Re: Best Computer Science School in Utah

2007-09-24 Thread Levi Pearson
Brandon Stout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Has anyone experienced a good CS program that promotes Open Source, or > at least a contrast of MS against OS? That's what I'd like to hear > about. I have experience with both BYU and UVSC CS programs. As Michael said, BYU is more focused on theory,

Re: Best Computer Science School in Utah

2007-09-24 Thread Alex Esplin
On 9/24/07, Brandon Stout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a drawback to several Universities. I'd say way too many of them > teach their students MS products exclusively. I argue that any > University CS department that only studies and uses MS products cannot > be a quality CS department? I

Re: Best Computer Science School in Utah

2007-09-24 Thread Brandon Stout
I got my MS degree from the Universtiy of Phoenix. UOP also has a BS program in CIS. This degree may not be what most of you are looking for since it's more of a management degree - management over CIS employees. I liked attending UOP because: 1. I had enough tuition reimbursement to pay f

Re: Utah Open Source Planet

2007-09-24 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 21:55 -0600, Brad Midgley wrote: > man, can I cast a vote against disembodied heads? I promise, it doesn't hurt that bad. > There can be so much in a photograph that makes it interesting, to say > nothing of a NECK. It's a hackergohi, not a flicker photo album. What's this

Re: Best Computer Science School in Utah

2007-09-24 Thread Michael L Torrie
John Anderson wrote: > > Yeah, I was hoping people would give their reasons for why they think its > the best, > everyone has their opinion on whats more important. > > So, to clear things up, I want to add "And why?" =) I only went to one school, so I can't give you a reason why my school woul

Re: Best Computer Science School in Utah

2007-09-24 Thread Michael L Torrie
Stephen Shaw wrote: > On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:25 PM, John Anderson wrote: > >> Whats the best (in your humble opinion) computer science school in >> Utah? >> >> /* >> PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net >> Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug >> Don't fear the penguin. >>

Re: Best Computer Science School in Utah

2007-09-24 Thread John Anderson
On 9/24/07, Stephen Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > That really depends. There are some problems that focus on theory > and others that focus on practical experience. > > Stephen Yeah, I was hoping people would give their reasons for why they think its the best, everyone has their opinio

Re: Best Computer Science School in Utah

2007-09-24 Thread Stephen Shaw
On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:25 PM, John Anderson wrote: Whats the best (in your humble opinion) computer science school in Utah? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */ That really depends. There are some

Best Computer Science School in Utah

2007-09-24 Thread John Anderson
Whats the best (in your humble opinion) computer science school in Utah? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: Congrats to Josh

2007-09-24 Thread Steve
Wow I want to start a million dollar company too :) Glad to know all the ideas weren't burned up in the dot bomb. On 9/24/07, Dave Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Congrats Josh on a job well done: > > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/23/breaking-online-backup-startup-mozy-acquired-by-emc-for

Re: LinkedIn Update

2007-09-24 Thread Scott Barlow
On 9/24/07, Ryan Simpkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, September 24, 2007 16:56, Scott Barlow wrote: > > On 9/24/07, Ryan Simpkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> 3) Change "Displaying the group logo to non-group members:" to "Yes" > and > >> save > >> the changes. > > > > Some of my

Congrats to Josh

2007-09-24 Thread Dave Smith
Congrats Josh on a job well done: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/23/breaking-online-backup-startup-mozy-acquired-by-emc-for-76-million/ --Dave /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: LinkedIn Update

2007-09-24 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On 9/24/07, Ryan Simpkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some of my groups have that option, but this PLUG isn't one of them. Maybe a > > setting on the Admin side? > > Yes there was, but I enabled it before sending my original post. I had the > option immediately after I enabled it. Is anyone else

Re: LinkedIn Update

2007-09-24 Thread Ryan Simpkins
On Mon, September 24, 2007 16:56, Scott Barlow wrote: > On 9/24/07, Ryan Simpkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> 3) Change "Displaying the group logo to non-group members:" to "Yes" and >> save >> the changes. > > Some of my groups have that option, but this PLUG isn't one of them. Maybe a > sett

Re: LinkedIn Update

2007-09-24 Thread Scott Barlow
On 9/24/07, Ryan Simpkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 3) Change "Displaying the group logo to non-group members:" to "Yes" and > save > the changes. Some of my groups have that option, but this PLUG isn't one of them. Maybe a setting on the Admin side? Regards, Scott /* PLUG: http://plug.

