Re: kde plasma workspace structure

On Saturday, June 9, 2012 02:22:43 Alex Fiestas wrote: > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > On Friday, June 8, 2012 22:54:03 Alex Fiestas wrote: > > we have kde-baseapps, and i agree what you've said previously that wewould > > benefit from having a defined set of "core app

Re: kde plasma workspace structure

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Friday, June 8, 2012 22:54:03 Alex Fiestas wrote: > we have kde-baseapps, and i agree what you've said previously that wewould > benefit from having a defined set of "core applications" Lately I have been doing a lot of thinking with the

Re: Re: Workspace Next Sprint Organization

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Alex Fiestas wrote: > On Friday, June 08, 2012 05:58:46 PM Marco Martin wrote: >> in there any shopping mall nearby? (or not so nearby but that can be done >> while we're there) > > There is, but I don't think we will find Yarns there, so I will try to buy > that to

Re: Workspace Next Sprint Organization

We don't do weird plug though :p I have conversors I can bring if you don't have one ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel

Re: [KDE Bugtracking System] REMINDER: current Plasma regressions

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:58 AM, wrote: > ** > > 301424 normal NOR openSUSE > RPMs plasma-b...@kde.org NEW --- Cannot open battery monitor applet if > set to hidden in systray > @Marco: can you look into this please? seems like a bug with compact rep

Re: kde plasma workspace structure

On Friday, June 8, 2012 22:54:03 Alex Fiestas wrote: > Where will dolphin be? An application with Blue dot? i think so, yes. to beh noest, i really struggled with where file management belonged in the past. what it came down to was the it runs just fine outside of KDE's workspaces (a lot of peo

Re: Workspace Next Sprint Organization

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Kevin Ottens wrote: > On Friday 08 June 2012 18:22:51 Alex Fiestas wrote: >> On Friday, June 08, 2012 05:41:25 PM Kevin Ottens wrote: >> >  - A dozen white boxes (ideally roughly the cereal box size, can be >> >  slightly >> > >> > bigger >> >> I doub't we can find

Re: kde plasma workspace structure

On Friday 08 June 2012, Alex Fiestas wrote: > On Friday, June 08, 2012 10:01:35 PM Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > hi... > > > > here is a rough block diagram of the overall kde software stack: > > http://plasma.kde.org/media/kde_block_diagram.png > > Apart from useful and complete beautiful :p >

Re: kde plasma workspace structure

On Friday, June 08, 2012 10:01:35 PM Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > hi... > > here is a rough block diagram of the overall kde software stack: > > http://plasma.kde.org/media/kde_block_diagram.png Apart from useful and complete beautiful :p Where will dolphin be? An application with Blue dot? Th

[kde-workspace] plasma/generic/applets/lock_logout: keep plugin name consistent between releases

Git commit dd23569be148fa900de5046871c703a2873b5eb8 by Aaron Seigo. Committed on 08/06/2012 at 22:19. Pushed by aseigo into branch 'master'. keep plugin name consistent between releases when rewriting plugins in QML they MUST keep the same plugin name or else people's configurations will become b

[KDE Bugtracking System] REMINDER: current Plasma regressions

Please find below a list of the current regressions reported for Plasma This search was scheduled by myr...@kde.org. Plasma regressions -- Bug 283626: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283626 Priority: NOR Severity: crash Platform: openSUSE RPMs Assignee: plasma-b...

Re: Review Request: Misc fixes in widget explorer tooltip including missing i18n

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kde plasma workspace structure

hi... here is a rough block diagram of the overall kde software stack: http://plasma.kde.org/media/kde_block_diagram.png some notes: * the applications have little dots in them: Blue -> desktop Pink -> Touch (Harmattan, Active, ...) Universal -> one UI, works eve

Re: Review Request: Misc fixes in widget explorer tooltip including missing i18n

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Re: Workspace Next Sprint Organization

On Friday 08 June 2012 18:22:51 Alex Fiestas wrote: > On Friday, June 08, 2012 05:41:25 PM Kevin Ottens wrote: > > - A dozen white boxes (ideally roughly the cereal box size, can be > > slightly > > > > bigger > > I doub't we can find this easily, anybody can bring those? I have been told > they

Re: Workspace Next Sprint Organization

On Friday 08 June 2012 17:50:57 Alex Fiestas wrote: > We already went shopping for the stuff you asked before (yesterday) :/ My apologies again for the late request. Regards. -- Kévin Ottens, http://ervin.ipsquad.net KDAB - proud patron of KDE, http://www.kdab.com signature.asc Description: Th

Re: Re: Workspace Next Sprint Organization

On Friday, June 08, 2012 05:41:25 PM Kevin Ottens wrote: > - A dozen white boxes (ideally roughly the cereal box size, can be slightly > bigger I doub't we can find this easily, anybody can bring those? I have been told they are sold in ikea for example. This we can buy at a carrefour near the v

