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At 13:27 3/5/2001, Jani Taskinen wrote: >I just want to remind everyone that the 4.0.6 is suppose to have mainly >bug fixes..or wasn't this agreed on yet? Yes it was. Zeev -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

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On Thu, 03 May 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: > At 13:27 3/5/2001, Jani Taskinen wrote: > >I just want to remind everyone that the 4.0.6 is suppose to have mainly > >bug fixes..or wasn't this agreed on yet? > > Yes it was. Does that mean I should take my array_map() and array_filter() functions out?

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At 08:35 AM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >On Thu, 03 May 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > At 13:27 3/5/2001, Jani Taskinen wrote: > > >I just want to remind everyone that the 4.0.6 is suppose to have mainly > > >bug fixes..or wasn't this agreed on yet? > > > > Yes it was. > >Does that mean

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On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > Nah but I think it means that you shouldn't add any more array_foobar() > functions before 4.0.7-dev :) Geez, just when I finished array_foobar().. > By the way, what happened to that array_defined() or whatever function > which was added? Didn't we s

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At 08:45 AM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > Nah but I think it means that you shouldn't add any more array_foobar() > > functions before 4.0.7-dev :) > >Geez, just when I finished array_foobar().. :) > > By the way, what happened to that array

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On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > >key_exists(), you mean? I didn't put it in, and as far as I know it's > >still there. > > I'd really like to nuke it. I can sort of see his point really, if $array['foo'] = NULL there is no way to know whether key 'foo' exists or not.. -Andrei * Power

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At 16:46 3/5/2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: >> > By the way, what happened to that array_defined() or whatever function >> > which was added? Didn't we say it should be nuked? isset() and empty() are >> > enough IMO especially as NULL is used as undefined. >> >>key_exists(), you mean? I didn't put it i

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At 08:48 AM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > >key_exists(), you mean? I didn't put it in, and as far as I know it's > > >still there. > > > > I'd really like to nuke it. > >I can sort of see his point really, if $array['foo'] = NULL there is no >

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On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > Yeah but I'm afraid it'll make scripts be written on behavior which > shouldn't be counted on. > Maybe in future versions of Zend $array['foo'] won't be defined. There are > certain situations where I think it was impossible to not define it so it > wa

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At 08:53 AM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > Yeah but I'm afraid it'll make scripts be written on behavior which > > shouldn't be counted on. > > Maybe in future versions of Zend $array['foo'] won't be defined. There are > > certain situations wh

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Hmmm, looks like the MySQL module was changed to add NULL elements to the array. It even looks as if you changed it :) I intentionally removed the code that populated return values with NULL's, to avoid inconsistencies. People should use the mysql_fetch_field() to check which fields there are

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At 16:56 3/5/2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: Um, but some db extensions return NULL values as part of the array, so >>if column 'foo' is NULL in the db, you'd want the result array to have >>NULL under key 'foo' - it just won't do to have that column be missing. > >Yeah but you can use === NULL for thos

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On Thu, 03 May 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Hmmm, looks like the MySQL module was changed to add NULL elements to the > array. It even looks as if you changed it :) > I intentionally removed the code that populated return values with NULL's, > to avoid inconsistencies. People should use the mys

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I very much agree with Andrei on this. Please, keep the existing functionality. Although, I'm not familiar with any issues possibly connected with this. Does it hurt anything? At 16:03 3.5. 2001, Andrei Zmievski wrote the following:

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At 17:20 3/5/2001, Cynic wrote: >I very much agree with Andrei on this. Please, keep the >existing functionality. > >Although, I'm not familiar with any issues possibly connected >with this. Does it hurt anything? Yes, it requires adding of functions that duplicate isset()'s behavior in a way th

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On Thu, 03 May 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Yes, it requires adding of functions that duplicate isset()'s behavior in a > way that may change in the future (implementation dependent). What do you mean? You won't be able to store NULL's in the arrays? -Andrei * I don't mind going nowhere as long

