Dr. Geo on P6

Hello people, Here are a few critical issues due to bugs or lack of information or feature for porting Dr. Geo to P6. There were others critical issues from P6 but were resolved and will be hopefully integrated, when ? * Minimal Dr. Geo image *