I never came up with that DEAD headline and have no idea who did and
don't agree with it.
Let's take Clojure as an example again, no one in their right mind
would think that that language would have the adoption it has if it
wasn't based on Java with easy interoperability to get at all that
legacy
* A message from one of the silent *
I have just used Picolisp (PL) to write a tiny application that
generates web sites from xml files. It was great fun, and I use it in
my business. I am profoundly impressed with the power of the language.
I agree that picolisp can he hard to follow when you
I was also thinking why is it all caps…
looked like a hex number…
like DEADBEEF, DEADBABE DEADFISh, u know… ;)
--
tom
On Tuesday, January 24, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Jon Kleiser wrote:
> On 1/22/12 8:42 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
> > OK, I understand.
> >
> > The language is not useful or usabl
On 1/22/12 8:42 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
OK, I understand.
The language is not useful or usable, and the "Community" (I count 70
members in this list) is silent.
DEAD?
My interpretation is "Dream Environment for Advanced Developers". ;-)
However, I hope we can leave this thread ... d-e-a-d.
Hi Doug,
> After many merry rounds of compilation and discovery, it seems that
> the ndk-build's compiler -falign-functions[=n] and friends align
> functions relative to this option, but off by one (+1, or is that just
> |1?).;-)
Weird indeed. Can't believe ;-)
> In pico.h, sadly, I besmirched
sp string-based library mods
mentioned earlier, with a little jni C glue to hold it together.
Cheers,
Doug
--- On Mon, 1/23/12, Jakob Eriksson wrote:
> From: Jakob Eriksson
> Subject: Re: PicoLisp is DEAD (Was: PicoLisp and its (lack of) libraries)
> To: picolisp@software-lab.de
>
On January 24, 2012 at 7:49 AM Doug Snead wrote:
>
> I have a (slightly hacked) version of miniPicoLisp running as an android
> native library as a proof of concept. No no additional java interpretation
> penalty.
Wow, this is interesting!
>
> My thought is that now I have a new tool -
--- On Mon, 1/23/12, Jakob Eriksson wrote:
> The Java version opens up the path to Android jobs - and I
> have an impression that those are still a kind of Wild West.
I have a (slightly hacked) version of miniPicoLisp running as an android native
library as a proof of concept. No no additional
It seems I've exposed my PicoLisp ignorance again ... Most of the
functions in picoLisp/ersatz/lib.l, or possibly all except 'javac', are
quite well explained in the regular docs.
/Jon
> Hi again,
>
> There were two functions in the Image_Noise example that I should have
> known better: 'javac
Hi again,
There were two functions in the Image_Noise example that I should have
known better: 'javac' and 'task'.
Now I've found both of them in picoLisp/ersatz/lib.l, along with a
bunch of other functions that I'm sure would be nice to know. It
shouldn't be too hard to figure out what s
On January 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM Jon Kleiser wrote:
>
> I like having the possibility to make use of Java solutions (e.g. the
> Swing GUI) from Ersatz PicoLisp, but please don't tell anyone that "it
> allows you to integrate with any legacy system" before we have done any
> such integration a
On 23 January 2012 13:02, Jon Kleiser wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:57:54 +0100 (CET), Jakob Eriksson
> wrote:
> > interest in it, since I have found that the "Java" word opens doors.
> > In this case it actually is a blessing that that "Java" is such an
> > ambiguous word - is it "Java"?
Hi Alex,
> Hi Jon,
>
>> thinking of, then I think you would need some way to extend existing
>> Java classes, and override existing methods. I don't think this is
>> possible today. Please inform me if I'm wrong.
>
> Well, yes and no ;-)
>
> After all, why (again) re-invent the wheel, if all ne
Hi Jon,
> thinking of, then I think you would need some way to extend existing
> Java classes, and override existing methods. I don't think this is
> possible today. Please inform me if I'm wrong.
Well, yes and no ;-)
After all, why (again) re-invent the wheel, if all necessary mechanisms
o
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:57:54 +0100 (CET), Jakob Eriksson
wrote:
...
> Today it's Java. The PicoLisp Java is actually cool in that it allows
> you to integrate with any legacy system the customer might have in
> Java.