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On Thu, 3 May 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: >At 17:20 3/5/2001, Cynic wrote: >>I very much agree with Andrei on this. Please, keep the >>existing functionality. >> >>Although, I'm not familiar with any issues possibly connected >>with this. Does it hurt anything? > >Yes, it requires adding of functio

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What about an isnull() function, opposed to key_exists(); IsPossible()? "Zeev Suraski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > At 16:46 3/5/2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > >> > By the way, what happened to that array_defined() or whatever function > >> > w

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At 10:43 AM 5/3/2001 -0400, Joe Brown wrote: >What about an isnull() function, opposed to key_exists(); > >IsPossible()? Yeah that's definitely a possiblity but then you'd have to do something like. if (isset($a["foo"]) || isnull($a["foo")) Kind of sucky. But we should think of a good resolution

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No plans to do anything at this point. You can keep all your hairs in tact :) Zeev At 17:42 3/5/2001, Jani Taskinen wrote: >On Thu, 3 May 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > >At 17:20 3/5/2001, Cynic wrote: > >>I very much agree with Andrei on this. Please, keep the > >>existing functionality. > >> >

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RTFM :)) http://www.php.net/manual/en/html/function.is-null.html At 16:47 3.5. 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote the following: -- >At 10:43 AM 5/3/2001 -0400, Joe Brown wrote: >>What about an isnull() function, opposed to key_exists(); >> >>Is

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On Thu, 3 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > At 10:43 AM 5/3/2001 -0400, Joe Brown wrote: > >What about an isnull() function, opposed to key_exists(); > > > >IsPossible()? > > Yeah that's definitely a possiblity but then you'd have to do something like. > if (isset($a["foo"]) || isnull($a["foo")) >

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If $a is undefined and you do is_null($a) I supposed you get true. I was talking about a language construct which will give false in this case. Anyway, it's not something I think we should change right now. I think Andrei's MySQL patch should be reverted though. Many people are doing isset($row[

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At 11:01 PM 5/2/2001 -0400, Sterling Hughes wrote: >IsAvailable() > >[sterling@localhost standard]$ grep is_null * >basic_functions.c: PHP_FE(is_null, >first_arg_allow_ref) >basic_functions.c:/* {{{ proto bool is_null(mixed var) >basic_functions.c:PHP_FUNCTION(is_null) >basic_functions.h:PHP_

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On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > Anyway, it's not something I think we should change right now. > I think Andrei's MySQL patch should be reverted though. Many people are > doing isset($row["foo"]) on their MySQL query results. Today if "foo" is > NULL it will return false. If this is e

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At 10:17 AM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > Anyway, it's not something I think we should change right now. > > I think Andrei's MySQL patch should be reverted though. Many people are > > doing isset($row["foo"]) on their MySQL query results. Tod

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At 18:17 3/5/2001, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >Also, have you seen people complain about my patch to MySQL that adds >NULL's to the result set? Sure. I just did. :) Adding an isnull() language construct may be the right way to solve this situation; key_exists() and the today's function is_null()

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On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > >Also, have you seen people complain about my patch to MySQL that adds > >NULL's to the result set? > > No because isset() returns false for NULL values. But many people would > like it to return true, and then it would break people's scripts. I guess

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On Thu, 03 May 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Sure. I just did. :) > > Adding an isnull() language construct may be the right way to solve this > situation; key_exists() and the today's function is_null() are both > functions that duplicate language-level functionality, and shouldn't exist > IM

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At 10:24 AM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > >Also, have you seen people complain about my patch to MySQL that adds > > >NULL's to the result set? > > > > No because isset() returns false for NULL values. But many people would > > like it to retu

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At 18:25 3/5/2001, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >On Thu, 03 May 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > Sure. I just did. :) > > > > Adding an isnull() language construct may be the right way to solve this > > situation; key_exists() and the today's function is_null() are both > > functions that duplicate langu

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This should be wrong. If $a is not set, then it cannot be set to null... "Andi Gutmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > If $a is undefined and you do is_null($a) I supposed you get true. > I was talking about a language construct which will give

