Diametrically opposed to that is..
At some point the "very skilled programmer" must transition from being
a skilled programmer, to being able to *enable* average-skilled
programmers to produce above-average code.
The true measure of a development manager isn't how many lines of code
s/he puts ou
"Orlando Andico" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Productive super-programmers are really hard to come by. You for
> example, can probably be out-coded by 5 ordinary guys. And 5 ordinary
> guys are easier to come by.
By quantity, no doubt. How about quality? :D
Cheers,
Zakame (more entropy!!!)
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Rafael Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> True enough, but the key word you use is "in aggregate." That says
> nothing of their *individual* productivity. Obviously the people at
> the best at this craft will, individually, be many times more
> productive than those not at the top of the food
No argument there, which is why I said "in aggregate."
Productive super-programmers are really hard to come by. You for
example, can probably be out-coded by 5 ordinary guys. And 5 ordinary
guys are easier to come by.
On 3/29/07, Rafael Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
True enough, but the k
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:43:54 +0800
"Orlando Andico" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pardon me, but this is the sort of self-congratulatory stuff that
> seems to permeate the F/OSS mailing lists. I think that those NOT at
> the top of the food chain do more valuable work, in aggregate, and
> produce mo
I'm definitely NOT a coder/developer just a typical computer user. I used
to tinker heavily with Linux couple of years ago but lately not much just
occassional use of BLAG/Puppy and other live CD's. IMHO the journey to
Linux will not be complete until you learn how to use an editor to
edit text/con
On 3/29/07, Rafael Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The people at the top of the programming skill chain would most likely
have a better idea of what constitutes a good editor, than these
workaday programmers of whom only a few have ever programmed or even
seen a system different from their own
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:57:58 +0800
"Orlando Andico" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One thing missing from this long discussion is "the other side."
>
> There are more Delphi programmers, or Visual Basic programmers, than
> ten generations of open-source developers put together. Guess what
> editor
One thing missing from this long discussion is "the other side."
There are more Delphi programmers, or Visual Basic programmers, than
ten generations of open-source developers put together. Guess what
editor those guys are using.
On 3/29/07, Robert Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Having s
This thread moves closer and closer to the edge of the slippery slope.
=)
The best editor debate has played itself out thousands of times before
- just Google "Emacs vs. vim" and you'll get about a million results.
But the question of the best editor has no single answer and is really
more
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:40:15 +0800, "Orlando Andico" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> emacs may have been bloated in the redhat3 days. but nowadays its pretty
> sleek.
>
> eclipse is in a completely different league. heck its even more
> bloated than JDeveloper! if you read the reviews comparing com
According to Lawrence Guirre:
> I've used vi(m) exclusively when doing admin and programming tasks that
> navigating around it
> feels second nature. So second nature that sometimes when I write email
> (Thunderbird) or IM
> I instinctively press ESC, expecting I would exit edit mode. :P
Ha
ralph bacolod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What a bloat .when I try to install emacs it takes about 224 mb of
> real estate.. I wonder how much vim takes up..
Get a bigger harddrive then. Its no excuse. :P
Or install Emacs without X11. Its still somewhat bigger than vim, at
~20MB, but then ag
I've used vi(m) exclusively when doing admin and programming tasks that
navigating around it
feels second nature. So second nature that sometimes when I write email
(Thunderbird) or IM
I instinctively press ESC, expecting I would exit edit mode. :P
John Peter Loh wrote:
...and everytime I u
...and everytime I use Windows Notepad, I accidentally type :wq when I'm done.
On 3/28/07, Arys P. Deloso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
vi(m)
I tried it the first time I immersed myself in Linux. (I remember
using the tutorial installed)
It was very hard to understand at first (because of command
On 3/28/07, joebert jacaba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i use vi. i have used nano. i cant comment on emacs because i have
never used it and dont plan to use it. if i need bloated i use eclipse
for development.
vi(m)
I tried it the first time I immersed myself in Linux. (I remember
using the tut
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:06:14PM +0800, Robert Locke wrote:
> >If it's any consideration, Zak and I are both Emacs users (sorry Zak
> >:P).
