> Hmm.. Honustly, with my S320, I don't have any problem in syncing
> whatsover, and overall its fairly fast... can you direct me where I can
> pick up the patches though, so I can try them out?
...and more importantly, what magic was done, is it portable, and
how hard would it be for me
> Do this to grab the sony branch..
> export CVSROOT=:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/plucker
> cvs login (hit enter at password prompt)
> cvs checkout -d plucker.sony -r sony plucker
> cvs logout
You can use cvs.plkr.org also. It's a bit shorter.
[dd]
I'm whacking away at the new my.plkr.org site and noticed yet
another gotcha with my Slashdot litmus test. I'm using the latest parser
from HEAD, which is nice, but still leaves something to be desired with
respet to the depth of crawling *ONLY ONE DOMAIN*. Here's an example:
plucker-bui
> Recently, many people have mentioned on various palm user mailing lists
> that Plucker's only major disadvantage over Avantgo was the missing
> ability to *automatically* sync Plucker DB's during a hotsync.
Personally, I see automatic sync as a disadvantage, since it locks
your Palm in
> How about jsp and java? Then could move into EJB's later on...
Two words... Heck No! =)
[dd]
> Or you could try mod_python, which would be a natural considering the
> parser is in Python.
mod_python wouldn't really help speed up or scale the parser much on
the web server side of things. It's generally best for pipelining handles
between the httpd process and the python binary it
> The main plus being that you could sync the Plucker pdb's from anywhere.
> Apart from not having to worry about configuration and updates for new
> releases.
Not entirely true.. you'd still need HotSync manager on the Windows
side or pilot-link/coldsync on the POSIX side. You don't act
> I disagree. There's already a similar website that generates Aportis
> DOC format, and people still download DOC generators and use them
> instead.
About two years ago, when the parser was still perl/awk/sed based
and pretty rough, I came up with an email-only interface for Plucker, w
> Will do.
A! Context please! =)
I was working on some sample content today, and barfed on my
"control", which is Slashdot (and I wanted to see if they snuck the new ads
into the palm-sized version as well as their full-size)
Parser::Barf;
Unknown error parsing document
http://slashdot.org/palm/askslashdot/02/0
I just loaded Konqueror today (no, I don't run KDE, just wanted to
test the browser) and noticed that the plkr.org website shows up in konq
with *HUGE* fonts. Has anyone else seen this problem?
...and to make this message truly useful, the plkr.org website is
undergoing yet anoth
> It seems that the viewer removes the leading spaces even in
> environment, and destroys the indentation in the source listing
> protected by tags.
This is not a rule, it's a guideline. Some browsers and parsers
respect the extra spaces, some do not.
> I think the parser should remov
> > Thought bubbles mean Plucker is thinking
> Sure -- once you figure out they're 'thought bubbles', which is
> abundantly unclear from the tiny icon. Hourglass/watch has been
> popularized/bastardized into the public consciousness for this function.
Ever read a comic strip?
[dd]
> > Nothing, actually.. since it's never modal like that.
> Yeah, right...
> Dirk, when my web browser is thinking (this is on Unix/X-Windows), it
> puts up a small wristwatch cursor.
What browser is this? I've _NEVER_ seen a wristwatch (ahem, not an
hourglass =) on my linux machines.
> What do LINUX/MAC/OS2 display in this case?
Nothing, actually.. since it's never modal like that.
> BTW: I vote for the hourglass
Here's the breakdown:
Non-Hourglass | Hourglass
---|---
Mike N.| Rob O.
David A.
> I've got to agree with Rob here. It's just bad UI design (though clever
> idea) to use the thought bubbles.
As long as we can agree to disagree. Do you think incorrectly
implementing parts of a UI borrowed from an operating system completely
unrelated to the Palm UI is more intuitive?
> A suite of hourglass icons has been created.
They look good, but I still have my technical objections.
If it's an hourglass, it belongs in the middle of the viewport.
