Luke wrote:
I can't say I've ever used a framework.
I like to be in control of all of my code, plus it's much more satisfying
when you write everything yourself (I've found anyway)...
If I want to make use of existing code, I rather have a good
understanding and a grasp of the philosophy
I can't say I've ever used a framework.
I like to be in control of all of my code, plus it's much more satisfying
when you write everything yourself (I've found anyway)...
2008/10/8 paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PHP framework vs just php ?
http://paul-m-jones.com/?p=315
according to the
Farid,
I like to use PRADO(www.pradosoft.com), it is very easy to use for
those who are coming from Microsoft .Net platform as it uses the same
architecture. I did not like symfony, too much to read before the
first example.
Angelo
2008/10/6 farid lópez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
what is your
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 11:20 -0300, uaca man wrote:
Farid,
I like to use PRADO(www.pradosoft.com), it is very easy to use for
those who are coming from Microsoft .Net platform as it uses the same
architecture. I did not like symfony, too much to read before the
first example.
Angelo
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:47:54 +0100, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't frameworks introduce a lot more overhead to projects though?
Ash
www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Any generic code library adds overhead. How much and whether or not it's
acceptable depends on the framework and
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Ashley Sheridan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 11:20 -0300, uaca man wrote:
Farid,
I like to use PRADO(www.pradosoft.com), it is very easy to use for
those who are coming from Microsoft .Net platform as it uses the same
architecture. I did not
PHP framework vs just php ?
http://paul-m-jones.com/?p=315
according to the benchmark.Just PHP win by more than 100% to average framework.
even the fastest solar only manage to serve 154pages/sec compare to
just php 1320pages/sec
call me outdated. but i stay with just php!
On 10/8/08, Eric
Tony Marston wrote:
I agree that finding the right framework to use can be very difficult, which
is why a lot of programmers (like me) prefer to roll their own. But if you
can find an off-the-shelf framework that does the job it can save you an
awful amount of time.
I agree with Tony.
I
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:41 AM, clive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Tony.
And you raise the dead. That thread died five and a half months
ago Let it rest in peace! ;-P
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Intel 2.4GHz/60GB/512MB/2TB $49.99/mo.
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On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Daniel Brown wrote:
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:41 AM, clive [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I agree with Tony.
And you raise the dead. That thread died five and a half months
ago Let it rest in peace! ;-P
But... Which framework is better? :P
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Jason Pruim
Lets raise the dead once more.
I have been using the Prado framework, prado uses the .net
architecture, so it is easy and fast to learn for those who came from
a Microsoft platform, anyway prado is very good to build UI, but there
is always a *but*!! Prado database abstraction model it is just
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But... Which framework is better? :P
Oh my.. now we're gonna get all those guys popping back up telling us how
dumb we are and how awesome their frameworks are again!
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www.canishosting.com - Plans start @
To be or not to be dump it your choice.
My framework it not just awesome it is super awesome.
Angelo
2008/10/6 Dan Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But... Which framework is better? :P
Oh my.. now we're gonna get all those
what is your framework??? uacaman.
i'm using symfony, but i'm reading the book. it's hard but there are so many
things you can do easily with symfony!
2008/10/7 uaca man [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To be or not to be dump it your choice.
My framework it not just awesome it is super awesome.
Angelo
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:46:14PM +0200, Aschwin Wesselius wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
'If it isn't broken don't fix it' causes a problem when YOU know that the
step change will make future development easier, but the customers keep
asking - 'Can you just add XXX' :(
So they actually
On Wednesday 23 April 2008 21:29:40 tedd wrote:
At 5:24 PM +0300 4/22/08, Sancar Saran wrote:
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
Yes, and I'm programming with it.
But, that's what jQuery and I call a library.
Cheers,
Name it whatever you
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Sancar Saran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It works. It needs to read tons of docs before writing someting useful and it
was [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ to writing programs with zend framework.
It has tons of real unit tests to know it really works. Plus there
are a lot of
On Thursday 24 April 2008 14:52:12 Eric Butera wrote:
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Sancar Saran [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It works. It needs to read tons of docs before writing someting useful
and it was [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ to writing programs with zend framework.
It has tons of real
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Sancar Saran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks, with your answer my mind flashes
I wish I shared your passion on things! I started out with functional
programming using various languages. PHP was the first time I
attempted writing classes. The reason I wanted
[snip]
...laugh...
[/snip]
I did a quick and dirty of just one of those functions. This function
takes a table and creates a form based on the table. It needs quite a
bit of refining, but I am willing to share and let you guys and gals
throw suggestions;
function formCreate($database, $table,
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 22:11 +0800, paragasu wrote:
I'm guessing, since you quoted os-commerce and phpBB, you don't know
shit code when you see it. Just because it's popular doesn't mean the
code is good. Have you ever tried to modify either of these? What a
mess.
honestly, i don't and not
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 10:07 -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:54 AM, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i can only think of copy paste method if i were required to write a PHP
application
without a single line of code even a simple hello world! application.
i am
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 01:02 +0800, paragasu wrote:
imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web
based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u
can
do it :D
-nathan
i am going to miss the fun doing programming then.
As a
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
Tony Marston wrote:
Audit logging - http://www.tonymarston.net/php-mysql/auditlog.html
Workflow - http://www.tonymarston.net/php-mysql/workflow.html
Yuck - MySQL :(
A decent database has it's own logging stuff built in ;)
And a decent database library does not care which database you use :)
I
Lester Caine wrote:
'If it isn't broken don't fix it' causes a problem when YOU know that
the step change will make future development easier, but the customers
keep asking - 'Can you just add XXX' :(
So they actually ask for a porn site?
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On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:46 +0200, Aschwin Wesselius wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
'If it isn't broken don't fix it' causes a problem when YOU know that
the step change will make future development easier, but the customers
keep asking - 'Can you just add XXX' :(
So they actually ask
[snip]
Let me know when as I could do with a good laugh.
[/snip]
Fair enough, you have already given me several! :)
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At the risk of extending this already looong thread...
Ah, screw it.
I actually read all of the Radicore documentation on Monday following
someone's suggestion last week about module access control. That was
before this thread got started, BTW. Now I'm not a Framework guy at
all, and I don't
At 3:35 PM +0100 4/22/08, Stut wrote:
Tony Marston wrote:
No I'm not.
Shocking and unexpected opinion from the developer of a framework. NOT!
Anyway, I can see this falling into another lengthy discussion so
I'll get my contribution in early to avoid disappointment.
As others have
At 5:24 PM +0300 4/22/08, Sancar Saran wrote:
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
Yes, and I'm programming with it.
But, that's what jQuery and I call a library.
Cheers,
tedd
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On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:29 PM, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 5:24 PM +0300 4/22/08, Sancar Saran wrote:
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
Yes, and I'm programming with it.
But, that's what jQuery and I call a library.
interestingly,
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=define%3A+frameworkbtnG=Google+Search
Lots of differing opinions. :) Seeing as script.aculo.us and all
that stuff is written on
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=define%3A+frameworkbtnG=Google+Search
Lots of differing
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:14 -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework.
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wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:14 -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:50 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:50 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 20:32 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:50 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP application
which contains 130 database tables, 230 relationships and 1000
On 4/22/08, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application.
I agree , you couldn't avoid using a framework unless you're writing a
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Tony Marston
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:06 +0800, Kinch Zhang wrote:
On 4/22/08, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application.
I
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
application
which contains 130 database tables, 230 relationships and 1000
At 9:06 PM +0800 4/22/08, Kinch Zhang wrote:
On 4/22/08, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application.
I agree , you
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:25 +0800, paragasu wrote:
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
application
which
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application. ..If you think you can achieve the same
level of productivity WITHOUT a framework then you are living in cloud
paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
application
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think you can achieve the same
I'm guessing, since you quoted os-commerce and phpBB, you don't know
shit code when you see it. Just because it's popular doesn't mean the
code is good. Have you ever tried to modify either of these? What a
mess.
honestly, i don't and not really interested to dig inside thus code. but i
guess,
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
You are really doing tons of things with much less code.
