If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but 
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to writing 
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP application 
which contains 130 database tables, 230 relationships and 1000 transactions. 
Because I used a proper framework I managed to complete all of this in just 
6 months. The framework allowed me to generate initial working components 
without having to write any code whatsoever - no PHP, no HTML and no SQL - 
so that I could spend the bulk of my time on the really important stuff, 
which is implementing the business rules. That is the benefit of a proper 
framework - it takes care of the boring repetitive stuff and leaves you more 
time to deal with the tricky stuff. If you think you can achieve the same 
level of productivity WITHOUT a framework then you are living in cloud 
cuckoo land.

-- 
Tony Marston
http://www.tonymarston.net
http://www.radicore.org

"paragasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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> honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding.
> i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter.
> I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next
> project.
>
> the thing is, i already develop few working library. no matter how hard i
> look into it. i always find it is easier or simpler to work with just php
> code and it work just fine.
> simple code and i think faster than using complicated php framework.
>
> i target my code to use specific  server configuration. the only 
> advantages
> of using framework
> is cross server version (i don't need it). since everyone out there 
> talking
> about framework.
> i still prefer using just php.
>
> i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way.
> anyone out there still doing php without using framework?
> 



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