Re: Re: Workspace Next Sprint Organization

On Friday, June 08, 2012 05:58:46 PM Marco Martin wrote: > in there any shopping mall nearby? (or not so nearby but that can be done > while we're there) There is, but I don't think we will find Yarns there, so I will try to buy that today. We will go to that mall to buy all the rest, including

Re: Workspace Next Sprint Organization

On Friday 08 June 2012, Alex Fiestas wrote: > We already went shopping for the stuff you asked before (yesterday) :/ and > I have all my weekend busy with family stuff I can't skip. > > Maybe we can arrange to somebody to take care of this. in there any shopping mall nearby? (or not so nearby but

Re: Re: Workspace Next Sprint Organization

We already went shopping for the stuff you asked before (yesterday) :/ and I have all my weekend busy with family stuff I can't skip. Maybe we can arrange to somebody to take care of this. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.

Re: Workspace Next Sprint Organization

Hello, On Friday 11 May 2012 23:23:29 Kevin Ottens wrote: > On Friday 11 May 2012 22:19:31 Àlex Fiestas wrote: > > When I come back from SFO I will start together with Aleix the arragements > > for the sprint, fromm the top of my head: > > > > -Whiteboards > > -Projectors > > -Food > > -Car > > -W

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday 08 June 2012, Dario Freddi wrote: > > there will be enough on the agenda without adding marketing to it, and > > there are many people not there who ought to be if marketing was part of > > the mix. > > I partly disagree here. In the first frameworks sprint we also created > a plan whic

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday 08 June 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: > > > > same thing for names of tecnologies (there should be advertized as > > developer tools but never to the end user) so in the ui should never > > ever appear nepomuk, phonon or akonadi for instance. > > > > different discourse for products that are d

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Marco Martin wrote: > On Friday 08 June 2012, Tomaz Canabrava wrote: >> 'Plasma' and 'Nepomuk - whatever this means' ? those namings are >> confusing, and if you guys really want a broader audience, you should >> really make it easy for people that are not on your f

Re: KDE architecture diagram

2012/6/7 Aaron J. Seigo : >> but it occurred to >> me we have indeed a serious naming problem (which I believe was the >> main source of misunderstanding over the last days) on all of this. In >> my opinion the diagram makes more sense when s/Workspace/Desktop. I >> see more the concept of "workspa

Re: KDE architecture diagram

2012/6/8 Aurélien Gâteau : >> > Perhaps the "KDE Workspace" box should be named " KDE SC Plasma >> > Workspaces". >> how is this difference useful? (serious question, not rhetorical.) > > I suggested "SC" to avoid people thinking I consider Active not to be a KDE > Workspace. It is a KDE workspace

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday 08 June 2012, Tomaz Canabrava wrote: > 'Plasma' and 'Nepomuk - whatever this means' ? those namings are > confusing, and if you guys really want a broader audience, you should > really make it easy for people that are not on your field to use your > software. I understand that technologie

Re: possible topic for sprint: wayland

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > On Friday 08 June 2012 14:54:25 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >> p.s. at Tokamaks in the past, we've take on topics that we know will not get >> implemented between now and the next Tokamak. we discuss them so that when >> the next Tokamak happens, w

Re: KDE architecture diagram

Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 05:49:00 Tomaz Canabrava a écrit : > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > > Perhaps the "KDE Workspace" box should be named " KDE SC Plasma > > Workspaces". > As one of the most active Talkers about KDE on universities that are > not on the IT field, I s

Re: possible topic for sprint: wayland

On Friday 08 June 2012 14:54:25 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > p.s. at Tokamaks in the past, we've take on topics that we know will not get > implemented between now and the next Tokamak. we discuss them so that when > the next Tokamak happens, we can start with fully formed ideas and the > necessary rese

Re: KDE architecture diagram

Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 15:11:57 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > On Friday, June 8, 2012 14:37:09 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > > just means it is released using a different schedule > > in what way does the release schedule matter? what does it change that is > important to understand when asking "what is

Re: KDE architecture diagram

Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 15:07:17 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > ok.. let's try to define that then. i'll offer what i see as a product, as > then perhaps you can do the same and we can compare and hopefully > understand each other better. > > Product: a finished whole that is presented in a form that

Re: Re: Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday, June 08, 2012 12:35:46 Martin Klapetek wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > Food for thought: How many Linux kernel developers do you know that try to > > divide the Linux kernel in subprojects for servers, desktops, embedded > > systems? Here, just like

Re: Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday, June 08, 2012 14:37:09 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Perhaps the "KDE Workspace" box should be named " KDE SC Plasma Workspaces". Read this: http://community.kde.org/Promo/Branding/Map#KDE_Workspaces in short: ("KDE Workspaces", in principle can include other workspaces, "Plasma Workspaces

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday, June 8, 2012 14:37:09 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > just means it is released using a different schedule in what way does the release schedule matter? what does it change that is important to understand when asking "what is plasma, how is put together and how can we move it forward"? > Perh