> Glad to hear I'm not alone. :-)
> >Personally, and like I said, I use Emacs as my primary editor of choice
> >for most of my editing work, vim for admini
If it's any consideration, Zak and I are both Emacs users (sorry Zak
:P).
Glad to hear I'm not alone. :-)
Personally, and like I said, I use Emacs as my primary editor of choice
for most of my editing work, vim for administrative tasks (and editing
of files over an ssh connection)
Me too. A
JM Ibanez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If it's any consideration, Zak and I are both Emacs users (sorry Zak
> :P).
Buwahahaha! Oh well, let Emacs back on the editors-kill-ring :P
> The one reason I find why I always seem to gravitate towards Emacs is
> its extensive repertoire of keyboard shor
emacs may have been bloated in the redhat3 days. but nowadays its pretty sleek.
eclipse is in a completely different league. heck its even more
bloated than JDeveloper! if you read the reviews comparing commercial
Java IDE's, JDeveloper always comes out at the top in the speed and
responsiveness
i use vi. i have used nano. i cant comment on emacs because i have
never used it and dont plan to use it. if i need bloated i use eclipse
for development.
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On 3/27/07, Zak B. Elep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So this really kicks Emacs out of this discussion. :P
Anyway, here's some more interesting (if albeit editor-agnostic)
questions for everybody:
What motivates you to use your current editor? Does it really let you
edit stuff, or does it let yo
Robert Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> So this really kicks Emacs out of this discussion. :P
>
> Touché!
If it's any consideration, Zak and I are both Emacs users (sorry Zak
:P).
Personally, and like I said, I use Emacs as my primary editor of choice
for most of my editing work, vim for adm
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Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [plug] My favorite text editors: JOE and GEDIT
Rafael Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Why use vi when he could far more easily do the sam
Rafael Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Why use vi when he could far more easily do the same with sed? Would
> be a lot faster too, especially if the files are in any way large:
>
> sed -e 's/\r$//' doslineending-file >unixlineending-file
Change dos.*file and unix.* file to $1 and $2, prepen
"Jed R. Mallen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> i never did liked point n click apps. if an editor relies on the mouse
> -- it's out of my list.
You'd probably won't like acme. But then again, there are no buttons in
that editor, just windows and taglines, both editable to the point that
you can c
> So this really kicks Emacs out of this discussion. :P
Touché!
Rob
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Robert Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The bloat can be excused if you consider that in addition to its basic
> function as an editor you can also run shells, a mail client, gdb, and
> even a game of tetris - so it's really more of an OS than an editor! ;-)
So this really kicks Emacs out of t
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:41:39 -0400
thad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Earlier an Oracle DBA asked me to install unix2dos for AIX because he
> has problem scripts written in windows with ^M trailings. I told him
> to use vi instead, cut and insert his windows written scripts and if
> he has trailing
joe here too. configurable as hell. light as a feather. easy as pie.
tho i want to go back to emacs again now that hard disks are cheaper
and space (and bloat?) are not a problem anymore as compared to back
when i was running rh5.0 on a 486 with 540-1gb space (shared with win
3.11 and later win98)
The bloat can be excused if you consider that in addition to its basic
function as an editor you can also run shells, a mail client, gdb, and
even a game of tetris - so it's really more of an OS than an editor!
;-)
On 03 27, 07, at 9:38 AM, Orlando Andico wrote:
well, yeah, you know.. emacs
Earlier an Oracle DBA asked me to install unix2dos for AIX because he
has problem scripts written in windows with ^M trailings. I told him
to use vi instead, cut and insert his windows written scripts and if
he has trailing problem with ^M do a :%s/^M//g
On 3/26/07, Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTEC
well, yeah, you know.. emacs.. cough cough. :)
seriously speaking, emacs may once have been a huge piece of
bloatware, but compared to say Eclipse, i'm sure it's pretty speedy
nowadays.
On 3/27/07, Robert Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I hate to weigh in on an editor discussion as it can l
I hate to weigh in on an editor discussion as it can lead down the
slippery slope to an all-out editor war, but I have to give "props" to
Stallman and the FSF for creating the infinitely customizable and
extensible Emacs - my editor of choice since, well, a lng time ago.
:-)
Rob
On 03
The auto back-up feature of GEdit is definitely annoying. My favorite
editors are vi on cli and scite on X and win32.
