People don't always blame their locality. I grew up in Santa Fe, and the
"bad drivers" were the Texans visiting the ski area (Texas for all its
bigness has no mountains, you may recall).
In Connecticut/Rhode Island people recognized that drivers were
inconsiderate, selfish, aggressive, and downri
On 8/23/07, Joseph Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm glad the police academy includes a course on moving red queen to
> black king while making a left-hand turn.
>
Didn't realize you could get your MCSE at the academy (Minesweeper Certified
Solitaire Expert)
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> On Thursday 23 August 2007, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> Studies has shown that the passenger next to the driver in the car actually
> assists the driver.
Merrill, I bow to your superior insight. It makes sense, and makes me
re-evaluate my position on the matter.
On 8/23/07, Nicholas Leippe <[EMAIL
On Thu, August 23, 2007 4:53 pm, justin wrote:
> On 8/23/07, Nicholas Leippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This all makes sense, and I agree about distracted driving. Still, all this
>> attention on cell phones makes me wonder, why has this same issue not
>> surfaced regarding the police and their
On 8/23/07, Nicholas Leippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This all makes sense, and I agree about distracted driving. Still, all this
> attention on cell phones makes me wonder, why has this same issue not
> surfaced regarding the police and their radios, or truckers and their CBs
> during the past
On Thursday 23 August 2007, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> Studies has shown that the passenger next to the driver in the car actually
> assists the driver.
> He/she will notice potentially dangerous situations and alert the driver.
> The conversation will also pause if the driver is performing an action
Studies has shown that the passenger next to the driver in the car actually
assists the driver.
He/she will notice potentially dangerous situations and alert the driver.
The conversation will also pause if the driver is performing an action which
requires a lot of attention, i.e. turning left at a
On 8/23/07, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I suspect you're talking about Presidente Saraiva!
>
;-p ayup, that man was a demon behind the wheel.
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On 8/23/07, Corey Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And one final curiousity, at night drivers turn their lights off at red
> lights so as to not blind the opposing traffic. It's not a law, but
> pretty much everybody does it.
>
>
And in most of Brasil, and the Philippines, they just don't use
On Thursday 23 August 2007, Shane Hathaway wrote:
> Although it works smoothly most of the time, the CA system still can't
> avoid the fact that humans have a minimum response time of nearly 1
> second, and that's only when they're very alert. However, if we could
> wirelessly and securely transmi
Jason Hall wrote:
> And in most of Brasil, and the Philippines, they just don't use the lights
> at night the majority of the time. They think it wears the batteries. I
> thought my missionary hitchhiking stories were scary, then I went on a long
> trip with my native president. 75mph on a narro
Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> In California, at rush hour, it seems that everyone has gotten the idea that
> there just is no space, so deal with it. I've been on 4-lane highways where
> all four lanes were literally half car lengths apart, all doing 75. Just
> squeeze the packets in tighter and se
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 11:11 -0600, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> On Thursday 23 August 2007, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> > in Japan, (Hong Kong),
>
> Should've read Japan, (or Hong Kong?),
Japan has such narrow and windy roads that without a lot of give and
take, nobody would get anywhere. You frequently
On Thursday 23 August 2007, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> in Japan, (Hong Kong),
Should've read Japan, (or Hong Kong?),
I can't remember which.
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On Thursday 23 August 2007, Corey Edwards wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote:
> > I've driven in several other states (I drove to New Hampshire 5 years
> > ago and then back to Utah 4 years ago). The easiest drivers to get
> > along with, by far, were California drivers.
Corey Edwards wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote:
>> I've driven in several other states (I drove to New Hampshire 5 years
>> ago and then back to Utah 4 years ago). The easiest drivers to get
>> along with, by far, were California drivers. The absolute worst,
>> edging o
Joseph Hall wrote:
> On 8/23/07, Jonathan Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> FWIW, none of the people from the East coast with whom I have
>> discussed driving and traffic thought Utah was worse than their home
>> state.
>
> I'm in Boston right now, actually. I've only been here a few days, but
>
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote:
> I've driven in several other states (I drove to New Hampshire 5 years
> ago and then back to Utah 4 years ago). The easiest drivers to get
> along with, by far, were California drivers. The absolute worst,
> edging out even Utah, were Idaho dr
I'm probably firmly establishing my guilt here as a hated utah driver.
