On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 23:54 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:20:16AM -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 21:17 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
Incidentally, I would differ from the reviewer in the link above only in
this respect: He maintains that
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 00:06 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:17:51AM -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 21:17 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:39:02PM -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
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The pages are significantly
I think Daevid has some valid points although I think frameworks still have
a lot of value, I've recently learned to use the CakePHP framework and have
been happy with the development time improvements. But more then that I've
found it has made my applications more extensible and flexible.
As to
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:28 -0800, Kyle Terry wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Eric Butera eric.but...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com
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On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 17:01 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 15:47 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:28 -0800, Kyle Terry wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Eric Butera eric.but...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com
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On Wed, 2009-01-14
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 21:17 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:39:02PM -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
Not to start a Holy War (as these to framework or not to framework
debates often turn into), but I personally had a horrible experience with
using frameworks. I
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 21:17 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
Incidentally, I would differ from the reviewer in the link above only in
this respect: He maintains that every line of code adds time. While this
is true, I believe it's the number of files which have to be opened
which drags down
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Subject: Re: [PHP] Zend Framework...where to start? -- don't.
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I agree and disagree. I agree there's waaay too much herd
On Jan 15, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Boyd, Todd M. tmbo...@ccis.edu wrote:
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On Wednesday 14 January 2009 23:39:02 Daevid Vincent wrote:
Not to start a Holy War (as these to framework or not to framework
debates often turn into), but I personally had a horrible experience
with using frameworks. I was forced to use Symfony at my last job and it
was so cumbersome and
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 17:34 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote:
On Wednesday 14 January 2009 23:39:02 Daevid Vincent wrote:
Not to start a Holy War (as these to framework or not to framework
debates often turn into), but I personally had a horrible experience
with using frameworks. I was forced to
On Thursday 15 January 2009 17:45:35 Robert Cummings wrote:
Hell, yes, signed to from start to end.
After RoR, PHP guys (including Zend) goes nuts.
Every one eat his brains to develop RoR like Framework.
What are you smoking? I like my framework the way it is. I'm sure others
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:37 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote:
On Thursday 15 January 2009 17:45:35 Robert Cummings wrote:
Hell, yes, signed to from start to end.
After RoR, PHP guys (including Zend) goes nuts.
Every one eat his brains to develop RoR like Framework.
What are you
Daevid Vincent wrote:
The pages are significantly slower than straight PHP by orders of
magnitude: http://paul-m-jones.com/?p=315
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001198.html
I know this blog isn't specifically about PHP but he makes a good
general point that can be applied to this
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 13:52 -0500, Sam Stelfox wrote:
Daevid Vincent wrote:
The pages are significantly slower than straight PHP by orders of
magnitude: http://paul-m-jones.com/?p=315
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001198.html
I know this blog isn't specifically
I think I'm going to stick with objects generated by POG, PEAR classes
where they can save me time and Smarty templates for display.
Glad we had this little fireside chat before I started on my next project
with an ambition to use some fancy new framework.
You guys saved me what sounds
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:20:16AM -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 21:17 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
Incidentally, I would differ from the reviewer in the link above only in
this respect: He maintains that every line of code adds time. While this
is true, I believe
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:17:51AM -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 21:17 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:39:02PM -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
snip
The pages are significantly slower than straight PHP by orders of
magnitude:
Hi Daevid,
Your included db.inc.php file contains what appears to be a very strict
injunction against people on this list making use of it.
In particular, these lines:
#---
#
# Confidential - Property of Symcell Corporation
# Do
Not to start a Holy War (as these to framework or not to framework
debates often turn into), but I personally had a horrible experience
with using frameworks. I was forced to use Symfony at my last job and it
was so cumbersome and slow to do even the simplest things. The whole MVC
thing can be
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
http://daevid.com
It appears your browser does not support some of the advanced
features this site requires.
That is pretty enteprisey! ;D
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On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 13:39 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
Not to start a Holy War (as these to framework or not to framework
debates often turn into), but I personally had a horrible experience
with using frameworks. I was forced to use Symfony at my last job and
it was so cumbersome and slow
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 13:39 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
Not to start a Holy War (as these to framework or not to framework
debates often turn into), but I personally had a horrible experience
with using frameworks. I was forced to use Symfony at my last job and
it was so cumbersome and slow
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:50 -0500, Eric Butera wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
http://daevid.com
It appears your browser does not support some of the advanced
features this site requires.
That is pretty enteprisey! ;D
I got the same
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 17:01 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:50 -0500, Eric Butera wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
http://daevid.com
It appears your browser does not support some of the advanced
features this site
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 17:03 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 17:01 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:50 -0500, Eric Butera wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
http://daevid.com
It appears your
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 17:01 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:50 -0500, Eric Butera wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
http://daevid.com
It
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Eric Butera eric.but...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 17:01 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:50 -0500, Eric Butera wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at
If anything this strengthens my point...
First of all, that is my PERSONAL site (notice it is my NAME), so it is
NOT enterprise or SaaS.
Second it uses the www.winlike.net Javascript FRAMEWORK (which I heavily
manipulated in PHP to make the menu dynamic, adding a tertiary menu
level and
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On Wed, 2009-01-14 at
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 15:47 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
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On Wed, 2009-01-14
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Ashley Sheridan
a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukwrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 15:47 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:28 -0800, Kyle Terry wrote:
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wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14,
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:28 -0800, Kyle Terry wrote:
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On Wed,
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On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:28 -0800, Kyle Terry wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Eric Butera eric.but...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14,
Lol, on your resumé page, the popup says you're not a Java man, but then
the actual resumé says you are... :p
No. I wrote Java for 3.5 years at WildTangent, a company I founded as
employee #2 back in 1998, and left once I felt it was starting to become
sketchy and we had grown to over 250
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
Lol, on your resumé page, the popup says you're not a Java man, but
then
the actual resumé says you are... :p
No. I wrote Java for 3.5 years at WildTangent, a company I founded as
employee #2 back in 1998, and
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:39:02PM -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
Not to start a Holy War (as these to framework or not to framework
debates often turn into), but I personally had a horrible experience with
using frameworks. I was forced to use Symfony at my last job and it was so
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.comwrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:39:02PM -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
Not to start a Holy War (as these to framework or not to framework
debates often turn into), but I personally had a horrible experience
with
For what it's worth, you are on my good guys list.
Coming. From a Dba background I am in the camp of everything is a
trade off. Ease of use for speed, functionality for complexity and so
on.
My two cents: zend has an advantage because you can use the bits and
pieces without the need to
Core files are what my plans include too.
Bastien
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On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:39:02PM -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
Not to
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