If it's going to remain on the toolbar, then it definately should
not be an hourglass, and it should
> Apologies for the multiple posts. Switched to Opera for email, but I
> think is going to have to be the last one (to be fair to them I didn't
> upgrade to Opera6).
You have a weird wrapping issue with your mail in that client,
actually. I'm not sure it's wrapping to <78 characters. It
> > If we were to use the hourglass, the "appropriate" place for it to be
> > would be in center of the viewport, not the upper-right corner.
> I agree; that is a good thought. There is an advantage ithough in that
> you can read the current screen display uninterrupted without the icon
> obscu
> This was the UI element that they didn't know straight off. Their
> response to me telling them its function is to inform you that the
> application is currenlty busy rendering is "Oh, It's like an hourglass
> or watchface". I don't see the merit of forcing a learning curve of
> different icons
> ... except that every other application on the planet uses it :-) ...
> but this one just doesn't look as nice as the thought bubbles.
It also sets Plucker apart as unique.
If we were to use the hourglass, the "appropriate" place for it to
be would be in center of the viewport
> Yeah, I'm not crazy about the hourglass either. But perhaps if it was a
> little smaller...
.. or a watch face or something less Microsoft'ian.
Just a few quick comments..
1. The version is wrong in the form (About Plucker), minor.
2. That hourglass, blecch. I like the thought bubbles.
/d
> The Handera code is in the 'handera' branch -- the Root-of-handera is a
> tag in the main trunk. When I create a new branch I always tag the main
> trunk to know where the branch is "rooted".
My bad, scrolled down too far in the list. I stand corrected.
> Here's what a typical command line looks like:
>
> java -classpath plucker-build.jar pluckit \
> -V 2 -H http://www.parc.com/ --bpp=0 -N "PARC Home Page" -p ~/temp -f PARCHomePage
Can I make a _STRONG_ recommendation here? Before we go releasing
more ports of the parser, can we pleas
> Ah, I found the 4.0 tar file on the Palm site. Color me
> short-sighted...
Stay short-sighted..
I found out that the POSE sources that Palm provides on their site
are *ALL DIFFERENT* in the .zip, .sit, and .tar.gz files. I assumed the
"Full sources" tarball meant _ALL_ the so
> I suppose it would be nice to maintain backward compatibility and
> provide the option not to build VFS support with the viewer. a la
> ./configure --disable-vfs
At one point, we had a proper autoconf/automake configure system,
built by Mike and myself.. which now begs the question, sh
> What I looked for was a way to protect the document, assuming only minor
> changes to the viewer or the document itself by an attacker.
Given the recent "awareness" of security issues lately, driven
mostly by the media, let's choose terms a bit differently here. How about
"obscure" the
> I'll re-do that prc to only do Plkr right now...
AAAH! Then it _WILL_ clobber the existing Plucker. PlkS is fine, it
doesn't conflict with any registered CreatorID that Palm knows about (though
that's not a guarantee that it won't clobber an app that has _NOT_
registered it's CrID with
> Installing it wont overwrite your existing copy of Plucker, It will
> create a new icon for Plucker-sony.
I just realized something. Installing this clobbers the icon
title itself, so that Plucker and Plucker-sony look identical.
Perhaps a shorter title on the icon?
Sony... Pl
> Sounds like we have a beta-testing volunteer :)
The more the merrier!
> Installing it wont overwrite your existing copy of Plucker, It will
> create a new icon for Plucker-sony.
EEK! I just checked Palm's database, and luckily we didn't clobber
any existing CreatorID, but per
> I'm happy to have a go at writing the code myself, but I thought I'd see
> if anyone is working on this at the moment and get some advice on where
> I might start if noone is.
There are two branches in the Plucker cvs currently that you may be
interested in testing/contributing/helping
> I'd go out and get a copy of Documents-To-Go (I think if you buy a
> HandEra it's included).
But that blows two of his requirements:
1. GPL
and 2. Work with Plucker content
> That being said, I think adding annotation would be interesting,
> particularly in a Fluid s
> However, I have a problem: what I'd also like to have is a simple editor
> (word processor), sufficient to take notes at a meeting or edit some
> file I'm working on.