At the same time, I really don't understand, it's not the aggresive
drivers I find so baneful of Utah, it's the drivers that get in your
way, don't signal, take that right turn really slow right from the
middle of the lane, take
* Shane Hathaway [Thu, 23 Aug 2007 at 10:26 -0600]
> That sounds excellent, except for the sentence "I am an extremely
> aggressive driver". ;-) OTOH, you didn't say what an aggressive driver
> does. If you mean tailgating NASCAR-style, that's obviously stupid and
> dangerous yet all too common.
Von Fugal wrote:
> This is soo true. I also love playing that game, except it's not really
> a game, it's called driving. IOW engaging your mind in the task of not
> just steering your vehicle, but also making decisions on how to steer it
> based on conditions around you, and those conditions inclu
On 8/23/07, Jonathan Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FWIW, none of the people from the East coast with whom I have
> discussed driving and traffic thought Utah was worse than their home
> state.
I'm in Boston right now, actually. I've only been here a few days, but
I'm amazed every day at how m
>
> In my view, the problem isn't usually incompetence, it's just a mismatch
> of driving styles.
Yes, that's exactly the point I was trying to make. What is often labeled
incompetence is most often just the mismatch of styles that you mention.
I noticed this especially in DC, since DC has the c
"Andrew Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> The only time I drove across several states I noticed this too.
> Everywhere else it felt like we were all driving together, then when
> we hit the Utah border it was every man for himself. It was like
> crossing that border had a direct effect on
On 8/23/07, Matthew Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, August 22, 2007 10:52 am, Jeremy Hansen wrote:
> > ### THIS IS A RANT. COMMENCE TO IGNORE. ###
> >
> > I have driven in many different parts of the country, as doubtless many of
> > you have and, in my experience, there is no shortag
On 8/23/07, Matthew Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, I don't have much personal experience in that area, but my father, who
> was a
> professional truck driver for many years, said that Utah is /the/ worst place
> to drive
> in the country. He drove the entire lower 48, coast to coast fo
On Wed, August 22, 2007 10:52 am, Jeremy Hansen wrote:
> ### THIS IS A RANT. COMMENCE TO IGNORE. ###
>
> I have driven in many different parts of the country, as doubtless many of
> you have and, in my experience, there is no shortage of seemingly
> incompetent drivers anywhere.
Well, I don't hav
* Kenneth Burgener [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 at 09:46 -0600]
> Joseph Hall wrote:
> > On 8/22/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I know when I am talking on a cell phone I am more distracted then if I
> >> were not. I think it would be very hard to dispute that.
> >
> > See, that's what
* Shane Hathaway [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 at 16:21 -0600]
> In my view, the problem isn't usually incompetence, it's just a mismatch
> of driving styles. Different regions of the US seem to have different
> styles. If you know your region well enough, you can tell what other
> drivers are going to do by
Jeremy Hansen wrote:
> On another note, I have a bit of an axe to grind with the "Utah drivers"
> stigma that has already been mentioned. To be blunt, I think it's total
> bull.
>
> ### THIS IS A RANT. COMMENCE TO IGNORE. ###
>
> I have driven in many different parts of the country, as doubtless
Jonathan Ellis wrote:
> On 8/21/07, Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ps - recent studies show that cell phone users, while driving, have the
>> same reaction time as do legally intoxicated drivers, so this is no lite
>> thing for me personally... and I would have probably done differently
>>
On 8/22/07, Joseph Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "This year, nine states have considered legislation specifically
> banning driving while texting. Washington is the first state to pass a
> law, making DWT, a crime with a $100 fine."
Legislators are such idiots. Specific laws are extremely ine
http://www.keloland.com/News/NewsDetail6373.cfm?Id=0,59673
"This year, nine states have considered legislation specifically
banning driving while texting. Washington is the first state to pass a
law, making DWT, a crime with a $100 fine."