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On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > How do you know today if it's NULL or not? is_null()? -Andrei We all have photographic memories, it's just that some of us don't have any film. -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For addit

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At 10:38 AM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > How do you know today if it's NULL or not? > >is_null()? is_null() will also return true if it's undefined. Andi -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAI

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is_null() should return false if a variable is not set. isset() should be used to test for variables existance, not is_null(). This is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Those whom deviate from my opinion are wrong in my opinion!!! -Joe "Andi Gutmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMA

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At 01:04 PM 5/3/2001 -0400, Joe Brown wrote: >is_null() should return false if a variable is not set. Well it doesn't. There ya go :) >isset() should be used to test for variables existance, not is_null(). > >This is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Those whom deviate from my >opinion are wro

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On Thu, 3 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > At 08:53 AM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > >Um, but some db extensions return NULL values as part of the array, so > >if column 'foo' is NULL in the db, you'd want the result array to have > >NULL under key 'foo' - it just won't do to have that

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In my humble opinion 'null' is a 'pseudovalue' that has been made available for some time. If it was never intended for a script to be able to use it, it should never have been exposed. But it has been and many people, myself included, are using it. It is particularly useful to mark a value tha

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At 08:48 PM 5/3/2001 -0400, David Croft wrote: >In my humble opinion 'null' is a 'pseudovalue' that has been made >available for some time. If it was never intended for a script to be able >to use it, it should never have been exposed. But it has been and many >people, myself included, are using

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Err, as you say, PHP should make things easy. I don't see how making tell NULL from an undefined variable makes anything easier. At 15:49 3.5. 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote the following: -- >At 08:48 AM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wro

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insert "impossible" somewhere in the sentence to make it make sense. At 16:04 3.5. 2001, Cynic wrote the following: -- >Err, as you say, PHP should make things easy. I don't see how >making tell NULL from an undefined variable makes an

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> On Thu, 03 May 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > Yeah but I'm afraid it'll make scripts be written on behavior which > > shouldn't be counted on. > > Maybe in future versions of Zend $array['foo'] won't be defined. There are > > certain situations where I think it was impossible to not define it so

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At 06:31 PM 5/3/01 -0500, Richard Lynch wrote: >Um, lots of people use isset($row['foo]) to detect NULL in the database... > >Are you going to change that behaviour? > >Don't. > >If the column is missing, they screwed up their SQL, which is not within the >pervue of PHP to fix in the first place..

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At 07:02 PM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >At 06:31 PM 5/3/01 -0500, Richard Lynch wrote: >>Um, lots of people use isset($row['foo]) to detect NULL in the database... >> >>Are you going to change that behaviour? >> >>Don't. >> >>If the column is missing, they screwed up their SQL, which i

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At 03:14 AM 5/4/01 +0300, Andi Gutmans wrote: >Not exactly. No matter if it is set to NULL or unset then isset() will >give the same result. >And most people use isset() AFAIK. Whatever the current situation, there needs to be a way to check whether a certain array entry is NULL or not. -Andre

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At 07:16 PM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: >At 03:14 AM 5/4/01 +0300, Andi Gutmans wrote: >>Not exactly. No matter if it is set to NULL or unset then isset() will >>give the same result. >>And most people use isset() AFAIK. > >Whatever the current situation, there needs to be a way to che

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Question: Is is_null() an alias for isset()? Based on this statement and my understanding of both funcitons, it should be. "Andi Gutmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > At 07:02 PM 5/3/2001 -0500, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > >At 06:31 PM 5/3/01 -

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At 17:30 4/5/2001, Joe Brown wrote: >Question: >Is is_null() an alias for isset()? > >Based on this statement and my understanding of both funcitons, it should >be. No it's not, it's a function. As such, it cannot detect whether a variable exists and has a null value, or is undefined completely

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On Fri, 4 May 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: > At 17:30 4/5/2001, Joe Brown wrote: > >Question: > >Is is_null() an alias for isset()? > > > >Based on this statement and my understanding of both funcitons, it should > >be. > > No it's not, it's a function. As such, it cannot detect whether a variable