Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-19 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/13/08, Andrés Robinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry dude, RoR is still an academic toy. Wrong. I've worked with a team of 12 or so Ruby/Rails developers rewriting a Java/Oracle electronic medical record to use Rails/PostgreSQL instead. Hundreds of tables in a real-life app for real-wor

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-14 Thread tedd
At 4:24 PM +0100 3/14/08, Aschwin Wesselius wrote: tedd wrote: At 9:19 PM -0400 3/13/08, Robert Cummings wrote: - $SJHSKJ mentions Nazis Aha, you lose. You were the first to mention Nazis. :-) Hey, at least I've learned something today. I thought he was joking about Godwin's Law and wha

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-14 Thread Aschwin Wesselius
tedd wrote: At 9:19 PM -0400 3/13/08, Robert Cummings wrote: - $z asserts $a or claims $b - $y disagrees with $a or $b or both and responds with rebuttal $h and makes claims $c, $d, sometimes $e - $z responds with rebuttal $i and often asserts a few other things that well

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-14 Thread tedd
At 9:19 PM -0400 3/13/08, Robert Cummings wrote: - $z asserts $a or claims $b - $y disagrees with $a or $b or both and responds with rebuttal $h and makes claims $c, $d, sometimes $e - $z responds with rebuttal $i and often asserts a few other things that well call $f, $g

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-14 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 03. 14, péntek keltezéssel 08.52-kor Aschwin Wesselius ezt írta: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > It works like follows... > > > > - $z asserts $a or claims $b > > - $y disagrees with $a or $b or both and responds with rebuttal $h > > and makes claims $c, $d, sometimes $e > > -

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-14 Thread Aschwin Wesselius
Robert Cummings wrote: It works like follows... - $z asserts $a or claims $b - $y disagrees with $a or $b or both and responds with rebuttal $h and makes claims $c, $d, sometimes $e - $z responds with rebuttal $i and often asserts a few other things that well call $f, $g

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 22:39 +0100, Aschwin Wesselius wrote: > Andrés Robinet wrote: > > why don't you show us your > > PHP work instead? Maybe you like RoR more because you suck at PHP. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rob > > Hi, can somebody please point out something to me? Did I miss something? > Is

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Gustavo Narea
Oh, I get it. Thank you! On Wednesday 12 March 2008 15:26:01 Richard Heyes wrote: > > I'm wondering what's wrong with the use of __autoload(), since I see that > > projects like the Zend Framework don't use it and prefer to require_once > > each required file. > > Things that happen without you e

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Børge Holen
On Thursday 13 March 2008 22:39:51 Aschwin Wesselius wrote: > Andrés Robinet wrote: > > why don't you show us your > > PHP work instead? Maybe you like RoR more because you suck at PHP. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rob > > Hi, can somebody please point out something to me? Did I miss something? > Is th

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Aschwin Wesselius
Andrés Robinet wrote: why don't you show us your PHP work instead? Maybe you like RoR more because you suck at PHP. Regards, Rob Hi, can somebody please point out something to me? Did I miss something? Is there some initiation needed on this list which I've missed? How come it is acceptabl

RE: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Andrés Robinet
> -Original Message- > From: Greg Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:17 PM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()? > > On 3/13/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Roland Häder
Are you talking about Ruby-On-Rails, which is a framework, or about Ruby? Well, to point out my view, I have to admit that PHP is not really good written. In some functions the needle is the first argument, second the haystack and vise-versa in other functions. And talk about OOP with PHP, well

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 15:17 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/13/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So... there we have it everyone... Greg has admitted that Ruby is as > > smart as a cat. > > Hahaha.. yeah, you really got me on that one. > > /me slaps his knee. > > > I li

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/13/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So... there we have it everyone... Greg has admitted that Ruby is as > smart as a cat. Hahaha.. yeah, you really got me on that one. /me slaps his knee. > I like something a little more edgy personally. Something closer to human...

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/13/08, Ray Hauge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is my last post on this thread. I doubt that, but feel free to prove me wrong. > The point of this reply is I didn't say anything about how long you've > been around here. The fact is you're still here, and we're talking PHP. You said "Y

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 14:36 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/13/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Because PHP is the dog and Ruby is the cat? > > Yeah, I guess. I have several cats. Indeed they are fast, sleek, and > smart just like Ruby. So... there we have it everyone...

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/13/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Because PHP is the dog and Ruby is the cat? Yeah, I guess. I have several cats. Indeed they are fast, sleek, and smart just like Ruby. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscrib

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/13/08, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ruby must really increase your work performance as you seem to have so > much free time to troll here. Awesome! :) Ruby on Rails is really amazing in how fast you can put an app together. There are generators for most everything so whipping

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Ray Hauge
Greg Donald wrote: On 3/12/08, Ray Hauge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You come to a PHP mailing list to proclaim that RoR is better? No dumbass, I have already been here for a long time: This is my last post on this thread. It's obvious nobody is going to convince anyone else of their being

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Eric Butera
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/12/08, Ray Hauge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You > > come to a PHP mailing list to proclaim that RoR is better? > > No dumbass, I have already been here for a long time: > > http://marc.info/?l=php-general&m=953

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 10:02 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/12/08, Ray Hauge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You > > come to a PHP mailing list to proclaim that RoR is better? > > No dumbass, I have already been here for a long time: > > http://marc.info/?l=php-general&m=95331489301933&w=2 > >

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-13 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Ray Hauge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You > come to a PHP mailing list to proclaim that RoR is better? No dumbass, I have already been here for a long time: http://marc.info/?l=php-general&m=95331489301933&w=2 And I didn't proclaim anything, Rob did: But then you'd end up with so

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Wolf
Stut wrote: On 12 Mar 2008, at 17:31, Wolf wrote: Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greg Donald wrote: You're gonna restrict the entire development team from using a given feature just because you don't want to invest 20 minutes in getting your newbie developer up to spead? That's

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 17:05 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > > /me points to SPL and laughs his ass off > > I don't use SPL. i do. it makes handling recursion and a number of other tasks a breeze. not liking it because th

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 17:05 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just because someone got a flashy new toy doesn't mean I want it. I've > > got better things to do than play with flashy toys for the mere purpose > > of playing with flashy toys. I

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 21:36 +, Dave Goodchild wrote: > Will you two pricks cut it out. How fucking tedious. Wow! Way to totally devolve a good thread. :B Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Ray Hauge
Ray Hauge wrote: Greg Donald wrote: On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just because someone got a flashy new toy doesn't mean I want it. I've got better things to do than play with flashy toys for the mere purpose of playing with flashy toys. I like to use tools that get j

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Dave Goodchild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will you two pricks cut it out. How fucking tedious. Tedious? Sorry. /me passes the "buddhamagnet" a dictionary so he can keep up. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, vi

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Ray Hauge
Greg Donald wrote: On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just because someone got a flashy new toy doesn't mean I want it. I've got better things to do than play with flashy toys for the mere purpose of playing with flashy toys. I like to use tools that get jobs done. Transl

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're new around here right? Hehe. For sure. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just because someone got a flashy new toy doesn't mean I want it. I've > got better things to do than play with flashy toys for the mere purpose > of playing with flashy toys. I like to use tools that get jobs done. Translation: I'm too la

RE: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Andrés Robinet
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Goodchild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:37 PM > To: Robert Cummings > Cc: Aschwin Wesselius; Greg Donald; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()? > > Will y

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Dave Goodchild
Will you two pricks cut it out. How fucking tedious. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 22:26 +0100, Aschwin Wesselius wrote: > > Robert Cummings wrote: > > > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 16:11 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > > > > > >> On 3

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Aschwin Wesselius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -5 for not keeping this kind of childish behavior of the list (both of you) Playing the game by claiming the game is wrong to play is still playing the game. -1 for playing the game hypocritically. -1 for thinking -5 exists. -- Greg D

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 22:26 +0100, Aschwin Wesselius wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 16:11 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > > > >> On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> > -1 for not recognizing a rhetorical question. > >>> > >>> +2 for sett

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 16:11 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, but some of your diatribe was originally directed my way. And this > > stuff certainly isn't new to me. > > Sure it is, else you'd be using it.. like all the smart PHP > progra

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Aschwin Wesselius
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 16:11 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -1 for not recognizing a rhetorical question. +2 for setting his tongue firmly in cheek and providing you with an answer to your rhetorical question.

