Dennis,
I am going to be starting classes in the fall, so I have been doing
research on this subject. I am anti-Microsoft and pro-Linux/open
source. The languages I want to learn are listed below in the order I
plan on learning them.
Latex: a markup language (it is simple to learn and useful)
B
Full disclosure: I work for Intel but not in our Wireless Group.
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Joseph Sinclair
wrote:
> There are some substantial differences between WiMax and WiFi.
Agreed. WiFi is 802.11 (b,a,g,n) certified by the WiFi Alliance (
http://www.wi-fi.org/ ) WiMAX is 802.16 (e
He said business applications, not device drivers. LOL
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Cope
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:40 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Best first programmi
I can't believe no one has mentioned assembly!
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Bob Elzer wrote:
> For business apps, I suggest COBOL, COmmon Business-Oriented Language. Oh
> wait, we're not in the 80's anymore.
>
> I learned PERL for the O'Reilly book Programming Perl, also known as the
> Camel
Great tools usually are the ones that let users do goofy things
without restraint
Its when people start needing the tool to nerf itself I get grumpy
On 5/19/09, James Mcphee wrote:
> I have an admin that loves to open bunches of screen sessions and leave them
> open forever. This eventually kil
For business apps, I suggest COBOL, COmmon Business-Oriented Language. Oh
wait, we're not in the 80's anymore.
I learned PERL for the O'Reilly book Programming Perl, also known as the
Camel book because of the picture of the camel on the cover. O'Reilly has
many books on Perl and all are helpful.
On Tue, 19 May 2009, James Mcphee wrote:
> I have an admin that loves to open bunches of screen sessions and leave them
> open forever. This eventually kills the box, obviously. Screen is a great
> tool that does not in any way prevent people from doing goofy things.
Why should the application
that explains it! gracias!
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Jon M. Hanson wrote:
> Because the corporate offices are separate from the data center. It's not
> all that unusual. Los Angeles is a peering point for the Internet backbone
> and you want to be as close to that as possible.
>
> The whoi
No harm, I understand how hard it is to read emotions from text, my heart
wrenches from the pain of typing these words.
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
:-)
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On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Josef Lowder wrote:
> What are the most fun things to do in Arizona?
One of the best OT threads I've read in a while. Nice list and I'll
certainly be keeping it handy.
Kevin.
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Because the corporate offices are separate from the data center. It's
not all that unusual. Los Angeles is a peering point for the Internet
backbone and you want to be as close to that as possible.
The whois information is just who the administrative contact is and
not the physical location
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:44 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com
wrote:
> Hello collective intelligence:
>
> This is the simple plan:
> To make a professional looking WEB site with minimum effort and maximum
> flexibility.
>
> It is broken down as:
> A (sort of) knowledgeable person kick-starts the site a
Why does whois say that this is a company in Colorado yet traceroute lists a
server in LosAngles?
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Chris Gehlker wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 19, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
>>
>> > Nice output, Chris. Care t
I'd start with Java.
* Starting with C teaches too many bad habits. I've spent more time with C
programmers breaking bad habits than any other strongly-typed language.
* Starting with C++ is like starting with C, except there is 100 times more to
learn before you're productive, and 10 times mor
I have an admin that loves to open bunches of screen sessions and leave them
open forever. This eventually kills the box, obviously. Screen is a great
tool that does not in any way prevent people from doing goofy things.
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Stephen wrote:
> I used to annoy my admi
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Matt Graham wrote:
> From: Matt Graham
> Subject: Re: Best "professional" "WEB site" tool out there...
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:29 PM
> From: keith smith
> > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, JD Austin
> wrote:
> >>> To make a professional
hire/barter with a designer?
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Matt Graham wrote:
> From: keith smith
> > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, JD Austin wrote:
> >>> To make a professional looking WEB site with minimum effort
> >>> and maximum flexibility.
> >>> A (sort of) knowledgeable person kick-starts the
From: keith smith
> --- On Tue, 5/19/09, JD Austin wrote:
>>> To make a professional looking WEB site with minimum effort
>>> and maximum flexibility.
>>> A (sort of) knowledgeable person kick-starts the site and
>>> then hands maintenance and minor upgrades to monkeys.
If this is how you do it,
I agree with Kieth.
It has been at least 10 years since I wrote any code. I learned using
Pascal and C and then moved to C++ and Java. I think C, Pascal, or Ada will
all teach the programming skills needed before moving forward to OO
languages. C to me seems the most relavent.
