My direct ancestor signed the Constitution, and study if his life is
the typical biography of the politicians of the century: Thomas
Mifflin
Date & Place of Birth
January 10, 1744, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Passed Away
January 20, 1800, Lancaster, Pennsylvania
Place of Burial
T
amazing! just the other day I was thinking of this very cartoon.
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:57 AM, James Finstrom wrote:
> Civics 101 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlka6fTnDnI
>
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> How do we get that bill introduced?
>
>
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making at the town hall meetings is
being seen.
We are the people
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> From: Lisa Kachold
> Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks
> Emergency Control of the Inte
Lisa
> Kachold
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:08 PM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration
> Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
>
>
> Yes, we have no say - accept the Matrix for what it is.
>
> &
Administration
Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
Yes, we have no say - accept the Matrix for what it is.
"Freedum, Serfdom, Fiefdom - Don't trust anything with a "dum" on the end of
it.
The only freedom we have is through responsibility" -John Trudel
Aye, fight
Jim wrote:
>
>> From: Jim
>> Subject: Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration
>> Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
>> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 9:02 PM
>> Excellent logic! I
How do we get that bill introduced?
On 8/31/09, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 05:16:39PM -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
>> Jason Spatafore wrote:
>> > Give me direct vote on all laws that are presented to Congress. That is
>> > all I ask. Until then, this conversation is p
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 05:16:39PM -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
> Jason Spatafore wrote:
> > Give me direct vote on all laws that are presented to Congress. That is
> > all I ask. Until then, this conversation is pretty much over. It's going
> > to be a constant republican vs. democrat vs. i
On 8/31/09, Jason Spatafore wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:16 -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
>> These additional powers being granted to the executive branch must be
>> stopped at all costs. We have already seen what happens when we give
>> the
>> president the (unconstitutional) power to
Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
>
>> I was making fun of the original statement of the declaration of
>> independence "all men are created equal" in that women, african
>> americans, poor people, etc, simply did not count. Sorry if anyone took
>> it other than a joke
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
> I was making fun of the original statement of the declaration of
> independence "all men are created equal" in that women, african americans,
> poor people, etc, simply did not count. Sorry if anyone took it other than a
> joke as was obviously the case... :(
On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Austin William Wright wrote:
Democracy is nothing but tyranny of the majority. I was walking
through
Boston recently, and coming to the Holocaust memorial I saw a quote, a
common variation of which goes as follows:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not spea
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:16 -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
> These additional powers being granted to the executive branch must be
> stopped at all costs. We have already seen what happens when we give
> the
> president the (unconstitutional) power to declare war. Do your
> research
> on the b
rs a week for a few weeks to understand how
much power we really have.
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Austin William Wright
wrote:
> From: Austin William Wright
> Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks
> Emergency C
Jason Spatafore wrote:
> Give me direct vote on all laws that are presented to Congress. That is
> all I ask. Until then, this conversation is pretty much over. It's going
> to be a constant republican vs. democrat vs. independent debate that
> constantly occurs every single day.
>
> Just give me
Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> At 10:31 PM 8/30/2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
>
>> > I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
>> > anything so I would not get to vote.
>>
>>White land owning men? :P
>
>
> Ryan, I love 'ya, but:
>
> As a fat, white, land owner, Country Club Member & a
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
> mike havens wrote:
>
>> I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
>> anything so I would not get to vote.
>
> White land owning men? :P
Welcome to the 18th century.