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 16:11 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -1 for not recognizing a rhetorical question. > > > > +2 for setting his tongue firmly in cheek and providing you with an > > answer to your rhetorical question. > > -1 for think

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -1 for not recognizing a rhetorical question. > > +2 for setting his tongue firmly in cheek and providing you with an > answer to your rhetorical question. -1 for thinking rhetorical question responses mean jack. -1 for thinking +2 exis

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, but some of your diatribe was originally directed my way. And this > stuff certainly isn't new to me. Sure it is, else you'd be using it.. like all the smart PHP programmers I see on the Rails list looking to expand their tool set on a

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 15:11 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > > On 3/12/08, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I'm sorry, I lost cont

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 15:11 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/12/08, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm sorry, I lost context, what missing PHP language feature are you > > > referring to as "it"? > > > > fun

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 14:59 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You make it sound like this stuff is new or something. > > Obviously to some it is. Just in this thread we had a person claim to > only know PHP, C, and Java, none of which have any

RE: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Andrés Robinet
> -Original Message- > From: Greg Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:00 PM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()? > > On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sorry, I lost context, what missing PHP language feature are you > > referring to as "it"? > > functional capabilities, in particular the ability to dynamically add

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lisp and other > > functional languages have had it for decades. Even JavaScript has it. > > I'm sorry, I lost context, what missing PHP language feature are you > referring to as "it"? functional capabilities, in parti

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Aschwin Wesselius
Greg Donald wrote: Here, let me dumb-it-down a bit: PHP doesn't have much in the way of meta-programming capabilities. Therefore one would not find it a natural thought to do much meta-programming in PHP, unless one already knew of a language where such support exists. A different example using

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You make it sound like this stuff is new or something. Obviously to some it is. Just in this thread we had a person claim to only know PHP, C, and Java, none of which have any functional language capabilities built in. > Lisp and other >

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008. 03. 12, szerda keltezéssel 15.20-kor Robert Cummings ezt írta: > > Even JavaScript has it. > > oh yes, I could have thought of that. in JS you can assign a function to > a property or variable at runtime, even I did

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 03. 12, szerda keltezéssel 15.20-kor Robert Cummings ezt írta: > Even JavaScript has it. oh yes, I could have thought of that. in JS you can assign a function to a property or variable at runtime, even I did something similar, when I assign the action functions of the buttons of a modal dial

RE: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Andrés Robinet
> -Original Message- > From: Nathan Nobbe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:08 PM > To: Andrés Robinet > Cc: Robert Cummings; Zoltán Németh; Greg Donald; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()? > &

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 14:09 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/12/08, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can't really think of a > > case where I would want to modify the class definition of an > > instantiated object > > You can't very well think to walk if you don't have legs. Yo

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't really think of a > case where I would want to modify the class definition of an > instantiated object You can't very well think to walk if you don't have legs. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (h

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Andrés Robinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think __autoload would make much more sense if it worked like an event > registration feature. Such as: > > function myAutoloadCallback($className) { >if ($className == 'ShakeItBaby') { >require_

RE: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Zoltán Németh
án Németh' > Cc: 'Greg Donald'; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:51 PM > > To: Zolt

RE: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Stephane Ulysse
ct: RE: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()? > -Original Message- > From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:51 PM > To: Zoltán Németh > Cc: Greg Donald; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] What's wrong t

RE: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Andrés Robinet
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:51 PM > To: Zoltán Németh > Cc: Greg Donald; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()? > > > On Wed, 2008-03-

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 03. 12, szerda keltezéssel 13.27-kor Greg Donald ezt írta: > On 3/12/08, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ok, I admit I don't have experience with Ruby but I have experience with > > php. and I don't have experience with Ruby because I read some manuals > > and example codes and

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ok, I admit I don't have experience with Ruby but I have experience with > php. and I don't have experience with Ruby because I read some manuals > and example codes and whatnot and I just could not get to like it at > all. That's a lot dif

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Stut
On 12 Mar 2008, at 17:31, Wolf wrote: Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greg Donald wrote: You're gonna restrict the entire development team from using a given feature just because you don't want to invest 20 minutes in getting your newbie developer up to spead? That's pure idio

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 18:21 +0100, Zoltán Németh wrote: > 2008. 03. 12, szerda keltezéssel 12.12-kor Greg Donald ezt írta: > > On 3/12/08, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > but I strongly think that Ruby as a > > > language just plain sucks ;) > > > > And exactly how many projects do

