RE: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Bob Elzer
Do you suppose the Red Shiny Laptop gets stolen more often like the red shiny cars ? You might want to pick an ugly color, so no one will want to take it. Bright yellow, or maybe neon green. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.

Re: OK (was: Re: [...] free wiki [hosting] (was: Re: BlenderCAD: [...]))

2009-05-12 Thread Matthew A Coulliette
Mike,     I hope I did not offend you.  I am simply tired of seeing CAD projects started and then fizzing out before they have any real progress to show for themselves.  I am sure there are many people more qualified than myself to run this project, however, from my perspective they have had t

Re: Format

2009-05-12 Thread der.hans
Am 12. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Mike Schwartz so: On some lists, the TOPIC of "top posting" is a hot button topic -- at least for some readers / posters. (and never mind even mentioning trollers and flamers... yikes). It's a near-religious topic which seldom gets useful discussion. As far as whet

Re: Format

2009-05-12 Thread Mike Schwartz
On some lists, the TOPIC of "top posting" is a hot button topic -- at least for some readers / posters. (and never mind even mentioning trollers and flamers... yikes). As far as whether this is one of those lists, ask someone else. But I think the last time someone tried to get a "consensus" with

OK (was: Re: [...] free wiki [hosting] (was: Re: BlenderCAD: [...]))

2009-05-12 Thread Mike Schwartz
OK,it was not my intention to "insist" on a certain idea. Just to "offer" an idea. If you are willing and able, to do certain things, then -- great! ...and as far as, who "should" make the decisions... I might not know the answer to that one, but apparently (in this case at least), it is someone "

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread AZ Rune
System76.com This company has a line of notebooks & their new Netbook (got one myself) with good hardware and customer support check out youtube for a review of one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWBqgtJBOAA You really can't go wrong here and with the other programs people mentioned you should

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 20:01 -0700, Greg Furmanek wrote: > Hi Mark, > > As much as I would like to recommend a Linux system at this time the > best > hardware you can buy is a Mac. I know some say that the premium $ is > not > worth it but after using one for over 2 years I have nothing better to

HackFest Series: LivePerson IAD Tracking Cookies

2009-05-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
Problem: Reading email, browsing, and other regular use of a browser could possibly infect one with something as insidious as LivePerson cookies. For anyone who hasn't worked for a remote hoster, LivePerson cookies are installed either as a legitimate process, allowing remote desktop keylogging a

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Greg Furmanek
Hi Mark, As much as I would like to recommend a Linux system at this time the best hardware you can buy is a Mac. I know some say that the premium $ is not worth it but after using one for over 2 years I have nothing better to recommend. BTW, the price is way worth it and it's based on a soli

OT posts (again)

2009-05-12 Thread Matthew A Coulliette
Hi, I also wanted to thank the people who notice when a thread has made the transition from something On-Topic to an Off-Topic thread. A lot of times the thread starts out on topic and gradually becomes an OT conversation. Although, there are times when I enjoy these OT threads and conversations

Format

2009-05-12 Thread Matthew A Coulliette
Hi, I just wanted to thank everyone who adds their comments at the top of the reply instead of at the bottom. It saves time and scrolling down the page of every reply is only good for being annoying. MatthewMPP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-

Re: idea -- site offers free wiki [hosting] (was: Re: BlenderCAD: day and time)

2009-05-12 Thread Matthew A Coulliette
Hi,     I appreciate the brainstorming, and at one point I considered something along these lines.  However, having an electrical background, computer science comes naturally to me.  I built a raid 5 data server, a raid 1 web server, a router, and 4 workstations.  With the web server running r

Re: BlenderCAD: day and time

2009-05-12 Thread Matthew A Coulliette
Thanks very much. It is good to be appreciated. - MatthewMPP Mike Schwartz wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Matthew A Coulliette wrote: Hi all,    This thread is for anyone interested in participating in the BlenderCAD workshop.  Please post a reply with

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
Thank-you everyone for your input. It has proven to be very helpful in narrowing the choices, and provided some good input to discuss with my daughter. This is what we have decided.FWIW: 1. Dual boot Windows and Linux. She only uses iTunes once a week at most, and then to buy a song or two for

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
You, Henry Ford, and I all agree that black is the best color. You are in good company. :-) Mark On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bishmer Sekaran wrote: > > > 4. Lisa picked up on a good point - my daughter is deathly afraid I > > will get her a "black box" computer for college. I mean a real bl

Re: Terminal services to linux clients.

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
Here is the thrid part app i was remembering, seamless shell https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SeamlessVirtualization --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: htt

Re: Terminal services to linux clients.

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
It just calls ie but the tab and EULA state it is ie On 5/12/09, Bob Elzer wrote: > This isn't really helpful, but it just seems frightening to me that it > "Loads IE" into a firefox tab seamlessly, so the user doesn't know it. The > user who thought he was running a more secure web browser, is

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Bishmer Sekaran
> 4. Lisa picked up on a good point - my daughter is deathly afraid I > will get her a "black box" computer for college. I mean a real black > box - square corners, matte black. We don't agree on shoes, and we > don't agree on the need for a fashionable laptopso I have to > through in tha

RE: Terminal services to linux clients.

2009-05-12 Thread Bob Elzer
This isn't really helpful, but it just seems frightening to me that it "Loads IE" into a firefox tab seamlessly, so the user doesn't know it. The user who thought he was running a more secure web browser, is now running ht most insecure web browser without his knowledge. -Original Message--

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Jerry Davis
On Tue, 12 May 2009 10:03:47 -0700 Mark Phillips wrote: > 4. Lisa picked up on a good point - my daughter is deathly afraid I will get > her a "black box" computer for college. I mean a real black box - square > corners, matte black. We don't agree on shoes, and we don't agree on the > need for a

Re: Terminal services to linux clients.

2009-05-12 Thread James Mcphee
I'm guessing that 3rd party app tied to regular terminal services is Citrix. That does work perfectly fine under mac and linux, though you have to have their software. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Stephen wrote: > here is an interesting intellectual exercise. > > http://www.vanhorenbeeck.be

Terminal services to linux clients.

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
here is an interesting intellectual exercise. http://www.vanhorenbeeck.be/blog/?p=14 Basically is the Linux available RDP compatible with terminal services remote application or "remote APP" and maybe can I get it to work with Terminal services Web access So far FF cannot gain access to the web

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
I agree it is not the same as before, but the concept of journalism is not based on the media it is presented in be it TV internet, print or newsprint. the part that i find lacking is almost unilateral across these mediums. and i honestly prefer to save the trees and get mine online. but its stil

Re: idea -- site offers free wiki [hosting] (was: Re: BlenderCAD: day and time)

2009-05-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
Great idea Mike! The same thing is available with php/mysql and mail for about $20.00 upgrade on free stuff at 110mb.com - see examples wiki.obnosis.com nuke.obnosis.com moodle.obnosis.com I have a few otherswhat did I name them? On 5/12/09, Mike Schwartz wrote: > I also have an idea --

idea -- site offers free wiki [hosting] (was: Re: BlenderCAD: day and time)

2009-05-12 Thread Mike Schwartz
I also have an idea -- a suggestion to check out the free wiki [hosting] service available at http://www.wikispaces.com/site/pricing but since it is also outside the scope of the "day and time" thread, I decided to create this sub-thread or "branch". If the BlenderCAD initiative does need (w

Re: BlenderCAD: day and time

2009-05-12 Thread Mike Schwartz
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Matthew A Coulliette wrote: > Hi all, > >This thread is for anyone interested in participating in the > BlenderCAD workshop. Please post a reply with the day and time of your > preference, then we will take a vote in order to find the best time for > all of us

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 08:56 -0700, Stephen wrote: > "As for jounalism...she should re-evaluate because it is an industry in a > death spiral." > > This is true, but is it because of quality journalism or not... i gave > up paying attention because i kept getting bombarded with crap instead > of in

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 08:53 -0700, Joe wrote: > I couldn't agree less. Sure it'll be powerful enough for her, no doubt, > but she's going to be typing up documents for school, and the netbook > keyboards are much smaller than a real keyboard. She could get used to > it or even use an external keybo

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread nadimhoque
On my mac I use openoffice (soon switching to latex) and it is much better in some ways than office (there are things office can do (as far as I know) such as mail merge and excel uses multiple cores/threads). Doing physics reports were done so much faster using oo equation editor. So for basic

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 11:08 -0700, Donn wrote: > OpenOffice 3 works perfectly well with OS X without the need for X or > NeoOffice. agreed and I have too much history with the slow dog NeoOffice to ever actually install it again. OOo works on Intel based Macs - enough said. Craig -- Thi

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
I use OpenOffice on my Mac. You *could* buy Office if you want to... student edition is affordable Eric On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Donn wrote: > OpenOffice 3 works perfectly well with OS X without the need for X or > NeoOffice. > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Mark Phillips < >

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Donn
OpenOffice 3 works perfectly well with OS X without the need for X or NeoOffice. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: > Arghhh...now I know why I don't want to get a MAC...lol ;-) > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Chris Gehlker wrote: > >> >> On May 12, 2009, at 10:03 A

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
Arghhh...now I know why I don't want to get a MAC...lol ;-) On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Chris Gehlker wrote: > > On May 12, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: > > > Thanks for all the advice! My take away so far: > > 1. Buy a Mac - all problems solved > > Hardly. You just move on

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Gehlker
On May 12, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: > Thanks for all the advice! My take away so far: > 1. Buy a Mac - all problems solved Hardly. You just move on to the OpenOffice vs NeoOffice issue. ;-) -- Conscience is th

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
Macs are pretty... Macs are BSD, so you can support it too. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Joe wrote: > I run 32-bit XP in VirtualBox on my X360. It's a low-voltage, dual-core > 1.2GHz chip (SU9300) with 3GB of RAM running 64-bit Ubuntu (8.10 at the > moment). It runs pretty fast for me; that

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Joe
I run 32-bit XP in VirtualBox on my X360. It's a low-voltage, dual-core 1.2GHz chip (SU9300) with 3GB of RAM running 64-bit Ubuntu (8.10 at the moment). It runs pretty fast for me; that is, the fan doesn't seem to go crazy and there's no real noticeable lag in the host or the VM. To be fair though,

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Jason Holtzapple
--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Mark Phillips wrote: >  No one mentioned a VM solution - boot > Linux and run Windows with some form of vmware for ITunes. > Am I looking at yet more expense for high end hardware (lots > of RAM and dual core)? I have tried vmware on my P4 2 GHz > laptop and it works but a li

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
Thanks for all the advice! My take away so far: 1. Buy a Mac - all problems solved, but I have no idea how to use it or support it, and probably the most expensive choice. 2. Get a dual boot system - inconvenient, but I can support it for her long distance 3. Netbook vs laptop - I agree the porta

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
thats a good point. Let your kid buy themselves something so they value it enough not to close a lid on a pen. I bought my own IBM laptop and never closed the lid on a pen because I knew I counldn't afford to replace it! On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Charles Jones < charles.jo...@ciscolearning

RE: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Bob Elzer
I'm very happy with my two year old 17" HP Pavillion, it has a full size keyboard with full numpad. It came with Win XP, but I installed Ubuntu 8.04 with no problems. The newer versions of my system have more disk space, more memory, and more CPU. are even cost less. My was $850 at best buy. I've

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
I heard that happen once... followed by a oh F... i cringed... On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Charles Jones wrote: > AppleCare doesn't replace broken LCDs (know from experience). And this often > happens with students, usually from having a pen laying on the keyboard and > closing the lid*

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Charles Jones
AppleCare doesn't replace broken LCDs (know from experience). And this often happens with students, usually from having a pen laying on the keyboard and closing the lid*crunch* :-) -Charles Eric Cope wrote: Get her an Apple (with AppleCare if you want the 2 years of extended warranty).

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
Get her an Apple (with AppleCare if you want the 2 years of extended warranty). Great hardware. Its light, it works with iTunes, Office or OpenOffice. The best deal is refurbed from Apple's site. 13.3" Macbook white - $849. http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB402LL/A?mco=MjE0NDk5Mw Don't curse he

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Charles Jones
If you never want to have to worry about problems with it. Get a Dell and the "Complete Care" warranty. You can literally throw your laptop against a wall and they will fix it good as new. Things I have seen them fix, while having to support some employee laptops. * Replaced shattered LCD - mult

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
"As for jounalism...she should re-evaluate because it is an industry in a death spiral." This is true, but is it because of quality journalism or not... i gave up paying attention because i kept getting bombarded with crap instead of insightful information and the like... quality journalists can h

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Joe
I couldn't agree less. Sure it'll be powerful enough for her, no doubt, but she's going to be typing up documents for school, and the netbook keyboards are much smaller than a real keyboard. She could get used to it or even use an external keyboard when she's working, but why force her to go throug

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
I am really liking what i have heard both on list and online about system76.com 100% Linux compatible laptops and the pricing is incredible On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: > My oldest is heading off to college in the Fall, and she needs to take a > laptop with her. She has

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
The dual boot system described by Craig is absolutely the best solution https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgpod/+bug/199326>I can confirm this bug under intrepid using *Rhythmbox*, *GTKPod* and even Floola. My 5th gen 80gb black video *ipod* is pretty much inaccessible. * ...*

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Gehlker
On May 12, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > In a Word: Dell > Dell makes the best laptops available and support Linux. Dell used to make reliable computers. Hopefully they will again someday. Right now they don't. Presents reliability by brand

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
In a Word: Dell Dell makes the best laptops available and support Linux. You essentially have only one problem here: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/03/04/itunes-syncing-now-works-in-linux-with-wine/ Banshee http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7150747782.html On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:58 A

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 06:58 -0700, Mark Phillips wrote: > My oldest is heading off to college in the Fall, and she needs to take > a laptop with her. She has used Linux all her life, but only from > Gnome, so Windows, Mac, Linux are all "the same" to her. She is a > journalist, not a computer geek.

Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
My oldest is heading off to college in the Fall, and she needs to take a laptop with her. She has used Linux all her life, but only from Gnome, so Windows, Mac, Linux are all "the same" to her. She is a journalist, not a computer geek. Anyway, one significant requirement is for iTunes to work with