Yet another one of my suggestions from 1999 or thereabouts that was
a couple of years ahead of it's time; being able to
> OK, I'll look into it. Dang Redhat and their non-standard Python
> anyway.
You mean Redhat actually uses _STANDARDS_ now? Since when?
> I tend to use Emacs with python-mode, and otherwise ignore tab settings.
> But I agree with you; let me check into it.
This is one huge pro
> I guess I should also confirm that this isn't local on my machine. Does
> the same thing happen for anyone else? Michael, you could probably test
> this :)
Once I get a laptop back up, and slap my drive back in it, I can try
this out for you. My build environment is frozen on a drive I
> /usr/local/palm/m68k-palmos/lib/libcrt.a(multi_dreloc.o)(.text+0xe):dreloc.c:
> relocation truncated to fit: DISP16 start collect2: ld returned 1 exit
> status make: *** [viewer] Error 1
Welcome to the 64k barrier. You need multiple segments, or jumps of
<32k between them.
> I'm 99% c
> Python 1.5.1 is not supported. You should have at least 1.5.2.
^ no _longer_ supported
We did support it at one time, but needs of the parser superceded
what was in Python 1.5. It conveys a different message when we say that it
is "not" supported. It's just semantics
list items
and anything else:
http://www.pilot-link.org/mailman/listinfo/pilot-link-general
Development list for pilot-link code, releases, patches, conduits,
bugs, testing:
http://www.pilot-link.org/mailman/listinfo/pilot-link-devel
Thanks.
Da
> Some time ago i suggested the pipe "|" as a filename seperator because
> this char is not allowed in any OS in an filename.
As Mike showed, it IS allowed in a filename, but it's not really
smart to do so, since it is also a pipe. Windows has a quirk also, using
spaces as both syntactic
> Amen. An entire tree in memory would bring this laptop of mine to its
> knees. While some of the DOM parsers certainly some have nice features,
> can't beat expat on the performance end.
There are some very good reasons to use SAX, however. Here's a short
rundown of how they ca
> Does anyone have an opinion on usage of an RDF/XML spec for describing
> the description of content that can be imported or exported into
> Plucker?
As a reference point:
http://www.xmlsoftware.com/parsers/
A good resource of the available XML parsers out there.
> Does anyone have an opinion on usage of an RDF/XML spec for describing
> the description of content that can be imported or exported into
> Plucker?
I'm all for it, as a storage container.
> Expat was chosen as the base because it is the fastest, validation isn't
> needed (or planned)
Regarding bug:
http://gnu-designs.org/bugs/view_bug_page.php?f_id=062
The way to achieve what you want is to use tags, as follows:
I want this
text to flow
just like this
and add some
Previous and Next
I just found this on the web:
http://www.mazingo.net/pc/list_rich.php?rich=N
Time to make some Pluckable content! I had most of these, but there
are some new ones in here too. Have fun!
/d
> please, could anyone send me this file? RH7.2 distro miss it! sucks
It's part of the netpbm2 package.
> Would you post those files online somewhere?... I'd be really curious to
> run them through a couple progs i've written for parsing plucker docs
> outside the viewer.
You can download the PHP manual from the Samples section on the main
Plucker page, and the other two versions can be fo
I just did some basic tests, and I notice on plain-text files that
iSilo and DOC both come out smaller than Plucker using zlib, and I can't
figure out why (using this massive PHP manual as a watermark). I've even
passed --no-urlinfo to try to cut down the number of strings taking up
space
I think I beat Mike now on the record for RAM consumption during a
Plucker parse. Parsing the single-file HTML version of the PHP manual on a
dual PIII/600 with 1GB of RAM.. plucker-build consumed over 502 megs of RAM,
and I finally had to cancel it.
Parsing the multiple-files HT
> Is that more like what you had in mind? To fetch slashdot only, for
> example, you'd use
Not quite, but this is usable.