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Brian Hawkins
I'm sure you are right. I'm more of a casual Mac user. I have not got into it enough to find all the software sweet spots on the net for Mac. One thing is for certain if I buy a new laptop it will be a Mac. Brian On 9/24/07, Alex Esplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/24/07, Brian Hawkins

Re: proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Paul Seamons
> The "proper" method of disposing of a TV or monitor is to take off the > outer case, then put it in a cardboard box (the thicker the cardboard, > the better). Push a crowbar down inside, close the flaps, turn your > head away from the box, and break the neck with the crowbar. (The neck > is tha

Re: proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Brandon Stout
Steven Alligood wrote: > OK, Guys. > > High school Electronics class. > > The "proper" method of disposing of a TV or monitor is to take off the > outer case, then put it in a cardboard box (the thicker the cardboard, > the better). Push a crowbar down inside, close the flaps, turn your > head awa

Re: proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Steven Alligood
OK, Guys. High school Electronics class. The "proper" method of disposing of a TV or monitor is to take off the outer case, then put it in a cardboard box (the thicker the cardboard, the better). Push a crowbar down inside, close the flaps, turn your head away from the box, and break the nec

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Bart Whiteley
On 9/24/07, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brian Hawkins wrote: > > I hate installing from source. I want a binary installer that comes > with > > the libraries it depends on and have it install into a single > directory. I > > know it is possible because Windows and Macintosh can

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Shane Hathaway
Shane Hathaway wrote: > Please try Klik, Autopackage, and GoboLinux. Let us know what you > like/dislike about them. > > http://klik.atekon.de/ > http://www.autopackage.org/ > http://www.gobolinux.org/ Also: http://0install.org/ http://www.gnome.org/~alexl/glick/ Shane /* PLUG: http://plug.o

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Alex Esplin
On 9/24/07, Brian Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes I'm very familiar with how Mac does it. I have one. I love it except > that there are not very many programs for the Mac. This technique for > installing programs seems so brain dead simple, I just don't understand why > Linux does not g

Re: proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Alex Esplin
On 9/24/07, Hans Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Take it to the shooting range and stick an Action Target on it and shoot > it? I've done this many a time with old monitors and TVs because in my neck of the woods anywhere out away from people is the shooting range, and there are no range master

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Shane Hathaway
Brian Hawkins wrote: > I hate installing from source. I want a binary installer that comes with > the libraries it depends on and have it install into a single directory. I > know it is possible because Windows and Macintosh can do it. If I could > just figure out a way to get Linux to do it I w

Re: proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 02:07:52PM -0600, Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote: > +++ Hans Fugal [24/09/07 12:55 -0600]: > > Take it to the shooting range and stick an Action Target on it and shoot > > it? > > My disposal solution is highly hypothetical and theoretical and is in no way > intended to disparage

LinkedIn Update

2007-09-24 Thread Ryan Simpkins
Hi all, I thought I'd throw out a quick LinkedIn update. They changed the rules for group visibility. Previously only members of the LinkedIn group could see the group icon on others' profiles. You had to pay something like $9000 to change that. Well, that is no longer the case. It is now free. An

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Brian Hawkins
On 9/24/07, Lonnie Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like your overall idea, but there are a few problems with it. > 1. Multiple copies of libraries can be really annoying. Take the > OpenSSL library and it's trusted root CA list. Maintaining several > lists is not fun. There are some appl

Re: proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Dr. Scott S. Jones
+++ Hans Fugal [24/09/07 12:55 -0600]: > Take it to the shooting range and stick an Action Target on it and shoot > it? My disposal solution is highly hypothetical and theoretical and is in no way intended to disparage any one! > Seriously though (not that I wouldn't take it out and shoot it,