Gilbert
> I
Hey
As a current comp sci student they should get really used to uml design and
pseudo code more simply because there is more to a language than coding. Java
and c++ are similar but what took me the longest going to java from c++ was
designing classes and seeing their relationship. But as other
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Stephen wrote:
> you should have saved this for a timely release on talk like a pirate
> day. but cool none the less.
>
Yargh,
Me hearties felt the best time to be raidin' thee PLUG list was now.
Lots of arghs,
Ryan
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ryan
just from my experience the bigger languages for business apps are
Visual Basic
PHP
Java
c/c++
ASP
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Dennis Kibbe
wrote:
> I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about this.
>
> A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take
On May 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Paul Mooring wrote:
> I really like ruby as well but my experience has been if he's planning
> on pursuing some type of CS degree he'll definitely need to know java
> and C++ for 90% of the programming related classes, so that might be a
> better place to start.
Her
really the top post vs bottom post is a personal prefrence.
I like top posted email, personally it means i can get to their
response, and if I am lost i have an email thread to get back to.
does not mean i cannot understand the logic of a bottom post it just
means its my preference...
On Tue, Ma
I used to annoy my admins in school because i was the monster of
screen abuse on that server.
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Bryan O'Neal
wrote:
> I'll be honest I have been reading this and going "oh yha, that is a good
> one" but I have never heard of screen until now
> http://www.manpagez.c
I have not tried to sync evolution with google but it is something i
am considering setting up at home
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Bryan O'Neal
wrote:
> You can export directly out of outlook as a CSV and import directly into
> evolution.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: plug-discuss-b
you should have saved this for a timely release on talk like a pirate
day. but cool none the less.
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Didn't know if anyone knows about this (Tuna does) but Facebook lists
> English (Pirate) as a supported language
> http://twitter.com/phrko
Keith Smith
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, JD Austin wrote:
> From: JD Austin
> Subject: Re: Best "professional" "WEB site" tool out there...
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:51 AM
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:44 AM,
> kitepi...@kitepilot.c
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Dennis Kibbe
wrote:
> I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about this.
>
> A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take a summer
> course in programming. His goal is to become a business applications
> programmer.
>
> He
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Chris Gehlker wrote:
>
> On May 19, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
>
> > Nice output, Chris. Care to share what created it?
>
Seems like it would take all of five seconds to script in bash...
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Thanks and best regards,
Ryan Rix
TamsPalm - The PalmOS Bl
I would recommend learning C first. Learn some simple procedural programming
then move to C++. I think this approach will make it easier to learn other
languages.
I would stay away from Java for the first language. Too much to learn and one
can get lost in Java.
---
I really like ruby as well but my experience has been if he's planning
on pursuing some type of CS degree he'll definitely need to know java
and C++ for 90% of the programming related classes, so that might be a
better place to start.
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 08:21 -0700, Chris Gehlker wrote:
> On Ma
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
> On posting
> 1) Top posting means I don't have to scroll through a ton of crap to read
> the new message. However if I desire I can easily see the context by
> scrolling down. If I read this in digest mode where I only read the last
> message
On May 19, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
> Nice output, Chris. Care to share what created it?
You got me. It was Network Utility from OS X.
>
> Chris Gehlker wrote:
>> On May 19, 2009, at 3:54 AM, mike havens wrote:
>>
>>> I want to find out all that I can about a certain Domain Name
>>>
Nice output, Chris. Care to share what created it?
Chris Gehlker wrote:
> On May 19, 2009, at 3:54 AM, mike havens wrote:
>
>> I want to find out all that I can about a certain Domain Name
>> Server. Unfortunately, I do not have linux on my computer so I will
>> have to ask someone to do this
On May 19, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Dennis Kibbe wrote:
> I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about
> this.
>
> A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take a
> summer course in programming. His goal is to become a business
> applications programmer.
>
>
Plone/Zope. You can configure almost everything with its built in web
interface, or add more customization using Python.
Mark
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:44 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com <
kitepi...@kitepilot.com> wrote:
> Hello collective intelligence:
>
> This is the simple plan:
> To make a profe
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:44 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com <
kitepi...@kitepilot.com> wrote:
> Hello collective intelligence:
>
> This is the simple plan:
> To make a professional looking WEB site with minimum effort and maximum
> flexibility.
>
> It is broken down as:
> A (sort of) knowledgeable pe
At the risk of starting a flame war I would say the best is C#. If you look
at both Tech Republic and CIO Magazine both have had articles in the last
four or five months that listed .Net in the top ten skill sets for the
current economy. Also as our office has been in the shutdown mode since
Novemb
Hello collective intelligence:
This is the simple plan:
To make a professional looking WEB site with minimum effort and maximum
flexibility.