What I'm suggesting is a --stayondomain feature, which will crawl
*ANY* virtual domain linked from the main url passed to -H. Any virtual
domains or subdoma
Ok, this may come across as harsh, so I apologize in advance.
Can we _PLEASE_ figure out what we're doing with these two arguments
to the parser, because neither of them do anything useful at this point, and
the functionality of Plucker is severely limited with them. I've suggest
> Just curious... are you talking about AvantGo and their recent patent or
> some other company?
AvantGo's patent doesn't affect us at all, other than drive more of
their customers and clients towards using our solution. This specifically
deals with another company entirely. I don't want
> 1. Any ideas on when the next plucker release will be? Just curious.
That's up to team concensus. We're all working hard on various
things, not all of them Plucker-related. Many of us have day jobs also.
> 2. As a suggestion, on the website you should have a link to the search
> page
> I wanted a way to do passworded databases for quite some time, but
> beaming them means propagation of the password, or a hash of it (ala
> md5/XOR). I'm all for it.
I just re-read that last sentence again, and it didn't come out
quite right. What I mean is, I'm all for keyed/passworde
> I've been pondering a way of putting a key in some of my books, so that
> they will only open on my Palm devices. I thought I'd describe the
> scheme I'm thinking of, for comments from others.
It's funny how many ideas I've had awhile back that keep coming bck
up after awhile. Heheh.
> Really sorry to do this but the list must be subscriber-only from now
> on.
Good work, Mark. Actually, I'm a bit surprised this hasn't happened
sooner. The only reason we really kept the list open for public post (IIRC)
was so that bugs could get reported, without subscribing. Now with
> I don't think your problem is with urllib.py, and I'm beginning to doubt
> it's with Python at all. Do you have any idea where, in the code, the
> truncation occurs?
Can't you run it through pdb.py and poke around?
> Did you ever get this cleared up? Are you still having this problem?
Let's make sure we reference the original bug report:
http://gnu-designs.org/bugs/view_bug_page.php?f_id=34
It makes it easier to trace back to, and it will be captured in the
mailing list (a
> I like having one site per file kind of better than having one large
> plucker file. I suspect there are things I could do about this with
> plucker as well.
Each of us probably does it differently, so we'll all have different
answers. I personally either point directly to the URL I wa
> The general thread is about the change of policy in AvantGo.
Great! Thanks for the speedy reply and translation.
> The dutch palmclub offers a page to it's members for these channels and
> people suspect to have problems downloading channels from this page.
> That's why the frowns.
...translate this for us:
http://pdaclub.nl/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4918
There's a link on there too which leads to another small forum of
messages. The Dutch translation engine I found was *REALLY* rough, and I
couldn't quite make out out what this conversatio
Digging around trying to explain what transcoding was to someone, I
stumbled upon this, which actually is an incredibly well laid out document
on the matter:
http://www9.org/w9cdrom/169/169.html
Have a great weekend everyone!
/d
> (David, how about putting a link to this archive on our Web page? And
> there's also an archive for plucker-list
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/plucker-list%40rubberchicken.org/)).
There is, click on Mailing List.
/d
> The plucker-dev archive is at
> http://www.mail-archive.com/plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org/. I'm not sure
> why the Web site doesn't have a link.
Corrected. I'll get the harvester back online. Movers show up
Monday, so my entire network is packed in a box, not much I can do until I
hit
> Visor's flash module don't utilize VFS. It is (read only) memory which is
> mapped to DragonBall's address space, but card number is 1.
I'd be interested in enlisting your help to get VFS + Card 1..n
supported in pilot-link, contact me directly if we can use your Visor and
memory modul
> please let me know, if Plucker is available for other platforms like
> CASIO, HP Journada Motorola Accompli, Compaq, Windows CE etc?
Do you mean platforms? Or do you mean architectures?
ARM, MIPS, Motorola are the architectures you mention above...
Casio Compaq are Ha
> > Plucker 1.1.12 was configured as follows:
> You'll need at least Plucker 1.5.2, or later, for Plucker. 1.1.12 is
^^^ Python
> wildly out of date. I'll add a check to the configure file for this.