On 8/22/07, Jeremy Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> Of course,
> driving and texting (DWT) at the same time, that would be dangerous
I don't know if you were joking about this or not, but I have witnessed this
exact transgression 3 times in the last 2 months. The first time I saw it I
couldn't believe it was actually happening. The worst case w
On 22 Aug 2007, at 09:40, Kenneth Burgener wrote:
The reporting officer called me back this morning and we chatted about
my concerns. He was very pleasant and understanding.
The officer said that the "hit and run" is reported in the Police's
internal database, but does not show up on the "DI
Joseph Hall wrote:
> On 8/22/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I know when I am talking on a cell phone I am more distracted then if I
>> were not. I think it would be very hard to dispute that.
>
> See, that's what I'm getting at. I could be wrong, but I like to think
> that my
Kenneth Burgener wrote:
> Well the weekend finally ended and I went down to the police station to
> pick up the report. The report basically said vehicle 1 hit vehicle 2
> from behind. There was no mention of a hit and run (I believe a $300
> ticket), no mention of her using prescription drugs, a
On Tuesday 21 August 2007, Mister E wrote:
> I think this comes down to evidence and building the case and they
> didn't feel like they had a lot to go off of, since they arrived at the
> scene after you had followed the vehicle and had come to a complete
> stop. At that point it becomes a he said
On 8/22/07, Joseph Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> See, that's what I'm getting at. I could be wrong, but I like to think
> that my driving is the same whether I'm talking to the person in the
> seat next to me or if I'm talking on a hands-free set (I refuse to
> talk on the drive and talk on the
On 8/22/07, Joseph Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (I refuse to
> talk on the drive and talk on the phone without the hands-free set).
Please excuse Joseph's bad wording. He was typing this while driving
to work. :-D
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On 8/22/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know when I am talking on a cell phone I am more distracted then if I
> were not. I think it would be very hard to dispute that.
See, that's what I'm getting at. I could be wrong, but I like to think
that my driving is the same whether I
On 8/22/07, Joseph Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't get it. Why should talking on a cell phone be any different
> from holding a drink in one hand and talking to somebody in the
> passenger seat while driving? People do that all the time, and I have
> yet to hear somebody complain about it
Joseph Hall wrote:
> I don't get it. Why should talking on a cell phone be any different
> from holding a drink in one hand and talking to somebody in the
> passenger seat while driving? People do that all the time, and I have
> yet to hear somebody complain about it. Or if you're using a
> hands-f
I don't get it. Why should talking on a cell phone be any different
from holding a drink in one hand and talking to somebody in the
passenger seat while driving? People do that all the time, and I have
yet to hear somebody complain about it. Or if you're using a
hands-free set, how should that be a
> FWIW, a different study looking at real-world statistical data just
> found no correlation between cell phone use and accidents:
> http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2007/08/13_cellphone.shtml
I love it when studies cancel themselves out.
Kenneth, I am sorry to hear about your incident
Mister E wrote:
> So take what legal remedies you can (sue for damages or get repairs paid
> fer, etc). Talk to the local media and see if it appeals to them to
> help your situation. Then be thankful you walked away, and with a cool
> story to tell yer grandkids later.
>
> Mister Ed
Great poi
Not long ago, Steve proclaimed...
> The cell phone thing reminds me of that old classic bumper sticker...
> "I wonder if you'ld drive any better if I took that cell phone and
> jammed it up your arse"
That's not bad. I've seen this one and it made me laugh so hard I nearly
ran off the road: "Are y
Jonathan Ellis wrote:
On 8/21/07, Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ps - recent studies show that cell phone users, while driving, have the
same reaction time as do legally intoxicated drivers, so this is no lite
thing for me personally... and I would have probably done differently
above had i
The cell phone thing reminds me of that old classic bumper sticker...
"I wonder if you'ld drive any better if I took that cell phone and
jammed it up your arse"
On 8/21/07, Jonathan Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 8/21/07, Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ps - recent studies show that
On 8/21/07, Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ps - recent studies show that cell phone users, while driving, have the
> same reaction time as do legally intoxicated drivers, so this is no lite
> thing for me personally... and I would have probably done differently
> above had it happened recent
Jacob Albretsen wrote:
On Tuesday 21 August 2007, Scott Barlow wrote:
On 8/21/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Are there any lawyers or police officers that can explain to me what I
am missing?
Suggestions? Comments?
