>
> I hear the ACLU runs a flavor of linux on their servers...
>
> -Chad
Holy Cow! You were right! Since Dec of 2005:
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.aclu.org
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On Feb 8, 2008 4:36 PM, Trevor Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Josh Hansen wrote:
> > Nobody agrees with the ACLU or any other organization on everything, all
> > the time. I agree with them often, but certainly not always. But to
> > say it
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Josh Hansen wrote:
> Nobody agrees with the ACLU or any other organization on everything, all
> the time. I agree with them often, but certainly not always. But to
> say it's a communist organization or that only socialists should support
> them or t
Jonathan Ellis wrote:
>
> This used to be true. I can remember the ACLU supporting the right of
> people to protest outside abortion clinics, for instance.
>
> But in the last decade or so they seem to have become a lot more
> partisan. I can't think of any non-liberal or politically correct
>
On 2/8/08, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The ACLU will fight any fight that is against civil rights. They are blind
> when it comes to other issues.
This used to be true. I can remember the ACLU supporting the right of
people to protest outside abortion clinics, for instance.
But
> He
> would make a terrible legislator because it's hard to tell which of the
> two viewpoints he actually has.
>
> Shane
>
I thought that was the only way to get elected to public office. Oh wait,
no no contradiction at all. Never mind.
Barry
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Kyle Waters wrote:
> RMS is a socialist. Does that mean I have to stop using gcc and
> associated libraries?
I like it when RMS encourages people to use their liberty by sharing (an
application of capitalism). I hate it when he seems to advocate
removing people's liberty by forcing them to shar
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 13:02 -0700, Kyle Waters wrote:
> RMS is a socialist. Does that mean I have to stop using gcc and
> associated libraries?
Yes.
--
"English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark
allies, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose
gra
RMS is a socialist. Does that mean I have to stop using gcc and
associated libraries?
Kyle
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Jason Hall wrote:
On Feb 8, 2008 11:16 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So in the begining that was their agenda. I point you to there current
page:
http://aclu.org/about/index.html
"The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and
guarantees:
- Your First
On Feb 8, 2008 11:16 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So in the begining that was their agenda. I point you to there current
> page:
> http://aclu.org/about/index.html
>
> "The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and
> guarantees:
>
> - Your First Amendme
On Feb 8, 2008 10:43 AM, Jason Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2008 9:58 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 2008 9:38 AM, Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The ACLU will fight any fight that is against civil rights. They are
> > blind
> > when it come
On Feb 8, 2008 9:58 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2008 9:38 AM, Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The ACLU will fight any fight that is against civil rights. They are
> blind
> when it comes to other issues. Yes this means they have supporters who
> are
> communi
On Feb 8, 2008 9:38 AM, Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Justin Findlay wrote:
> > On AD 2008 February 07 Thursday 09:22:23 PM -0700, Trevor Sharpe wrote:
> >> I would imagine that Thad Van Ry is correct. I have been in contact
> with
> >> my Representative Tim Cosgrove, and have received si
Justin Findlay wrote:
On AD 2008 February 07 Thursday 09:22:23 PM -0700, Trevor Sharpe wrote:
I would imagine that Thad Van Ry is correct. I have been in contact with
my Representative Tim Cosgrove, and have received similar comments that
this bill might very well pass. I suspect that it might
On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 22:24 -0700, Justin Findlay wrote:
> Assuming this nonsense gets made into law wouldn't it be possible for
> the ACLU or somebody else to get it nullified by the supreme court of
> Utah?
Possible? Most certainly. Expensive? Even more certain.
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On AD 2008 February 07 Thursday 09:22:23 PM -0700, Trevor Sharpe wrote:
> I would imagine that Thad Van Ry is correct. I have been in contact with
> my Representative Tim Cosgrove, and have received similar comments that
> this bill might very well pass. I suspect that it might resurface in
> some
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Thad Van Ry wrote:
> Why do people seem so reluctant to read the bill? It can be found here:
> http://tinyurl.com/2mbwjl
> The bill states the ways that age can be verified, currently it states
> only viewing government issued ID or asking for credit c
See, we could be providing our youth an education while they bypass
the age test.
On Feb 7, 2008 3:03 PM, Jake Pollmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Leisure Suit Larry quiz is how I learned who Spiro Agnew was. I
> wasn't old enough to understand all of the nuances of the game, but I
> (like
On Feb 7, 2008 2:49 PM, Kyle Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris Carey wrote:
> > Back maybe 20 years ago the first "Leisure Suit Larry" game from
> > Sierra came out. In order to play the game, it would ask questions
> >
> I was about twelve at the time and it sometimes took me a couple of
Chris Carey wrote:
Back maybe 20 years ago the first "Leisure Suit Larry" game from
Sierra came out. In order to play the game, it would ask questions
that only adults should know the answers to. I recall questions about
politics, history, etc. Once you got two to three of them correct, the
game
Back maybe 20 years ago the first "Leisure Suit Larry" game from
Sierra came out. In order to play the game, it would ask questions
that only adults should know the answers to. I recall questions about
politics, history, etc. Once you got two to three of them correct, the
game would start. It coul
Nathan Blackham wrote:
So If I put up a page that they have to agree to that says, If you are a
minor you can use it. And they have to click ok, does that count as
restricting access?
I think so. To be completely safe, just copyright the text of the
agreement page and say that the text may n
On 07 Feb 2008, at 10:04, Thad Van Ry wrote:
The bill says:
(4) "Restrict access" means to use a reasonable method for
ascertaining the age of a
person using wireless Internet access or preventing the display of
material harmful to minors
over the wireless local area network, including:
(a) vis
On Feb 7, 2008 9:53 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow, after reading it, I see that it is a horribly written bill. The
> definition of restricting access still makes my question valid though. The
> bill says you either have to ascertain the age or restrict access (Sec.
> 13.46.
On Feb 7, 2008 9:35 AM, Thad Van Ry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2008 9:27 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So If I put up a page that they have to agree to that says, If you are a
> > minor you can use it. And they have to click ok, does that count as
> > restricting
On Feb 7, 2008 9:27 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So If I put up a page that they have to agree to that says, If you are a
> minor you can use it. And they have to click ok, does that count as
> restricting access?
Why do people seem so reluctant to read the bill? It can be fou
On Feb 6, 2008 6:52 PM, Corey Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 14:40 -0700, Andrew Jorgensen wrote:
> > This bill does no such thing. Go read the text. I'm not in favor of
> > the bill but you should all know that it applies only to access points
> > operated by busines
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 14:40 -0700, Andrew Jorgensen wrote:
> This bill does no such thing. Go read the text. I'm not in favor of
> the bill but you should all know that it applies only to access points
> operated by businesses
The bill states
A person may not provide wireless Internet
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Andrew Jorgensen wrote:
>
> I've been curious to listen to the meeting in question to see how much
> people have misunderstood this bill. It's hard to fight something you
> don't understand. I was very sad to hear Pete Ashdown misrepresent it
> on t
On Feb 6, 2008 3:07 PM, Chris Carey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another interesting thing in the ars technica article is that it says
> that it is no longer is limited to business.
>
> "If you live in Orem and your next-door neighbor's kid uses your open
> WAP to look at pictures of naked women, y
On Feb 6, 2008 2:50 PM, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Didn't you read the Ars Technica page? Rep. Daw said he intends to pull
> the age requirement and replace it with filtering. Thus filtering is
> now the core issue.
The Ars article is based on an SLTrib article, both of which gi
Another interesting thing in the ars technica article is that it says
that it is no longer is limited to business.