/d
> Just got a copy of Plucker last week and it's been a great help to me (I
> switched from AvantGo, when I find it refused to download some of the
> 200k-300k files I wanted to read offline).
Ah, another wonderful limitation of AvantGo. You just gave me an
idea for another article for th
> > Also, the version required should probably be added to the REQUIREMENTS
> > file,
> This is not a *version* problem. We can't control what options Red Hat
> will enable for the tools they include in their distro...
Funny you should mention that. I was messing with dosemu yesterday
t
> I also tried it on another computer with more memory and it did finish
> after running for a while, but using over 85M of memory to create a 100k
> Plucker document seems a bit excessive ;-)
(pulls on the asbestos bodysuit and prepares to be doused in flames)
I just loOOOO
> > to you that Bluefish is using the Plucker browser and distributing it as
> > their own, or more appropriatly, not giving Plucker it's credit.
Ah, another one. What are we up to now, two, three?
> Guess I should contact the publisher and request either that they provide
> the source
> But like as you can see in the attached screen shot, the connection the
> the internet failed !!!:-( Error 4 getaddrinfo failed)
"authentification"? Ok, who put that in there... Dirk?
/d
> after running plucker with the NOIMAGE option there are many [img] labels
> in the document. Is it possible to remove them by setting an option? I
> would like to have the pure text version. Thanks.
I've seen this request so many times now, I'd like to suggest a new
parser option: --bp
Just a quick note to the core Plucker team members (those with cvs
commit access):
When committing changes to Plucker, can you please also remember to
update the toplevel ChangLog file with your log message as well? I have
received a few messages (most recent today) that seem to
> I'd appreciate some feedback about this. From the info on the Web, it
> appears Plucker is no longer maintained (since 2001-10-27, at least). I'll
> stop sending bug reports if this is the case.
Plucker is quite actively maintained, in fact. How about joining the
mailing lists and part
> Is anyone else interested in using anything like this included with
> plucker itself?
Since that was my baby to begin with, of course I'm interested =)
This may help you a bit in understanding some of the architecture:
http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=126104
/
> ps-ok just discovered plucker is creating new unfiled memos... one per url
> copied; so i think the above is still valid-but if i find time i can make
> a script to parse the memos :-)
Or use the attached, from Mike.
/d
/* pluckerlinks - Download Plucker links and put them in a h
> 1. Plucker currently takes too long to render the next or previous page
> when scrolling (at least, too long compared to iSilo). I suppose that
> this speed problem could be taken care of if Plucker pre-rendered the
> next and previous pages while the current page is being viewed.
> Displaying w
my @greeting = ('happy', 'merry', 'joyous');
my @holiday = ('Christmas', 'New Years', 'Hanukka',
'Kwanzaa', 'Ramadan');
I updated the website a bit, based on some user suggestions I've been
receiving. I nuked those icons down the left (they didn't really relate
to anyth
> cvs server: cannot open /root/.cvsignore: Permission denied
> cvs [server aborted]: can't chdir(/root): Permission denied
> bash-2.05$
I don't know why that happens from time to time, but it's all st now.
You should be able to log in and check out the source as before.
/d
> Is there any way in which we can segregate the Single database into a number
> of databases.
How would you represent the "breaks" in the content as you are
downloading a webpage into separate pages? You can easily manage this
with a combination of the exclusionlist.txt, and crea
> David: Please could you check Plucker-1.1.13.exe on the plkr.org
> Server? Some People reported an corrupted download of this file.
>
> "md5sum.exe -b Plucker-1.1.13.exe" Report for the right one:
>
> 50efbddea309080f1950f71887dde30f *Plucker-1.1.13.exe
plucker/download/plucker-1.1# time md5s
> I don't know, I don't care too much about spacer.gif, blank.gif, 1x1.gif
> and all those other images commonly used in bad HTML... I think a
> switch to get rid of images completely would harm noone and help
> someone.