Kenneth,
I happen to have a neighbor that would probably be
On Tuesday 21 August 2007, Scott Barlow wrote:
> On 8/21/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Are there any lawyers or police officers that can explain to me what I
> > am missing?
> >
> > Suggestions? Comments?
>
> Kenneth,
>
> I happen to have a neighbor that would probably be int
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 17:36 -0600, Mister E wrote:
> ps - recent studies show that cell phone users, while driving, have the
> same reaction time as do legally intoxicated drivers, so this is no lite
> thing for me personally
A study at the University of Utah, no less. It showed the people who
w
Alex Esplin wrote:
On 8/21/07, Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The rest is fairly true. Citations are a revenue generator. Has been
that way for the last couple of decades I've had dealings in this area.
Originally meant to be a deterrent, citations are now viable income
streams for most
On 8/21/07, Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The rest is fairly true. Citations are a revenue generator. Has been
> that way for the last couple of decades I've had dealings in this area.
>Originally meant to be a deterrent, citations are now viable income
> streams for most cities and tow
Kenneth Burgener wrote:
Steve wrote:
Feel lucky that you yourself were not cited, to be perfectly frank.
Yes you were on the phone with dispatch, but on the whole never try to
stop a hit and run driver. Thats breaking a lot of laws. I know I
very nearly evaded a citation myself last summer when
--- Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Welcome to Utah, this is pretty standard fare especially for
> Utah county.
It's not just Utah. A few years ago I was rear-ended on the
freeway by a drunk driver north of Denver. Both vehicles were
totalled.
His insurance paid off the loan on my truck, and
> I could have been cited for following the driver who hit me? That
would
> seem as ridiculous as suing McDonalds for burning yourself with hot
> coffee, or suing a hope owner because you fell through their skylight
> when trying to rob them! I know the rules... the victim is guilty
> because he/
Kenneth Burgener wrote:
> I could have been cited for following the driver who hit me? That would
> seem as ridiculous as suing McDonalds for burning yourself with hot
> coffee, or suing a hope owner because you fell through their skylight
> when trying to rob them! I know the rules... the victim
Steve wrote:
> Feel lucky that you yourself were not cited, to be perfectly frank.
> Yes you were on the phone with dispatch, but on the whole never try to
> stop a hit and run driver. Thats breaking a lot of laws. I know I
> very nearly evaded a citation myself last summer when a guy in a SUV
> h
Just another thought, but the car dealer would likely be liable as well.
On 8/21/07, Wade Preston Shearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As sad as this sounds.. She was probably smoking hot. That is why
> > she got off free.
>
> Yeah… how long did you say the officers were in her house?
>
>
>
As sad as this sounds.. She was probably smoking hot. That is why
she got off free.
Yeah… how long did you say the officers were in her house?
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Welcome to Utah, this is pretty standard fare especially for Utah county.
It has to do with the fact that a substantial amount of revenue is
generated from the issuance and enforcement of relatively low level
citations against those for whom enforcement will be easy, i.e. Middle
Income, stable folk
On 8/21/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was thinking, if the roles were reversed, I am fairly certain that I
> would have spend the night in jail, and probably would have accrued all
> 3 citations. How on Earth did she get off Scott free?
As sad as this sounds.. She was pr
On 8/21/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Are there any lawyers or police officers that can explain to me what I
> am missing?
>
> Suggestions? Comments?
>
>
Kenneth,
I happen to have a neighbor that would probably be interested in hearing
your story:
http://provoinjurylaw.co
Andrew Jorgensen wrote:
> On 8/21/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The weird part is that because they couldn't find the guy who
> did it anymore it became a hit and run which to our delight did not
> require us to pay the deductible. Your insurance may vary, of course.
We aren'
On 8/21/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> Suggestions? Comments?
Wild. I'm sorry you went through that. My comment is that we had
someone smash our car in a parking lot. The guy who did it gave us a
phone number and said that the car he was driving was borrowed. We
gav
This is very much off topic, other than it happened in the Orem area,
and I just wanted to vent and hopefully get suggestions from my fellow
geeks.
Last Friday at around 7pm I was driving home north on 1200 West in
Orem. I stopped at the 800 North stop light with one car in front of
me. A silver
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