"If you live in Orem and your next-door neighbor's kid uses your open
WAP to look at pictures of naked women, you could find yourself on the
hook for a $1,000 fine. Yarro thinks that'
Andrew Jorgensen wrote:
> On Feb 6, 2008 2:18 PM, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I just had a thought... if a bill like this says filtering is required,
>> how accurate must the filter be? Let's say I set up a web proxy that
>> blocks URLs based on some hand crafted regular expressio
On Feb 6, 2008 2:18 PM, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just had a thought... if a bill like this says filtering is required,
> how accurate must the filter be? Let's say I set up a web proxy that
> blocks URLs based on some hand crafted regular expressions. The
> accuracy might be
Chris Carey wrote:
> Digg frontpaged a story on this Bill today
I just had a thought... if a bill like this says filtering is required,
how accurate must the filter be? Let's say I set up a web proxy that
blocks URLs based on some hand crafted regular expressions. The
accuracy might be low, yet
Digg frontpaged a story on this Bill today
http://digg.com/tech_news/So_you_have_a_Wifi_Hotspot_Utah_wants_you_to_Verify_Userage
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080205-former-sco-chair-behind-utah-wifi-age-verification-proposal.html
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> Any updates for those of us who didn't attend?
>
> -Chad
Chad,
We at the UTOSF attempted to record it and stream it. Unfortunately,
our timing was poor and we were ill prepared to accomplish a really
good recording. Much effort was put into this, but we needed a better
technological solutin t
On Jan 31, 2008 9:56 AM, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I know quite a several of us were wanting to go to Capitol Hill today
> to voice opposition (or support hey it is a free country after all),
> for HB 139.
> If anyone wants or needs a lift to Capitol Hill, I have a few ext
On Jan 31, 2008 2:14 PM, Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not sure what the issue is, but its not down. I was just there at
>
> http://stream.utos.org:8080/
> or
> http://stream.utosf.org:8080/
>
> And they were both working fine. Also, I just tested the stream, sounds
> great.
Ah, I b
> "Streaming Meetings Server" link is broken. It points to
> http://stream.utos.org:8080/. Should that be
> http://stream.utosf.org:8080/? Either way (as is, or corrected to
> utosf), I get a page timeout...
>
> Jacob Fugal
Jacob,
Not sure what the issue is, but its not down. I was just there a
On Jan 31, 2008 1:38 PM, Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, so if you go to http://stream.utosf.org there are two options,
> the one you want is the streaming server. However, there won't be a
> link there until about 3pm. It should say HB 139 on it somewhere so
> watch for that. Al
On Jan 31, 2008 1:25 PM, Chris Carey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2008 11:03 AM, Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We at UTOSF hopefully be streaming/podcasting this event today up at
> > the capital. Assuming it is being streamed, feel free to join the
> > broadcast at http:/
On Jan 31, 2008 11:03 AM, Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We at UTOSF hopefully be streaming/podcasting this event today up at
> the capital. Assuming it is being streamed, feel free to join the
> broadcast at http://stream.utosf.org
Went to the website but I'm confused about where to c
Clint Savage wrote:
We at UTOSF hopefully be streaming/podcasting this event today up at
the capital. Assuming it is being streamed, feel free to join the
broadcast at http://stream.utosf.org
Using free wireless internet access I presume? :)
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On Jan 31, 2008 11:03 AM, Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We at UTOSF hopefully be streaming/podcasting this event today up at
> the capital. Assuming it is being streamed, feel free to join the
> broadcast at http://stream.utosf.org
Thanks, Clint (and UTOSF), that's great. I look forwa
On Jan 31, 2008 10:03 AM, Jonathan Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Go team! I wish I could come along. I look forward to hearing how it
> goes.
We at UTOSF hopefully be streaming/podcasting this event today up at
the capital. Assuming it is being streamed, feel free to join the
broadcast a
On 31 Jan 2008, at 09:56, Steve wrote:
Hi everyone,
I know quite a several of us were wanting to go to Capitol Hill today
to voice opposition (or support hey it is a free country after all),
for HB 139.
If anyone wants or needs a lift to Capitol Hill, I have a few extra
seats and would gladly
Hi everyone,
I know quite a several of us were wanting to go to Capitol Hill today
to voice opposition (or support hey it is a free country after all),
for HB 139.
If anyone wants or needs a lift to Capitol Hill, I have a few extra
seats and would gladly swing by and pick you up, just let me know.
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