--
Bob Holtzman
Key ID: 8D549279
"If you think you're getting fre
I don't think it's beside the point. If it's technically impossible to
snoop email, then snooping email becomes moot. It's a matter of
enforcement, and making something impossible to do is effective enforcement.
pgp can certainly be done, but I wouldn't call it extremely easy. If it
were extrem
On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:46 AM, James Finstrom wrote:
I saw a deal on one of real tv's video shows where these kids took
over a university cafiteria for 2 days to protest something and as
soon as the threat of arrest came they all split. Unfortunately
although college kids are often excitabl
Like anything else, email privacy depends on context. I certainly am not
going to bother with "secure" email if I'm sending said email to a public
email list. Point-to-point security is extremely easy with straight-up pgp
encryption. Trying to handle secure email in a glorified dark net is a
who
I saw a deal on one of real tv's video shows where these kids took over a
university cafiteria for 2 days to protest something and as soon as the
threat of arrest came they all split. Unfortunately although college kids
are often excitable sheep who act on mob mentalities and do whatever is
popular
Civil disobedience is a pretty extreme measure. We're still able to
protest, etc. If this continues for 20 years and we still get no luv, then
civil disobedience may be the only way, and that means some of us are going
to jail. We would be breaking the law, after all. Luckily, by then there
wil
I've always wondered about people who complain about email privacy, yet
use a gmail address.
For starters, what if the technically competent were to set up and use
email servers that were configured to use TLS whenever it's available.
Some servers are already configured for this. Wouldn't that
At 10:31 PM 8/30/2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
> I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
> anything so I would not get to vote.
White land owning men? :P
Ryan, I love 'ya, but:
As a fat, white, land owner, Country Club Member & a Republican, I
find this very offensive.
Letters, faxes, phone calls, rally's, town hall meetings
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> From: Lisa Kachold
> Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks
> Emergency Control of the Internet
&
Back to the regulation of information?
We don't get to vote on this, we defrayed that when we voted.
What choices do we have now? Civil disobedience?
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
> mike havens wrote:
>
>> I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
>
Obama Administration Seeks
> Emergency Control of the Internet
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 9:39 PM
> Jason Spatafore wrote:
> > Until the representatives are removed...we will
> constantly struggle with
> > this so-called Democ
helm them.
Keith Smith
--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Jim wrote:
> From: Jim
> Subject: Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration
> Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2
I've always been against information farming without consent. I'm far less
concerned about what will be done with the information today, since I
consider myself a well-adjusted and lawful individual. But what happens in
20 years when societal norms have changed and someone digs up my info to
find
mike havens wrote:
> I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
> anything so I would not get to vote.
White land owning men? :P
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, James Lee Bell
> wrote:
>
>> Jason Spatafore wrote:
>> > Until the representatives are removed...we wil
I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own anything
so I would not get to vote.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, James Lee Bell wrote:
> Jason Spatafore wrote:
> > Until the representatives are removed...we will constantly struggle with
> > this so-called Democracy. Techn
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, James Lee Bell wrote:
> Jason Spatafore wrote:
>> Until the representatives are removed...we will constantly struggle with
>> this so-called Democracy. Technology has finally caught up to where it
>> can be used for a direct Democratic country with lower costs than
Jason Spatafore wrote:
> Until the representatives are removed...we will constantly struggle with
> this so-called Democracy. Technology has finally caught up to where it
> can be used for a direct Democratic country with lower costs than
> running elections every two years. Now is the time to star
Excellent logic! I vote so its not my fault.
Voting is but one step we can take to make our government understand our
desires and needs.
Just voting is like running a marathon by taking one step.
Jim
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> No, I didn't notice it was right!
>
> My Bad! OT is fine!
>
> Ryan, in case you didn't notice--there ARE NO RULES!
“If you are not one of us, you are one of them... They still
live in a world that is based on rules; because of that, they
are never g
No, I didn't notice it was right!
My Bad! OT is fine!
Ryan, in case you didn't notice--there ARE NO RULES!
:)
On 8/30/09, Ryan Rix wrote:
> I tried to label at as OT, guess I borked up.
>
> Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>> Why do we have TWO threads?
>>
>> Who inserted the Re in the subject???
>>
>
I tried to label at as OT, guess I borked up.
Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Why do we have TWO threads?
>
> Who inserted the Re in the subject???
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Jason
> Spatafore wrote:
>> On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 16:30 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
>>> The lobbyists take advantage of said
Why do we have TWO threads?