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Wolf
Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greg Donald wrote: > > On 3/12/08, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That's not quite the situation. Finding good developers isn't easy, so > >> lots of companies will go for "acceptable" ones, who are less likely to > >> know of __aut

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 03. 12, szerda keltezéssel 12.12-kor Greg Donald ezt írta: > On 3/12/08, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > but I strongly think that Ruby as a > > language just plain sucks ;) > > And exactly how many projects do you have under your belt to allow you > to develop this opinion? Wh

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Imagine at Blizzard one morning, "Hey guys, we're not going to be able > > to use function pointers on the new Diablo III like we had planned to > > do, the new hires down the hall don't understand them very well so > > just don't use t

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No it's not. It's not like require_once() is a hassle to type/use > anyhow. Things like editor macros and templates help out enormously and > by using them over __auto load you (a business) could save yourself a > lot of time and hence money

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 11:26 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/12/08, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's a perfectly viable business reason. > > No it's not. I guess you need a "business" scenario to wrap your head > around the idiocy. > > Here you go: > > Imagine at Blizzard one

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 11:12 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But then you'd end up with something like Ruby on Rails... and we all > > know about Ruby on Rails *VOMIT*. > > You clearly don't know much about it or else you wouldn't be bashing

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but I strongly think that Ruby as a > language just plain sucks ;) And exactly how many projects do you have under your belt to allow you to develop this opinion? What's the url to any one of them? Unlike you I actually have thousands of lin

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Richard Heyes
Greg Donald wrote: On 3/12/08, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's not quite the situation. Finding good developers isn't easy, so lots of companies will go for "acceptable" ones, who are less likely to know of __autoloads existence. Hence, using __autoload is unwise. A lesser de

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 03. 12, szerda keltezéssel 11.12-kor Greg Donald ezt írta: > On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But then you'd end up with something like Ruby on Rails... and we all > > know about Ruby on Rails *VOMIT*. > > You clearly don't know much about it or else you wouldn't b

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's not quite the situation. Finding good developers isn't easy, so > lots of companies will go for "acceptable" ones, who are less likely to > know of __autoloads existence. Hence, using __autoload is unwise. A lesser developer should be

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Richard Heyes
It's a perfectly viable business reason. No it's not. I guess you need a "business" scenario to wrap your head around the idiocy. Here you go: Imagine at Blizzard one morning, "Hey guys, we're not going to be able to use function pointers on the new Diablo III like we had planned to do, the n

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Eric Butera
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Gustavo Narea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm wondering what's wrong with the use of __autoload(), since I see that > projects like the Zend Framework don't use it and prefer to require_once > each required file. > > Thanks in advance. > -- >

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's a perfectly viable business reason. No it's not. I guess you need a "business" scenario to wrap your head around the idiocy. Here you go: Imagine at Blizzard one morning, "Hey guys, we're not going to be able to use function pointers o

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Richard Heyes
For example a junior developer who doesn't know of its existence and is new to a job is less likely to admit ignorance and ask how a class is being defined when __autoload() is being used. That's a the dumbest reason I've ever heard to not use a given language feature. It's a perfectly via

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But then you'd end up with something like Ruby on Rails... and we all > know about Ruby on Rails *VOMIT*. You clearly don't know much about it or else you wouldn't be bashing it. Period. Just admit the fact that you're resistant to learn

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 10:33 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > On 3/12/08, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm wondering what's wrong with the use of __autoload(), since I see that > > > projects like the Zend Framework don't use it and prefer to require_once > > > each required file. >

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Donald
On 3/12/08, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm wondering what's wrong with the use of __autoload(), since I see that > > projects like the Zend Framework don't use it and prefer to require_once > > each required file. > > Things that happen without you explicitly causing them (ie re

Re: [PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Richard Heyes
I'm wondering what's wrong with the use of __autoload(), since I see that projects like the Zend Framework don't use it and prefer to require_once each required file. Things that happen without you explicitly causing them (ie require() et al) can lead to confusion. For example a junior develo

[PHP] What's wrong the __autoload()?

2008-03-12 Thread Gustavo Narea
Hello all, I'm wondering what's wrong with the use of __autoload(), since I see that projects like the Zend Framework don't use it and prefer to require_once each required file. Thanks in advance. -- Gustavo Narea. http://gustavonarea.net/ Get GNU/Linux! http://www.getgnulinux.org/ -- PHP Ge