I like having the possibility to make use of Java solutions (e.g. the
Sw
As a lurker who has just started looking at picolisp, I'm a little hesitant
to contribute to this thread.
I'm coming at this from a slightly different perspective I think than some
other users. This isn't my 1st (nor 2nd, or even 3rd) lisp. What attracted
me to take a look at picolisp?
+ Fully in
On January 23, 2012 at 9:58 AM Alexander Burger wrote:
> accepted by potential customers (for project work). Spreading the news
> that PicoLisp can't be used because there are no libraries is quite
> devastating, but also without that, acceptance for project work didn't
> improve during the ten y
Hi all,
many thanks for all your replies!
First of all, I must apologize. I did not want to blame the community.
But, on the other hand, Henrik is right. Though I don't agree with his
original argument about the lack of libraries, PicoLisp is indeed dead
at least in one important way. My persona
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:58:19 -0200
Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
> You may count me as silent but very happy with PicoLisp!
>
> I use it mostly for automating tasks in Unix systems (particularly
> fun in small devices running Linux).
>
> J.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 08:42:38AM +0100, Alexand
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Jeronimo Pellegrini
wrote:
> I use it mostly for automating tasks in Unix systems (particularly
> fun in small devices running Linux).
Likewise! I am a system administrator. I first thought of Lisp as a
suitable language when the White Glove Linux distributions f
Alexander Burger schrieb:
> OK, I understand.
>
> The language is not useful or usable, and the "Community" (I count 70
> members in this list) is silent.
Oh oh ...
Alex, your conclusion is not necessary true. If most are silent that has
not to mean, they conclude with Henrik. At least me, if
You may count me as silent but very happy with PicoLisp!
I use it mostly for automating tasks in Unix systems (particularly
fun in small devices running Linux).
J.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 08:42:38AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote:
> OK, I understand.
>
> The language is not useful or usable, an
I have to disagree. Having a framework comes later. There are two
things that work against picolisp.
1. Lack of floating point numbers. Yes I know its a design decision
and yes I know its not likely to change. But it is a lack that does
put a lot of potential users off in the first five minutes, e
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Jakob Eriksson wrote:
Don't confuse the silence of the majority for consent, one way or another,
> it's like politics. The most vocal proponents of any standpoint, are not
> likely to represent any majority. And I haven't even touched on the
> possibility that the
Am 22.01.2012 08:42, schrieb Alexander Burger:
OK, I understand.
The language is not useful or usable, and the "Community" (I count 70
members in this list) is silent.
Hi Alexander!
Hm, for an April 1st joke it is too early!?
Bad mood day due to ugly wet weather in upper bavaria? ;)
Mailing li
Hello.
I am new to PL.
I come from trying out lots of library paradises where you need to load
>100MB of background noise into RAM to print 'hello world' on the screen.
My aim is to learn and use lisp for smart & small data base driven
applications within a little browser window.
Yesterday I st
On January 22, 2012 at 8:42 AM Alexander Burger wrote:
> OK, I understand.
>
> The language is not useful or usable, and the "Community" (I count 70
> members in this list) is silent.
To me it's very useful and interesting, or I would not have spent so much
time making miniPicoLisp work for
im also checking back from time to time.
there is a lot to learn from PL.
im a long time anti-complexity fan too.
i was expressing this attitude of mine in SHell scripts and Rebol so far,
but since Rebol has started rotting, im looking for alternatives.
(by rotting, i mean the graphical version Reb
No it is not dead to me. At least I do not want it dead. But in online
communities the1-9-90 rule applies:
1% is the major contributors
9% are contributing from time to time
90% are mostly silent (like me)
With 70 people on the list the numbers seem appropriate.
FWIW, I like PicoLisp the way it
I have to agree with Alex here. This language has its place and is very
useful in that place. I am currently doing embedded in C, and have no
choice about what to use. But I have to say, I in very much in favor of
the succinctness of PicoLisp and its ability to link with any library.
If someone, He
OK, I understand.
The language is not useful or usable, and the "Community" (I count 70
members in this list) is silent.
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