Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
||*()*|| Hi, Andrei. AZ> Hey guys, AZ> I just wanted to shoot a quick email to the list to see when we could AZ> start work on docs for Unicode upgrades (PHP 6). The main thing, IMO, AZ> is having a way to mark functions as Unicode compatible and also have a AZ> section (per-function) for any Uni

Re[2]: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
||*()*|| Hi, Sean. >> Since all appropriate functions will be unicode compatible in PHP 6.0.0 >> this seems like information overload and not something that should be >> mentioned in every functions documentation. Perhaps have a list offsite, >> maybe on docweb, for alpha/beta testers. SC> Good p

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-25 Thread Philip Olson
Hello everyone, An RFC has been created on this topic so please review and comment: RFC :: Details :: Documenting Unicode support http://doc.php.net/php/rfc/rfc-proposal-show.php?id=6 Summary of RFC: A new role named unicode going above the changelog. A new changelog entry recording this

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-20 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Perhaps you could provide an example or two on "how to document a unicode change" as currently I for one would not know where to begin. Like the best way to go about finding [1] and documenting a unicode related change. And an estimate on about how many functions will eventually require documen

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Philip Olson
Ah yes, this makes sense and his last post did clarify that (hindsight is 20/20!). Sounds like a good idea to document all these types of changes so to the original question on when: ASAP! :-) Yes, that's a good idea. :) Most of the functionality in the core language will not be changin

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Ah sure! Some protos may need changes, and some functions may need tweaking, of course. But all this will need to be made manually and thus will take a long time.. I think we can start by describing the general behaviour of the extension on the reference.xml page and then, as time permits,

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Yes, that's a good idea. :) Most of the functionality in the core language will not be changing so the documentation effort can start immediately. I would offer to document some things myself, but honestly, I think that my time is best spent finishing up core stuff, doing Unicode upgrades o

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Philip Olson
I'm unsure if I follow what you mean here Gabor, please clarify. If we do this soon then later we'll undo it all because when PHP 6.0.0 is released every [appropriate] function will be unicode compatible so repeating this thousands of times throughout the manual won't be useful. The appro

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Philip Olson
On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Gabor Hojtsy wrote: Philip, I assumed what is supposed to be documented is not just a boolean switch: "this is unicode compatible" / "this is not yet unicode compatible", but there are behaviour changes, special options, or anything (I am not actually following

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Nuno Lopes
As far as I have seen adding an entity was the suggested method, which should not be a problem for translators to adapt to IMHO. In case this entity is just a "this has unicode support" text, and nothing more, and if all text handling functions will indeed have Unicode support, then adding thes

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
Philip, I assumed what is supposed to be documented is not just a boolean switch: "this is unicode compatible" / "this is not yet unicode compatible", but there are behaviour changes, special options, or anything (I am not actually following PHP 6 development). In case it is just a boolean swit

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Nuno Lopes wrote: I have already started documenting the Unicode stuff about one year ago (http://php.net/unicode). Most is already out-of-date, but it is a start point. What we were discussing is if we should change every page to mention that it is unicode-safe/aware/comp

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Fine, but what I was saying is that the behavior of number of functions will change, slightly or more than slightly, depending on unicode semantics mode being on or on the type of data passed to them. Those changes need to be documented. -Andrei On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Nuno Lopes wrote:

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Nuno Lopes
Hi Goba! I have already started documenting the Unicode stuff about one year ago (http://php.net/unicode). Most is already out-of-date, but it is a start point. What we were discussing is if we should change every page to mention that it is unicode-safe/aware/compatible/whatever. We were all a

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
Our policy was always to document functionality when people have time and willingness to do so, even for funtionality available in stable versions in the future. The new Unicode stuff needs to be marked as such, but IMHO has its place in the documentation. People need to see that there is a lig

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Sean Coates
> Since all appropriate functions will be unicode compatible in PHP 6.0.0 > this seems like information overload and not something that should be > mentioned in every functions documentation. Perhaps have a list offsite, > maybe on docweb, for alpha/beta testers. Good point. I agree. This list alr

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Nuno Lopes
But we have a big problem: the translators. We can't simply modify all files and then say to translators that they are lagging behind the English version. That said, I can only agree with Philip, from a practical point of view. In the first alpha version I expect most (if not all) functions to b

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Andrei Zmievski
I think this information could be useful since people will most likely want to use online manual even before PHP 6.0 final is out. Making them go to a separate site to look up which function is Unicode-safe or not is not very user-friendly. -Andrei Since all appropriate functions will be unic

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Andrei Zmievski
I think what we discussed last time was this: unicode - for parameters that are -required- to be Unicode strings binary - for parameters that are -required- to be binary strings string - for parameters that can be either type -Andrei On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Sean Coates wrote: Ano

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Philip Olson
On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Sean Coates wrote: Welcome, I just wanted to shoot a quick email to the list to see when we could start work on docs for Unicode upgrades (PHP 6). The main thing, IMO, is having a way to mark functions as Unicode compatible and also have a section (per-functi

Re: [PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Sean Coates
Welcome, > I just wanted to shoot a quick email to the list to see when we could > start work on docs for Unicode upgrades (PHP 6). The main thing, IMO, is > having a way to mark functions as Unicode compatible and also have a > section (per-function) for any Unicode-related notes. Any other thoug

[PHP-DOC] Starting on Unicode docs

2006-07-19 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Hey guys, I just wanted to shoot a quick email to the list to see when we could start work on docs for Unicode upgrades (PHP 6). The main thing, IMO, is having a way to mark functions as Unicode compatible and also have a section (per-function) for any Unicode-related notes. Any other thought