And jQuery was javaScript thingy and in php world nothing was comperable.
My toughts about php frame work was;
All those frameworks claim their way was
All those frameworks claim their way was perfect for making love
good joke sancar. i do not see any connection between framework and making
love.
if making love what you looking for. Porn might be a good answer for you.
And I say, I'm 34 years old, and I got enough knowladge to how to make
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think you can
On Apr 22, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Sancar Saran wrote:
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
You are really doing tons of things with much less code.
And jQuery was javaScript thingy and in php world nothing was
comperable.
My toughts about php frame
Try looking in my signature at http://www.radicore.org
wow! i read your personal website and have it on my bookmark list. i salute
you =)
[snip]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think you can achieve the same
level of productivity WITHOUT a framework then you are living in
On 4/22/08, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think you can achieve the same
level
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[snip]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think you can
Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tony Marston
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip!]
The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
create a new database table, then write the components to maintain the
contents of that table. I can do this in 5 minutes without having to
[snip]
The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
create a new database table, then write the components to maintain the
contents of that table. I can do this in 5 minutes without having to
write a
single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're
Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tony Marston
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip!]
The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
create a new database table, then write the components to maintain
Tony Marston wrote:
Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is not the only real measure of a good framework, it is just one of
many. I wrote a tool a long time ago that does the table/form/query bit
in well under 5 minutes with several permutations. A good framework is
I had never heard this before. Silly me I thought the real
measure of a good framework was how much of the monotony of coding
was removed, how many problems solved, et cetera.
So I guess the BASh script I just whipped up a few seconds ago
could be classified as a good
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wrote:
[snip]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework
I can do this in 5 minutes without having to write a
single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're not in
the same league.
-Tony Marston
i can only think of copy paste method if i were required to write a PHP
application
without a single line of code even a simple hello
Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Tony Marston wrote:
Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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[snip]
If you don't use a framework then
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:54 AM, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i can only think of copy paste method if i were required to write a PHP
application
without a single line of code even a simple hello world! application.
i am really cannot be in the same league :( . well, i might have to
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:54 AM, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can do this in 5 minutes without having to write a
single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're not in
the same league.
-Tony Marston
i can only think of copy paste method if i were required to
Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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I had never heard this before. Silly me I thought the real
measure of a good framework was how much of the monotony of coding
was removed, how many problems solved, et cetera.
So I guess the BASh script I just
[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
update
and delete records from this table without writing even a single line of
code? Can you do this with immediate access to a role based access
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
update
and delete records from this table without writing even a
imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web
based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u
can
do it :D
-nathan
i am going to miss the fun doing programming then.
As a comparison, framework is like a canned food. available anytime you
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:02 AM, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web
based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u
can
do it :D
-nathan
i am going to miss the fun doing programming
But then, this debate comes up about once a month because people don't
know how to RTFA of this list.
And I don't know about you, but I've written a BASH script to work with my
PHP script to work with an API to deal with relational and flat files and
mail interfaces that takes me 1
[snip]
Yes, and it doesn't take 5 minutes.
Then where can us mere mortals download this wonderful framework so that
we
can all share in your wizardry?
[/snip]
It is not a framework, it is a set of functions. But since we are in a
semantical discussion about frameworks then this re-usable code
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
update
and delete records from this table without
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
Yes, and it doesn't take 5 minutes.
Then where can us mere mortals download this wonderful framework so that
we can all share in your wizardry?
[/snip]
It is not a framework, it is a set of functions. But since
Frameworks not only are great for piecing together an application quickly
with user management, content filtering, access control, etc..., there is
another HUGE advantage to using a framework.
If the framework you are using has a thriving community behind it, the
framework will constantly get
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
I didn't originally want to get in the middle of a fist fight, but I've been
reading this all
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
It is not available for download but it has been reviewed by peers on
several project teams who have used it. It was developed specifically
for a company who
Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts
which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an
Dan Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tony Marston
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
I didn't originally
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
It is not available for download
So your claims cannot be substantiated by
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
It is not available for download
So your claims cannot be
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