It is broken down as:
A (sort of) knowledgeable person kick-starts the site and then handles
maintenance and minor upgrades to monkeys.
What's the too
The Python print function automatically appends a newline at the end
of the string you tell it to print (this can be overridden).
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On May 19, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Davis wrote:
> BTW, can
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Dennis Kibbe wrote:
> A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to
> take a summer course in programming. His goal is to become a
> business applications programmer.
>
> He asked me what language he should start with. I'd gues
BTW, can someone tell me why this happens?
$ perl -e 'print "hello world\n"'
hello world
$ python -c 'print "hello world"'
hello world
notice that I DID NOT have to put the \n at then end of the python print
statement? is it something to do with the -c (i.e. smart enough to know it is a
cmd line
On Tue, 19 May 2009 06:36:01 -0700
Gerald Thurman wrote:
> Learn to use a Unix system at the command-line along with a text editor and
> start writing BASH program. The command-line provides exposure to the Unix
> philosophy, files/directories, options/arguments, variables (environment),
> I/O,
On Mon, 18 May 2009 23:07:41 -0700
James Mcphee wrote:
> Screen is the greatest tool EVER!!! A CLI window manager! I mean, DUDE!!!
I work from home 3 days a week. Most of the time, in the morning and in the mid
afternoon, i have re-connect my vpn 10 - 15 times in as many minutes! REALLY
bother
Learn to use a Unix system at the command-line along with a text editor and
start writing BASH program. The command-line provides exposure to the Unix
philosophy, files/directories, options/arguments, variables (environment),
I/O, meta-characters and documentation (via manpages). First programs a
Even though I am not knowledgeable in the language, I think the best
first language for business is Java. It is also good for a first
leaning experience for other reasons but it is popular in the business
application world.
For web applications, "in the cloud," Ruby seems to be a more and more
po
thanks for the response, guys!
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, JD Austin wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:54 AM, mike havens wrote:
>
>> I want to find out all that I can about a certain Domain Name Server.
>> Unfortunately, I do not have linux on my computer so I will have to ask
>> som
I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about this.
A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take a summer course
in programming. His goal is to become a business applications programmer.
He asked me what language he should start with. I'd guess the prgramm
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:54 AM, mike havens wrote:
> I want to find out all that I can about a certain Domain Name Server.
> Unfortunately, I do not have linux on my computer so I will have to ask
> someone to do this for me. The DNS is 4.2.2.2 or 4.2.2.1
>
> --
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
Same for both:
$
On May 19, 2009, at 3:54 AM, mike havens wrote:
> I want to find out all that I can about a certain Domain Name
> Server. Unfortunately, I do not have linux on my computer so I will
> have to ask someone to do this for me. The DNS is 4.2.2.2 or 4.2.2.1
Ping has started ...
PING 4.2.2.2 (4.2
Lisa, I am curious what you would recommend? I have tried a few and most
leave me flat and unimpressed.
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To: Main PLUG d
You can export directly out of outlook as a CSV and import directly into
evolution.
-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:44 AM
To: Main PLUG di
I took a double take on this one. Google has a windows calendar sync for
outlook, (Evolution does not require an add on to do this) and their is
Google sync if (and only if) you have a mobile phone, however, other then a
few buggy LDAP solutions I have not found a way to actually "sync" your
contac
On posting
1) Top posting means I don't have to scroll through a ton of crap to read
the new message. However if I desire I can easily see the context by
scrolling down. If I read this in digest mode where I only read the last
message in a thread, then yha, bottom posting would make more sense.
2)
I want to find out all that I can about a certain Domain Name Server.
Unfortunately, I do not have linux on my computer so I will have to ask
someone to do this for me. The DNS is 4.2.2.2 or 4.2.2.1
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I didn't see the "LOL". Sorry.
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Bob Elzer wrote:
> I was trying to be funny, hence the LOL
>
> If it wasn't taken that way I apologize.
>
>
> --
> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
> plug-discuss-boun...@
This is interesting this came up just now: here at our motel, we've just
installed a WiMax system; unlike ClearWire, it looks like an old
Motorola Canopy system, with a rooftop antenna pointed downtown, but
performance wise it beats both in terms of latency and raw speed. Part
of the solution was
I can help with a few of these:
git, svn, cvs:
These are source code revision control tools (git is distributed, svn/cvs are
centralized). git is used by the Linux kernel developers. svn is meant to
replace cvs and is the most commonly used tool for open source projects. Other
similar tool
On Mon, 18 May 2009, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Sun, 17 May 2009, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 17 May 2009, Josef Lowder wrote:
>>>
>>> ..snip...
>>>
In the control center network center,
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