On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 17:59, Daniel
Convissor wrote:
> Hi Greg:
>
>> Copy-on-write still happens, the example you gave doesn't change a
>> variable, only a property.
>
> Yeah.
>
>
>> A better comparison would be between arrays and objects, as this
>> demonstrates that they behave differently in PH
Hi Greg:
> Copy-on-write still happens, the example you gave doesn't change a
> variable, only a property.
Yeah.
> A better comparison would be between arrays and objects, as this
> demonstrates that they behave differently in PHP 5, but were the same in
> PHP 4
>
> $a = array('m' => 'foo');
Daniel Convissor wrote:
> // Copy-on-write is not what happens when dealing only with objects:
> class not_copy_on_write {
> public $m = 'foo';
> }
> $a = new not_copy_on_write;
> $b = $a;
> $a->m = 'bar';
> echo "\$a->m = $a->m, \$b->m = $b->m\n";
>
> ?>
Hi Dan,
Copy-on-write still happens
Hi Brandon:
> http://blog.libssh2.org/index.php?/archives/51-Youre-being-lied-to..html
Yeah, that's a good article. I've seen it on other occasions. But she's
kind of "lying" too...
m = $b->m\n";
// Copy-on-write is not what happens when dealing only with objects:
class not_copy_on_write {
On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 07:56:43PM -0700, Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
>
> Personally I like "property"
I agree. That's what I, and most people, call them. It'd be good to
have that be the term throughout the manual.
Thanks,
--Dan
--
T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Brandon Savage wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:31 AM, G. T. Stresen-Reuter <
> tedmaster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Hannes Magnusson wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 13:20, Brandon Savage
>>> wrote:
>>>
This documentation
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:31 AM, G. T. Stresen-Reuter wrote:
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Hannes Magnusson wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 13:20, Brandon Savage
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This documentation already exists in that section.
>>>
>>> I'll amend my diff to reference this section. Something
On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Hannes Magnusson wrote:
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 13:20, Brandon
Savage wrote:
This documentation already exists in that section.
I'll amend my diff to reference this section. Something along the
lines of
"PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way ob
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 13:20, Brandon Savage wrote:
> This documentation already exists in that section.
>
> I'll amend my diff to reference this section. Something along the lines of
> "PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way objects are
> handled, and each variable representation
This documentation already exists in that section.
I'll amend my diff to reference this section. Something along the lines of
"PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way objects are
handled, and each variable representation contains an object identifier
instead of the object itself. P
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 01:29, Brandon Savage wrote:
> However, each spot where the documentation states that objects are passed by
> reference is wrong. See this blog post by Sara Golemon:
> http://blog.libssh2.org/index.php?/archives/51-Youre-being-lied-to..html
>
[...]
>
> I'm not sure how to cha
Philip Olson wrote:
On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Daniel Convissor wrote:
Hi Lars:
In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got to
be unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some peop
On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Daniel Convissor wrote:
Hi Lars:
In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got
to be unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some
people call class var
Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Daniel Convissor wrote:
Hi Lars:
In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got to
be unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some people
call class variables "properties", I should explain that others
call them
Greg Beaver wrote:
Brandon Savage wrote:
On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Daniel Convissor wrote:
Hi Brandon:
Nice stuff. Two qualms with the following:
PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way objects
are passed, passing a pointer to the object rather than copying
the ob
Brandon Savage wrote:
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Daniel Convissor wrote:
>
>> Hi Brandon:
>>
>> Nice stuff. Two qualms with the following:
>>
>>PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way objects
>>are passed, passing a pointer to the object rather than copying
>>the ob
Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Daniel Convissor wrote:
Hi Lars:
In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got to
be unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some people call
class variables "properties", I should explain that others call them
"members" or "member vari
Daniel Convissor wrote:
Hi Lars:
In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got to be
unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some people call class
variables "properties", I should explain that others call them "members"
or "member variables" or "attributes" or w
On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Daniel Convissor wrote:
Hi Brandon:
Nice stuff. Two qualms with the following:
PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way objects
are passed, passing a pointer to the object rather than copying
the object.
First, "passed" is the followed imme
Hi Brandon:
Nice stuff. Two qualms with the following:
PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way objects
are passed, passing a pointer to the object rather than copying
the object.
First, "passed" is the followed immediately by "passing." Pick a
different word for o
Hi Lars:
> In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got to be
> unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some people call class
> variables "properties", I should explain that others call them "members"
> or "member variables" or "attributes" or what-have-you. I'll
I'll see what I can do to submit a patch tonight containing new
language for a "Differences Between PHP 4 and PHP 5" section. This
is outlined to some degree in the "Migrating" documentation, but I
still think it's a good idea.
Does anyone know what we have to do in order to move the PHP 4
On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Brandon Savage wrote:
On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Philip Olson wrote:
Comments, criticisms, and feedback greatly appreciated!
Sounds reasonable, and the more information the better :)
And while doing this, it's p
Brandon Savage wrote:
On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Philip Olson wrote:
Comments, criticisms, and feedback greatly appreciated!
Sounds reasonable, and the more information the better :)
And while doing this, it's probably worth thinking about how to
ensure oop5 is a
Brandon Savage wrote:
Torben,
This is good stuff. I have the following suggestions:
1. I would add links to the basic.xml page in the paragraph where you
state "A class may contain its own variables, constants, and functions."
I'd link to the sections on properties, constants and methods.
S
Torben,
This is good stuff. I have the following suggestions:
1. I would add links to the basic.xml page in the paragraph where you state
"A class may contain its own variables, constants, and functions." I'd link
to the sections on properties, constants and methods.
2. I would also add in parent
On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Philip Olson wrote:
Comments, criticisms, and feedback greatly appreciated!
Sounds reasonable, and the more information the better :)
And while doing this, it's probably worth thinking about how to
ensure oop5 is a first class citizen. M
Philip Olson wrote:
Comments, criticisms, and feedback greatly appreciated!
Sounds reasonable, and the more information the better :)
And while doing this, it's probably worth thinking about how to ensure
oop5 is a first class citizen. Meaning, a person reads about OOP in
terms of PHP 5 an
Comments, criticisms, and feedback greatly appreciated!
Sounds reasonable, and the more information the better :)
And while doing this, it's probably worth thinking about how to ensure
oop5 is a first class citizen. Meaning, a person reads about OOP in
terms of PHP 5 and those who care ca
Brandon Savage wrote:
On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:47 AM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Hi all,
While going through some bug reports I realized that the 'The Basics'
section of the PHP 5 classes and objects section, as it stands, could
use some attention. I've been going over it and and have rewritten
On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:47 AM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote:
Hi all,
While going through some bug reports I realized that the 'The
Basics' section of the PHP 5 classes and objects section, as it
stands, could use some attention. I've been going over it and and
have rewritten much of it to be mor
Hi all,
While going through some bug reports I realized that the 'The Basics'
section of the PHP 5 classes and objects section, as it stands, could
use some attention. I've been going over it and and have rewritten much
of it to be more precise, and have also separated the class variables
sec
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