Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread joe
Eric Cope wrote: ... is greed the problem, or the ability to coerce? Not sure I understand that question correctly. But I don't think there is a difference. Would it not be true that the ability to coerce is driven and enabled by all the lobbiests who lobby as agents for the greedy?

OT: [sorta] Open source social network Diaspora

2010-08-30 Thread Mike Schwartz
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11108891 Facebook alternative Diaspora [...] Quote: the team will make the underlying code available for anyone to see and modify. -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread Eric Cope
Its my current view that we all have desires that stem from greed; the desire to offer our services for as high a price as possible AND to desire other's services for as low a prices as possible. We can't wish these results, but must participate in the market to get as close to these desires as

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread joe
Responses interspersed below: Its my current view that we all have desires that stem from greed I don't think this is a correct observation. Surely it is not a true statement that we ... *all* ... have desires that stem from greed There are enormous numbers of people who are assuredly *not*

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread Eric Cope
Would you limit greed to the pursuit of money, or would you consider the pursuit of other goals, not necessarily wealth based greed? Who defines excessive? Eric On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:48 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Responses interspersed below: Its my current view that we all have

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread joe
Would you limit greed to the pursuit of money, or would you consider the pursuit of other goals, not necessarily wealth based greed? Who defines excessive? Well, gluttony certainly is, by definition, another example of greed that has little or nothing to do with money. The extent of obesity

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread keith smith
I would say Wal-mart is a great example of true greed.  While they provide stuff at a low price they do so by gaming the system.  They require tax cuts to build in your area and they pay the lowest of low wages.  They tell their employees to get government subsistence as part of their model.

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread keith smith
Greed is not all about Money. For example, having an extramarital affair is about greed. Keith Smith --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread Eric Cope
Excessive is when the pursuit of maximizing profits and wealth harms others or totally ignores the needs of others. Can you point to a market transaction where one's needs are ignored? Who's responsibility is it to ensure one's needs are met? is it the buyer or the seller? When government

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread Eric Cope
You point the finger at Walmart, but why don't you point to the coercion as the culprit, as the root cause of our ills? Walmart does a great job of ensuring low prices for its consumers. Section-8 housing, food stamps, state funded health care are all different incarnations of the state's power of

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread joe
I would say Wal-mart is a great example of true greed. Keith, I'm really sorry that you seem to have such a hateful attitude toward Walmart. I don't want to pick a fight with you my good friend, but I do feel it's important to clarify a couple things. You asserted: They require tax cuts to

RE: Operation (by root) not permitted

2010-08-30 Thread ChasM Marshall
Thanks for the input, I'm still stuck. @Kevin: Your problem is right there. You have noexec as a mount option. Remove it and everything should work. noexec ? Huh? Where? Where does noexec in /etc/mtab come from? Since this is primarily for data storage, execution was never a concern. My

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread keith smith
In a nutshell I think Wal-Mart is a cancer.  I do not agree with their business model nor do I agree with their tactics.  I think they hurt us much more than help us.  If that is a hateful attitude, so be it.  I seem to stand alone in my opinion about Wal-Mart when amongst  conservatives. I

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread Eric Cope
If I may, you can't exploit a worker in a free market. If a worker is free to seek other employment, then the employer can't exploit, they can only approach the line that each employee draws between what they are willing to do for employment and not. It is not possible to coerce a government. You

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread keith smith
With government subsidies in place do we have a truly free market? Keith Smith --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem. To: Main PLUG

Backtrack 4 DVD Tutorials

2010-08-30 Thread Ariel Gold
[image: backtrack-4-beta.png backtrack 4 image by narakyo] *Backtrack 4 DVD Tutorials | English | AVI | 5.6GB* * * * Include: Installing Backtrack 3 Episode 1 – Network Hacking – Arp Poisoning Episode 2 – Wireless Hacking – Cracking WEP Episode 3 – Wireless Hacking – DeAuth Episode 5 – Lock

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread Eric Cope
No, *BUT* government subsidies are a perfect example of how government uses coercion to distort a free market. However, subsidies only distort the free market, they don't (usually) prevent most market forces from affecting transactions. In this case, the major government coercion taking place is

OT - (maybe) Recovering a Zip File

2010-08-30 Thread Eric Cope
Hello all, I transferred a zip file off of an infected Windows machine via FTP. That file was determined to be corrupt (after I wiped the drive of course). I suspect the corruption took place because I transferred the file using ASCII mode, not binary mode. Is there anyway to repair a zip file,

Re: OT - (maybe) Recovering a Zip File

2010-08-30 Thread Jason Holtzapple
On 08/30/2010 06:51 PM, Eric Cope wrote: I transferred a zip file off of an infected Windows machine via FTP. That file was determined to be corrupt (after I wiped the drive of course). I suspect the corruption took place because I transferred the file using ASCII mode, not binary mode. Is

Re: Backtrack 4 DVD Tutorials

2010-08-30 Thread Stephen
what the crap was this? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com wrote: *Backtrack 4 DVD Tutorials | English | AVI | 5.6GB* * * * * -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit

Re: Backtrack 4 DVD Tutorials

2010-08-30 Thread Ariel Gold
it's for the hackfest peoples. we don't have our own list, so you can just safely ignore it. 2010/8/30 Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com what the crap was this? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com wrote: *Backtrack 4 DVD Tutorials | English | AVI | 5.6GB* * *

Re: Backtrack 4 DVD Tutorials

2010-08-30 Thread AZ RUNE
Do you go to MCC? AZ_Rune On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com wrote: it's for the hackfest peoples. we don't have our own list, so you can just safely ignore it. 2010/8/30 Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com what the crap was this? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:10 PM,

Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.

2010-08-30 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:10:22PM -0600, j...@actionline.com wrote: I would say Wal-mart is a great example of true greed. Keith, I'm really sorry that you seem to have such a hateful attitude toward Walmart. I don't want to pick a fight with you my good friend, but I do feel it's

Re: Operation (by root) not permitted

2010-08-30 Thread Joseph Sinclair
ChasM, Because vfat has no permissions of it's own, but the POSIX filesystem layer needs to see permissions, the vfat filesystem driver makes it up. Fortunately, you can control the permissions it sets, from the machine that's mounting the drive. In your fstab, change the line that reads (I

Re: Backtrack 4 DVD Tutorials

2010-08-30 Thread Stephen
Say so then so i don't jump to conclusions :-) On Aug 30, 2010 8:00 PM, Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com wrote: it's for the hackfest peoples. we don't have our own list, so you can just safely ignore it. 2010/8/30 Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com what the crap was this? On Mon, Aug 30,