That's not HTML. HTML is meant for presentation, not layout. When
> Is there an HTML or PDF version of the manual on-line anywhere? I
> looked at the Web site, but nothing jumped out at me.
Ok, I just poked around in there. I'm not a Latex guy, but the
conversion was a no-brainer, once I fixed the incorrect references to images
which don't exist in ./
> Is there an HTML or PDF version of the manual on-line anywhere? I
> looked at the Web site, but nothing jumped out at me.
There's always been an ancient copy under plkr.org/docs. Alexander
used to convert it to HTML, but I can automate that, I suppose. I just got
back from my flight,
I just found this on Freshmeat while looking for popt stuff:
http://www.sandroid.org/GutenMark/
GutenMark is a tool for automatically creating high-quality HTML (or
LaTeX) markup from Project Gutenberg etexts. In combination with
other freely-available c
> i just looked over the stuff about the badtrans issus that recently hit
> the list, and i was thinking do we realy need extentions in the list, we
> shlould just make this a text only list, that would solve things. just a
> guess.
Not a really good idea, since we send attachments to th
> Are you interesting in porting the Plucker parser to Mac OS X (10.1)?
> Although I'm not a developer, I would be willing to help you with
> testing and feedback ...
It should work where the Python parser works, and the new gui that
Robert and Mike have pulled together should work as we
> I was at a seminar yesterday and understood that Plucker could be use on
> Pocket PC devices like the Compaq IPAQ. Is that correct or did i have
> my hearing aid turned off?
What seminar was that? Where was it? Who said that?
...and yes, Mike has been working on a Linux port
> Should I send it to the whole list?
Definately *NOT* the entire list =) Just send to Dirk or Robert,
Mike or myself, and we'll poke/prod into the cvs as necessary.
/d
> WARNING - this message contained a trojan horse/virus!
Thanks. For a public mailing list, sometimes these are unavoidable.
The headers of his original message proved even more revealing, when
cross-referenced with the logs from the Plucker server itself (though the
Plucker mailing list
> > FYI, I have ported the parser code (1.11?) to C++
>
> When will you release the source code?
Related to this, has anyone looked at the Fling-It stuff I mentioned
a few weeks back? I haven't heard a peep on the list about it.
Also, I found an interesting application today cal
> I upgraded the showcase dialog (now in CVS) to have an option to do
> channel previews.
How exactly are you doing this? Are you rendering an
actually-gathered PDB file on the desktop? Or are you simply gathering the
raw website into a 160x160 pane?
/d
> It was a quick "hack" I did six months ago, so I guess I should clean it
> up a bit...
It'll need a quick modification when I release the new pilot-link.
The whole libpisock backend is being rewritten substantially to implement
protocol "recipes", so we can have per-device protocol sep
> Example: I'm reading the downloaded news and I click on a link that was
> not downloaded. I select this link (via checkbox) I name the link i.e.
> "Link that was not downloaded the last time" and I select the depth of
> gathering the information. When I come to another non-downloaded link, I
>
I just thought I'd share this with the list. I responded to him as
best I could, but that last sentence is... well... insulting, given all the
work we've put into this FREE project in our SPARE time.
*sigh*
Incidentally, I'm off to the Right Coast for a few weeks in abou
> the windows installer just doesn't download from the Freeprohosting
> site. Why can't I get it? It just brings me back to the same document
> with the download link on it. What can I do?
Click the link right below that that says 'local mirror'.
/d
> > Does the --no-urlinfo switch exist in config sections for a plucker config
> > file, like a urlinfo=1 or something?
>
> Yes, but it is called no_url_info (only "documented" in the source
> code:)
Can we change that to be syntactically similar to the commandline
one?
/d
Can someone translate this?
http://www.palmare.cz/PalmOS/PalmOS_Kancelar/plucker2010906.html
>I'm wondering if you plan to include an option to copy selected text
> to the clipboard in a future version of Plucker? iSilo 2.58 does this,
> and it's the *only* reason I haven't deleted it from my Palm yet. =)
I should have an auto-responder answer these =)
http://www.pl
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