Who inserted the Re in the subject???
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Jason
Spatafore wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 16:30 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
>> The lobbyists take advantage of said jack asses' laziness.
>
> I can't disagree with that. But you gotta hit the root c
Excellent insight!!
Keith Smith
--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks
> Emergency Control of the
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 16:30 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
> The lobbyists take advantage of said jack asses' laziness.
I can't disagree with that. But you gotta hit the root cause of a
problem, not just the middle man.
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Jason Spatafore wrote:
> Sorry that I can't believe in the lobbyists corruption theory.
> If you're looking for somebody to blame, blame the American people for
> being a bunch of lazy jack asses when it comes to elections, not the
> lobbyists.
The lobbyists take advantage of said jack asses' laz
A> On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 15:20 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
Who pays for the advertisements and the money that gives the people who run
for office the power and the footprint to actually get elected? Not me or
anyone else;
Sorry Ryan, take a look:
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.php
http:/
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 16:02 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
> How do you deal with the security implications/identity crises that
> computer
> based voting introduces?
The same way you deal with it with paper voting. You figure out who the
bad guys are and put them in jail. Identity theft is a real threat
At 03:55 PM 8/30/2009, Jason Spatafore wrote:
snip, snip
Sorry, a computer is available almost everywhere you go. It's time
to grow with the times and
move on.
Actually, we pay a tax (check your phone bills) to wire every library
(and school) -- and anyone can go into the library and use t
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 15:25 -0700, keith smith wrote:
> The constitution provides a limited number of things the Federal
> Government can be involved in. It is the state and the people that
> have all the authority.
Give me direct vote on all laws that are presented to Congress. That is
all I ask.
Jason Spatafore wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 15:20 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
>> > The president is asking for permission...it is up to us to grant it.
>> No, it's up to the people who the lobbyists elected.
>
> *YOU* had a direct vote in their election to office and your vote was
> just as meaning
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 15:20 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
> > The president is asking for permission...it is up to us to grant it.
> No, it's up to the people who the lobbyists elected.
*YOU* had a direct vote in their election to office and your vote was
just as meaningful as the lobbyists with equal we
gh law has been passed does not make it lawful.
Keith Smith
--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Jason Spatafore wrote:
> From: Jason Spatafore
> Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks
> Emergency Control of the Internet
> To: &quo
Jason Spatafore wrote:
> The president is asking for permission...it is up to us to grant it.
No, it's up to the people who the lobbyists elected.
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Ryan Rix
(623)-826-0051
Fortune:
Respect is a rational process
-- McCoy, "The Galileo Seven", stardate 2822.3
http://hackersramb
Yesterday I attended a court hearing that in my opinion, directly
relates to this thread. Let me tell you about it.
At issue was the proposed destruction of paper ballots from a 2006
Pima County bond election that "smells fishy". I won't go into all of
the details but...it doesn't look right. T
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 13:53 -0700, keith smith wrote:
> Jason you say "Ultimately, there is nothing to fear really.". There
> is everything to fear and it is illegal.
>
> Our founding fathers wanted to make sure we were protected from this
> type of thing by giving us the Bill of Rights.
As a go
son Spatafore
> Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks
> Emergency Control of the Internet
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 11:35 AM
> On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 09:53 -0700,
> Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
It comes as no surprise that this is coming from Jay Rockefeller,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY
-jmz
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> "While the details are unknown, credible evidence indicates that
> billions of everyday communications of ordinary Americans a
On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 09:53 -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> "While the details are unknown, credible evidence indicates that
> billions of everyday communications of ordinary Americans are swept up
> by government computers and run through a process that includes both
> data-mining and review of conte
"While the details are unknown, credible evidence indicates that
billions of everyday communications of ordinary Americans are swept up
by government computers and run through a process that includes both
data-mining and review of content, to try to figure out whether any of
us were involved in ill
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