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Brian Hawkins
On 9/24/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/24/07, Brian Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This brings up another grip of mine. Kernel modules that must be > rebuild > > whenever the kernel is updated. Especially when those updates are minor > > version changes (probably bug f

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Brian Hawkins
Just because it is written down does not mean it was written down by a bunch of die hards with baggage. The hole reason for splitting your programs between /usr and /var is so you can mount /usr read only for security. And it could be argued that this was done to make up for the lack of security

Re: proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
I heard that DI won't take items like monitors anymore. Is that true? Not sure, but perhaps… they have stopped taking appliances. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't

Re: proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Merrill Oveson
I heard that DI won't take items like monitors anymore. Is that true? On 9/24/07, Hans Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Take it to the shooting range and stick an Action Target on it and shoot > it? > > Seriously though (not that I wouldn't take it out and shoot it, but I > have no idea if th

Re: proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 12:55:28PM -0600, Hans Fugal wrote: > Take it to the shooting range and stick an Action Target on it and shoot > it? > > Seriously though (not that I wouldn't take it out and shoot it, but I > have no idea if that counts as environmentally friendly), does it work? Not only

Re: proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Hans Fugal
Take it to the shooting range and stick an Action Target on it and shoot it? Seriously though (not that I wouldn't take it out and shoot it, but I have no idea if that counts as environmentally friendly), does it work? If it still works maybe you can sell it for $5 to MAS computers or give it to D

proper disposal of a monitor

2007-09-24 Thread Merrill Oveson
I've got an old monitor and I'm tempted to toss it into my trash can. But being a conscientious person, I know this is not environmentally sound. (Or is this ok?) So how do I properly dispose of it? Where should I take it? Are there fees? Thanks Merrill Oveson /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Bryan Sant
On 9/24/07, Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *BSD does have a pretty stable driver ABI, yes. > > Linux is coming at it from a fundamentally different POV than solaris or > BSD. Linux' goals are different. > > Linus' point is that drivers belong in kernel proper anyway, and should > be

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Lonnie Olson
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 10:30 -0600, Brian Hawkins wrote: > OK I've ranted long enough, here is my solution. Change the package manager > to install everything under one directory. For example if I were to install > Postgres on my system it would create a directory /programs/postgres82/ and > put t

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Michael L Torrie
Bryan Sant wrote: > Because Linus Torvalds does not believe (and strongly defends) that > binary compatibility is a hindrance not a help. I TOTALLY disagree. > I understand that not worrying about maintaining a backwards > compatible ABI can make life a little easier for kernel developers who > wa

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Bart Whiteley
On 9/24/07, Brian Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My suspicion is that the file system layout > for Linux has a lot of baggage that die hards are not willing to get rid > of. > > The file system layout is a published standard http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ Required by the LSB http://refspecs.l

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Bryan Sant
On 9/24/07, Brian Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This brings up another grip of mine. Kernel modules that must be rebuild > whenever the kernel is updated. Especially when those updates are minor > version changes (probably bug fixes). There are lots of ways to make this > smoother for end

Obstacles to Change (was Re: Distro idea)

2007-09-24 Thread Levi Pearson
"Brian Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My suspicion is that the file system layout for Linux has a lot of > baggage that die hards are not willing to get rid of. I think you're partly right. I believe there's a kind of mystic religion built around UNIX that has made it immune from real cr

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Brian Hawkins
On 9/23/07, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Brian Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > OK I've ranted long enough, here is my solution. Change the package > manager > > to install everything under one directory. For example if I were to > install > > Postgres on my system it

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Brian Hawkins
On 9/24/07, Nicholas Leippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sunday 23 September 2007, Barry Roberts wrote: > > You still have a kernel. Some libraries (especially libc) just don't > > work with other kernels. Plus there are kernel-related things that crop > > up. If your program accesses USB,

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Nicholas Leippe
On Sunday 23 September 2007, Barry Roberts wrote: > You still have a kernel. Some libraries (especially libc) just don't > work with other kernels. Plus there are kernel-related things that crop > up. If your program accesses USB, do you assume udev? You can't just > install it if the kernel is

Re: Distro idea

2007-09-24 Thread Nicholas Leippe
I believe GNU Stow can do this for you. Nick /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */