Re: Re: Go to the Source [OT]

2006-09-03 Thread Jesse Stay
I know this topic is getting old, so I'll keep it short. Re: "chiropractors don't just do backs" (yes, that was me that said it), the chiropractor that treated me had license after license to treat me for what she was treating me for. Her licenses were not just back-related. Chiropractors have

Re: Go to the Source

2006-09-03 Thread Daniel C.
Hans - take a look at my earlier message, taken verbatim from chirobase.org, in which the author explains the things that chiropractic care is known to be good for. (chirobase.org, by the way, is run jointly by an MD and a DC, Doctor of Chiropractic. So if you want to talk about going to the sou

Re: Go to the Source

2006-09-02 Thread shadoi
Stuart Jansen wrote: You forgot there's an explicit exception to Godwin's law: it has no effect if deliberately invoked. Fascist. Ssshh!! Don't make my go all greyskull on you. -Blake /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don'

Re: Go to the Source

2006-09-02 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 19:06 -0700, shadoi wrote: > That's incorrect. From wikipedia: "...is the phenomenon that a > patient's symptoms can be alleviated by an otherwise ineffective > treatment, since the individual expects or believes that it will work." Wikipedia is great resource when you're

Re: Go to the Source

2006-09-02 Thread shadoi
Michael Torrie wrote: On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 13:47 -0600, Steve wrote: Why does everyone knock the placebo effect, and assume traditional medicine is SO much better? Just to be clear, the placebo effect is, according to my understanding, only seen if a person has had the medicine before and fel

Re: Go to the Source

2006-09-02 Thread Michael Torrie
On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 13:47 -0600, Steve wrote: > Why does everyone knock the placebo effect, and assume traditional > medicine is SO much better? Just to be clear, the placebo effect is, according to my understanding, only seen if a person has had the medicine before and felt the effect of the me

Re: Go to the Source

2006-09-02 Thread Steve
Why does everyone knock the placebo effect, and assume traditional medicine is SO much better? I mean seriously has anyone bothered to read the medical literature on some of these expensive medications that get approved? For an example, I have acid reflux really badly and the first thing the docto

Re: Go to the Source

2006-09-02 Thread Charles M. Wood
If you find that you have a chronic health condition, you may find that things that work great for one person does't work at all for the next, leaving them to deal with all kinds of funky side effects. In any case, if you try something and it works for you why not stick with it and tell your frien

Re: Go to the Source

2006-09-01 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2006 September 01 Friday 11:18:30 AM -0600, Shane Hathaway wrote: > be considered a tactile form of psychiatry. Chiropractors clearly make > people feel better, regardless of whether the main effect is mental or > physical, so you can't argue that they provide no valuable service. Not so.

Re: Go to the Source

2006-09-01 Thread Shane Hathaway
Bradley Dorner wrote: Placebo, If the Md's with their science come back to me and ask how this happened. You weren't suppose to get better. Then I say hurray! If this happened once then I say possibly. If it happened twice then I say interesting. If this has been happening for 30 years, which in

Re: Go to the Source

2006-09-01 Thread Bradley Dorner
Finally words from me on this on this interesting but off topic thread. Placebo, If the Md's with their science come back to me and ask how this happened. You weren't suppose to get better. Then I say hurray! If this happened once then I say possibly. If it happened twice then I say interesting. I

Re: Re: Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread Jesse Stay
Heh - yeah. All I know is that several Doctors told me I'd have it for life and gave me medicin to deal with it, while a chiropractor (yes, a chiropractor - they don't all just do backs) had faith that I could be healed and actually worked to help me be cured of my Acid Reflux. Be it the placebo

Re: Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread Hans Fugal
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 at 16:35 -0600, Daniel C. wrote: > On 8/31/06, Dr. Scott S. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Chiropractic is a threat to the AMA and medical establishment, because it's > >something beyond their control and thus ability to profit from it. > > Number Two on the Signs of Bogus

Re: Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread Daniel C.
Thought I'd throw this in to balance the discussion. Quoted from a featured article on chirobase, which you can find here: http://chirobase.org/07Strategy/goodchiro.html "Spinal manipulation can relieve some types of back and neck pain and other conditions related to tightness and loss of mobil

Re: Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread Corey Edwards
On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 16:44 -0600, James Lance wrote: > Wow... who peed in your cheerios? Ah, man! I thought that was just orange juice. Now I'm gonna be sick... Corey signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubs

Re: Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread James Lance
On Thursday 31 August 2006 4:35 pm, Daniel C. wrote: > On 8/31/06, Dr. Scott S. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chiropractic is a threat to the AMA and medical establishment, because > > it's something beyond their control and thus ability to profit from it. > > Number Two on the Signs of Bogu

Re: Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread Daniel C.
On 8/31/06, Dr. Scott S. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chiropractic is a threat to the AMA and medical establishment, because it's something beyond their control and thus ability to profit from it. Number Two on the Signs of Bogus Science list: "The discoverer says that a powerful establishm

Re: Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread Daniel C.
Bradley, Yes, the sites are biased. However, I think it's pretty clear that any information you'll get from a chiropractor will also be biased. It is the job of the thinking individual to listen to both sides of the story, gather any evidence relating to the topic at hand, and make their judgeme

Re: Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread Daniel C.
stian about Mormonism. Why go wandering off to get information from a soured old unlicensed supposed MD who instead of trying to do good in the world seeks to rake the muck and look for the worst in those he does not understand? Go to the source. Isn't that what Linux is all about? Scott /* PL

Re: Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread Dr. Scott S. Jones
+++ Bradley Dorner [31/08/06 10:04 -0700]: > I agree, Go to the Source. I looked at both sites that > you referenced in the email. You haven't found the > source yet. Biased is the first word that cames to ANY doctor. > > BTW, Chiroprators were invited to join the AMA a &g

Re: Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread Bradley Dorner
I agree, Go to the Source. I looked at both sites that you referenced in the email. You haven't found the source yet. Biased is the first word that cames to mind. Dangerous, to some extent, is another. Dangerous in that bad information is as dangerous as no information. Having received acupu

Go to the Source

2006-08-31 Thread scott
the worst in those he does not understand? Go to the source. Isn't that what Linux is all about? Scott signature.asc Description: Digital signature /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */