I'll be honest I have been reading this and going oh yha, that is a good
one but I have never heard of screen until now
http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/screen/
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Screen is the greatest tool EVER!!! A CLI window manager! I mean, DUDE!!!
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Bryan O'Neal
bon...@cornerstonehome.comwrote:
I'll be honest I have been reading this and going oh yha, that is a good
one but I have never heard of screen until now
This is interesting this came up just now: here at our motel, we've just
installed a WiMax system; unlike ClearWire, it looks like an old
Motorola Canopy system, with a rooftop antenna pointed downtown, but
performance wise it beats both in terms of latency and raw speed. Part
of the solution was
I didn't see the LOL. Sorry.
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote:
I was trying to be funny, hence the LOL
If it wasn't taken that way I apologize.
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Lisa, I am curious what you would recommend? I have tried a few and most
leave me flat and unimpressed.
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Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:11 PM
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On May 19, 2009, at 3:54 AM, mike havens wrote:
I want to find out all that I can about a certain Domain Name
Server. Unfortunately, I do not have linux on my computer so I will
have to ask someone to do this for me. The DNS is 4.2.2.2 or 4.2.2.1
Ping has started ...
PING 4.2.2.2
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:54 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I want to find out all that I can about a certain Domain Name Server.
Unfortunately, I do not have linux on my computer so I will have to ask
someone to do this for me. The DNS is 4.2.2.2 or 4.2.2.1
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Same
Even though I am not knowledgeable in the language, I think the best
first language for business is Java. It is also good for a first
leaning experience for other reasons but it is popular in the business
application world.
For web applications, in the cloud, Ruby seems to be a more and more
Learn to use a Unix system at the command-line along with a text editor and
start writing BASH program. The command-line provides exposure to the Unix
philosophy, files/directories, options/arguments, variables (environment),
I/O, meta-characters and documentation (via manpages). First programs
On Mon, 18 May 2009 23:07:41 -0700
James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote:
Screen is the greatest tool EVER!!! A CLI window manager! I mean, DUDE!!!
I work from home 3 days a week. Most of the time, in the morning and in the mid
afternoon, i have re-connect my vpn 10 - 15 times in as many
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Dennis Kibbe denn...@li3-188.members.linode.com wrote:
A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to
take a summer course in programming. His goal is to become a
business applications programmer.
He asked me what language
At the risk of starting a flame war I would say the best is C#. If you look
at both Tech Republic and CIO Magazine both have had articles in the last
four or five months that listed .Net in the top ten skill sets for the
current economy. Also as our office has been in the shutdown mode since
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:44 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com
kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
Hello collective intelligence:
This is the simple plan:
To make a professional looking WEB site with minimum effort and maximum
flexibility.
It is broken down as:
A (sort of) knowledgeable person
Plone/Zope. You can configure almost everything with its built in web
interface, or add more customization using Python.
Mark
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:44 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com
kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
Hello collective intelligence:
This is the simple plan:
To make a
On May 19, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Dennis Kibbe wrote:
I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about
this.
A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take a
summer course in programming. His goal is to become a business
applications programmer.
He
Nice output, Chris. Care to share what created it?
Chris Gehlker wrote:
On May 19, 2009, at 3:54 AM, mike havens wrote:
I want to find out all that I can about a certain Domain Name
Server. Unfortunately, I do not have linux on my computer so I will
have to ask someone to do this for
On May 19, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
Nice output, Chris. Care to share what created it?
You got me. It was Network Utility from OS X.
Chris Gehlker wrote:
On May 19, 2009, at 3:54 AM, mike havens wrote:
I want to find out all that I can about a certain Domain Name
Server.
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.comwrote:
On posting
1) Top posting means I don't have to scroll through a ton of crap to read
the new message. However if I desire I can easily see the context by
scrolling down. If I read this in digest mode where I only
I really like ruby as well but my experience has been if he's planning
on pursuing some type of CS degree he'll definitely need to know java
and C++ for 90% of the programming related classes, so that might be a
better place to start.
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 08:21 -0700, Chris Gehlker wrote:
On
I would recommend learning C first. Learn some simple procedural programming
then move to C++. I think this approach will make it easier to learn other
languages.
I would stay away from Java for the first language. Too much to learn and one
can get lost in Java.
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Dennis Kibbe
denn...@li3-188.members.linode.com wrote:
I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about this.
A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take a summer
course in programming. His goal is to become a business
I used to annoy my admins in school because i was the monster of
screen abuse on that server.
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Bryan O'Neal
bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote:
I'll be honest I have been reading this and going oh yha, that is a good
one but I have never heard of screen until now
really the top post vs bottom post is a personal prefrence.
I like top posted email, personally it means i can get to their
response, and if I am lost i have an email thread to get back to.
does not mean i cannot understand the logic of a bottom post it just
means its my preference...
On Tue,
On May 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Paul Mooring wrote:
I really like ruby as well but my experience has been if he's planning
on pursuing some type of CS degree he'll definitely need to know java
and C++ for 90% of the programming related classes, so that might be a
better place to start.
Here
just from my experience the bigger languages for business apps are
Visual Basic
PHP
Java
c/c++
ASP
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Dennis Kibbe
denn...@li3-188.members.linode.com wrote:
I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about this.
A friend who graduates from
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
you should have saved this for a timely release on talk like a pirate
day. but cool none the less.
Yargh,
Me hearties felt the best time to be raidin' thee PLUG list was now.
Lots of arghs,
Ryan
On Mon, May 18, 2009
Hey
As a current comp sci student they should get really used to uml design and
pseudo code more simply because there is more to a language than coding. Java
and c++ are similar but what took me the longest going to java from c++ was
designing classes and seeing their relationship. But as other
I agree with Kieth.
It has been at least 10 years since I wrote any code. I learned using
Pascal and C and then moved to C++ and Java. I think C, Pascal, or Ada will
all teach the programming skills needed before moving forward to OO
languages. C to me seems the most relavent.
Gilbert
I
From: keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote:
To make a professional looking WEB site with minimum effort
and maximum flexibility.
A (sort of) knowledgeable person kick-starts the site and
then hands maintenance and minor upgrades to
hire/barter with a designer?
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.netwrote:
From: keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote:
To make a professional looking WEB site with minimum effort
and maximum flexibility.
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote:
From: Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net
Subject: Re: Best professional WEB site tool out there...
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:29 PM
From: keith smith
I have an admin that loves to open bunches of screen sessions and leave them
open forever. This eventually kills the box, obviously. Screen is a great
tool that does not in any way prevent people from doing goofy things.
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I
I'd start with Java.
* Starting with C teaches too many bad habits. I've spent more time with C
programmers breaking bad habits than any other strongly-typed language.
* Starting with C++ is like starting with C, except there is 100 times more to
learn before you're productive, and 10 times
Why does whois say that this is a company in Colorado yet traceroute lists a
server in LosAngles?
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Chris Gehlker canyon...@mac.com wrote:
On May 19, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:44 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com
kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
Hello collective intelligence:
This is the simple plan:
To make a professional looking WEB site with minimum effort and maximum
flexibility.
It is broken down as:
A (sort of) knowledgeable person
Because the corporate offices are separate from the data center. It's
not all that unusual. Los Angeles is a peering point for the Internet
backbone and you want to be as close to that as possible.
The whois information is just who the administrative contact is and
not the physical
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote:
What are the most fun things to do in Arizona?
One of the best OT threads I've read in a while. Nice list and I'll
certainly be keeping it handy.
Kevin.
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No harm, I understand how hard it is to read emotions from text, my heart
wrenches from the pain of typing these words.
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
:-)
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike
havens
that explains it! gracias!
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Jon M. Hanson j...@the-hansons-az.netwrote:
Because the corporate offices are separate from the data center. It's not
all that unusual. Los Angeles is a peering point for the Internet backbone
and you want to be as close to that as
On Tue, 19 May 2009, James Mcphee wrote:
I have an admin that loves to open bunches of screen sessions and leave them
open forever. This eventually kills the box, obviously. Screen is a great
tool that does not in any way prevent people from doing goofy things.
Why should the application
For business apps, I suggest COBOL, COmmon Business-Oriented Language. Oh
wait, we're not in the 80's anymore.
I learned PERL for the O'Reilly book Programming Perl, also known as the
Camel book because of the picture of the camel on the cover. O'Reilly has
many books on Perl and all are helpful.
Great tools usually are the ones that let users do goofy things
without restraint
Its when people start needing the tool to nerf itself I get grumpy
On 5/19/09, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote:
I have an admin that loves to open bunches of screen sessions and leave them
open forever. This
I can't believe no one has mentioned assembly!
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote:
For business apps, I suggest COBOL, COmmon Business-Oriented Language. Oh
wait, we're not in the 80's anymore.
I learned PERL for the O'Reilly book Programming Perl, also
He said business applications, not device drivers. LOL
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Eric
Cope
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:40 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Best first
Full disclosure: I work for Intel but not in our Wireless Group.
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Joseph Sinclair
plug-discuss...@stcaz.netwrote:
There are some substantial differences between WiMax and WiFi.
Agreed. WiFi is 802.11 (b,a,g,n) certified by the WiFi Alliance (
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