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday, June 8, 2012 14:31:14 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 14:22:37 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > > another fun tidbit: did you know that the search & launch (aka SAL) > > containment was designed for Netbook, but is also used for the Plasma > > KPart > > now and is very popular

possible topic for sprint: wayland

hi ... while most discussion has concentrated so far on "what the (#*$ is plasma?", for which i nominate this as the official theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrDui7xeGv0 and looking at topics regarding specific functionalty integration (e.g. "how do we deal with beamers", "w

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday 08 June 2012 14:39:37 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > ~15kLOC current delta, 10K LOC of "real" delta once workspace and kdelibs > branches get merged, and 250k LOC total (well, closer to 300K depending on > what you count; but i'm being a little conservative in what i included > there) > > the 25

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > [Damn. Just when I say I am out of this discussion, a message arrives I feel > the urge to answer.] > > Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 14:31:08 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : >> it would be like saying that Calligra, Amarok and Digikam are somehow of a >

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday 08 June 2012 14:22:37 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Friday, June 8, 2012 13:47:18 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > > My goal with this diagram was to illustrate end-user products and how they > > are grouped under umbrella terms, rather than teams. > > then it isn't an architecture diagram, and it s

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday, June 8, 2012 14:30:18 Kevin Ottens wrote: > On Friday 08 June 2012 14:09:36 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > the design of Plasma lets us take the overwhelming majority of code and > > re-use it across workspace shells. that's the entire point. i've > > calculated > > that the current delta bet

Re: KDE architecture diagram

[Damn. Just when I say I am out of this discussion, a message arrives I feel the urge to answer.] Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 14:31:08 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > it would be like saying that Calligra, Amarok and Digikam are somehow of a > different class compared to KMail because KMail is in the SC.

Re: KDE architecture diagram

Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 14:22:37 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > On Friday, June 8, 2012 13:47:18 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > > My goal with this diagram was to illustrate end-user products and how they > > are grouped under umbrella terms, rather than teams. > > then it isn't an architecture diagram, and

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday, June 8, 2012 14:01:45 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 12:20:43 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > > > If I am not mistaken, kde workspace and plasma active are developed in > > > different repositories, > > > > kde-runtime is also developed in a different repository. so is folde

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday 08 June 2012 14:09:36 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > the design of Plasma lets us take the overwhelming majority of code and > re-use it across workspace shells. that's the entire point. i've calculated > that the current delta between Active and Desktop is ~15000 LOC, and that > once we merge s

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday, June 8, 2012 13:47:18 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > My goal with this diagram was to illustrate end-user products and how they > are grouped under umbrella terms, rather than teams. then it isn't an architecture diagram, and it shouldn't include things like kdelibs. how products are present

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday, June 8, 2012 12:35:46 Martin Klapetek wrote: > While I share your idea of Plasma Workspaces, I would imagine that > different parts of the kernel are maintained/developed by different people. and they don't whinge at each about it ;) > Sure, the core is the same, but the platform-speci

Re: KDE architecture diagram

Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 12:20:43 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > > If I am not mistaken, kde workspace and plasma active are developed in > > different repositories, > > kde-runtime is also developed in a different repository. so is folderview, > which is definitely part of KDE Workspaces; it's also in

Re: KDE architecture diagram

Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 12:01:39 Sebastian Kügler a écrit : > On Thursday, June 07, 2012 22:16:13 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > > Le jeudi 7 juin 2012 21:11:09 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > > > there's an artificial spliting between "kde workspace" and "plasma > > > active" > > > that does not exist. those

Re: KDE architecture diagram

Am Freitag 08 Juni 2012, 12.35:46 schrieb Martin Klapetek: Morning > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > Food for thought: How many Linux kernel developers do you know that try > > to divide the Linux kernel in subprojects for servers, desktops, > > embedded systems? Her

Re: Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > Food for thought: How many Linux kernel developers do you know that try to > divide the Linux kernel in subprojects for servers, desktops, embedded > systems? Here, just like in Plasma, there are a few codepathes that differ > per > dev

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Friday, June 8, 2012 12:01:39 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > Food for thought: How many Linux kernel developers do you know that try to > divide the Linux kernel in subprojects for servers, desktops, embedded > systems? thanks for bringing up this example Sebastian :) it's one that we've used for ye

Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Thursday, June 7, 2012 22:16:13 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Le jeudi 7 juin 2012 21:11:09 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > > there's an artificial spliting between "kde workspace" and "plasma active" > > that does not exist. those of us working on these things keep saying that > > but nobody seems to eit

Re: Re: KDE architecture diagram

On Thursday, June 07, 2012 22:16:13 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Le jeudi 7 juin 2012 21:11:09 Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > > there's an artificial spliting between "kde workspace" and "plasma active" > > that does not exist. those of us working on these things keep saying that > > but nobody seems to ei