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vi, nano or mc
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I'm not sure but I guess it includes cursor position. I'm referring to
this[1]. My only problem with GVIM is sometimes, it gets rendering
problems both on Windows or Linux (FC6).
[1] http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/usr_21.html#21.4
On 3/26/07, Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ses
Session-saving meaning save cursor position, that sort of stuff? I think so...
NEdit is fine but not great. Its major claims to fame are Motif
widgets, CUA interface (Ctrl-C to copy, Ctrl-X to cut...) block
indent/un-indent, syntax highlighting. Ten years ago when I was
starting out, NEdit was gr
I was checking out NEdit, does it have session saving capabilities
like Vim? Might switch as well. :D
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vi is pretty powerful actually. a couple of my colleagues here at work
are vi wizards and it's amazing what they can do with this "little"
editor.
i've been using PICO (and PINE) for ages but now it's nano that ships
with linux distributions. All crude and primitive. for coding i've
used NEdit li
This is an interesting subject. I have only used vi, EMACS and PICO.
Of the three of those, I prefer vi, probably because that is what I have
used since 1992. Maybe it is time to look at something a little more
user friendly.
John Peter Loh wrote:
gvim pa rin, Windows or Linux. For those wh
gvim pa rin, Windows or Linux. For those who do not want to go with
the trouble of tweaking the config, you can try Cream.
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I'm still vi and vim for windows. I have no need for fancy ed.
On 3/26/07, Zak B. Elep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Pablo Manalastas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I mention that gedit is a multi-document editor with syntax
> highlighting, parenthesis matching, optional line numbering, etc.
> Sinc
Pablo Manalastas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I mention that gedit is a multi-document editor with syntax
> highlighting, parenthesis matching, optional line numbering, etc.
> Since it runs under GNOME, you can cut-and-paste between gedit and
> other GNOME applications. Since it runs under X-win
I vote for vim/gvim and geany ;-) sometimes mousepad if I really need
something plain.
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Gedit has syntax highlighting. If you start a new file, gedit does not know if
you are working on C/C++/Java/HTML, so by default, it does not highlight.
But the moment you save your file, the colors show. So what I do is, when I
start a new file, I immediately save the blank document under the co
i end up using Nano.
quite a step down. Then i use jacobe to clean up the code from the
command-line. still very sub-optimal, but thankfully i don't need to
code much.
i guess My Favorite Editor would have...
- anti-aliased fonts
- syntax highlighting
- code folding (subsumes bracket matching) t
Kate has sucky code-folding.
But then again both GEdit and NEdit don't have it at all.
What I hate about Kate (wow, rhymes!) is that it screws up my
indentation when you fold/unfold code blocks.
Yeah, I know. That's why I'm now using Eclipse (LOL). But if you really
don't like bloat, there's
Kate has sucky code-folding.
But then again both GEdit and NEdit don't have it at all.
What I hate about Kate (wow, rhymes!) is that it screws up my
indentation when you fold/unfold code blocks.
On 3/26/07, Allister Levi Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kate is nice -- if you're using KDE :-
On 3/26/07, Pablo Manalastas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
applications. Since it runs under X-window, you can
run gedit on a remote host, and have the results
displayed on your local Linux PC. Can Windows do this?
Well, kind of. That's what the Remote Desktop Protocol is for. And it
uses much mu
Kate is nice -- if you're using KDE :-)
On 3/26/07, Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Trouble is Gedit doesn't have syntax highlighting.
I still prefer NEdit, trouble is NEdit is Motif-based and doesn't have
Pango and nice font anti-aliasing.
Since I'm not a full-time developer anymor
Trouble is Gedit doesn't have syntax highlighting.
I still prefer NEdit, trouble is NEdit is Motif-based and doesn't have
Pango and nice font anti-aliasing.
Since I'm not a full-time developer anymore, I don't want to have to
deal with the bloat of Eclipse.
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In my Yahoo blog for March 25, 2007:
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-0OCENX4haau1oA38TsiK4DP2YLk-?cq=1&p=6
I mention that gedit is a multi-document editor with
syntax highlighting, parenthesis matching, optional
line numbering, etc. Since it runs under GNOME, you
can cut-and-paste between gedit a
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