Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 06:58 -0700, Mark Phillips wrote: > My oldest is heading off to college in the Fall, and she needs to take > a laptop with her. She has used Linux all her life, but only from > Gnome, so Windows, Mac, Linux are all "the same" to her. She is a > journalist, not a computer geek.

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
In a Word: Dell Dell makes the best laptops available and support Linux. You essentially have only one problem here: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/03/04/itunes-syncing-now-works-in-linux-with-wine/ Banshee http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7150747782.html On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:58 A

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Gehlker
On May 12, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > In a Word: Dell > Dell makes the best laptops available and support Linux. Dell used to make reliable computers. Hopefully they will again someday. Right now they don't. Presents reliability by brand

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
The dual boot system described by Craig is absolutely the best solution https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgpod/+bug/199326>I can confirm this bug under intrepid using *Rhythmbox*, *GTKPod* and even Floola. My 5th gen 80gb black video *ipod* is pretty much inaccessible. * ...*

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
I am really liking what i have heard both on list and online about system76.com 100% Linux compatible laptops and the pricing is incredible On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: > My oldest is heading off to college in the Fall, and she needs to take a > laptop with her. She has

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Joe
I couldn't agree less. Sure it'll be powerful enough for her, no doubt, but she's going to be typing up documents for school, and the netbook keyboards are much smaller than a real keyboard. She could get used to it or even use an external keyboard when she's working, but why force her to go throug

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
"As for jounalism...she should re-evaluate because it is an industry in a death spiral." This is true, but is it because of quality journalism or not... i gave up paying attention because i kept getting bombarded with crap instead of insightful information and the like... quality journalists can h

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Charles Jones
If you never want to have to worry about problems with it. Get a Dell and the "Complete Care" warranty. You can literally throw your laptop against a wall and they will fix it good as new. Things I have seen them fix, while having to support some employee laptops. * Replaced shattered LCD - mult

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
Get her an Apple (with AppleCare if you want the 2 years of extended warranty). Great hardware. Its light, it works with iTunes, Office or OpenOffice. The best deal is refurbed from Apple's site. 13.3" Macbook white - $849. http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB402LL/A?mco=MjE0NDk5Mw Don't curse he

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Charles Jones
AppleCare doesn't replace broken LCDs (know from experience). And this often happens with students, usually from having a pen laying on the keyboard and closing the lid*crunch* :-) -Charles Eric Cope wrote: Get her an Apple (with AppleCare if you want the 2 years of extended warranty).

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
I heard that happen once... followed by a oh F... i cringed... On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Charles Jones wrote: > AppleCare doesn't replace broken LCDs (know from experience). And this often > happens with students, usually from having a pen laying on the keyboard and > closing the lid*

RE: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Bob Elzer
on list Subject: Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions I couldn't agree less. Sure it'll be powerful enough for her, no doubt, but she's going to be typing up documents for school, and the netbook keyboards are much smaller than a real keyboard. She could get used to it or even use a

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
thats a good point. Let your kid buy themselves something so they value it enough not to close a lid on a pen. I bought my own IBM laptop and never closed the lid on a pen because I knew I counldn't afford to replace it! On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Charles Jones < charles.jo...@ciscolearning

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
Thanks for all the advice! My take away so far: 1. Buy a Mac - all problems solved, but I have no idea how to use it or support it, and probably the most expensive choice. 2. Get a dual boot system - inconvenient, but I can support it for her long distance 3. Netbook vs laptop - I agree the porta

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Jason Holtzapple
--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Mark Phillips wrote: >  No one mentioned a VM solution - boot > Linux and run Windows with some form of vmware for ITunes. > Am I looking at yet more expense for high end hardware (lots > of RAM and dual core)? I have tried vmware on my P4 2 GHz > laptop and it works but a li

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Joe
I run 32-bit XP in VirtualBox on my X360. It's a low-voltage, dual-core 1.2GHz chip (SU9300) with 3GB of RAM running 64-bit Ubuntu (8.10 at the moment). It runs pretty fast for me; that is, the fan doesn't seem to go crazy and there's no real noticeable lag in the host or the VM. To be fair though,

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
Macs are pretty... Macs are BSD, so you can support it too. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Joe wrote: > I run 32-bit XP in VirtualBox on my X360. It's a low-voltage, dual-core > 1.2GHz chip (SU9300) with 3GB of RAM running 64-bit Ubuntu (8.10 at the > moment). It runs pretty fast for me; that

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Gehlker
On May 12, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: > Thanks for all the advice! My take away so far: > 1. Buy a Mac - all problems solved Hardly. You just move on to the OpenOffice vs NeoOffice issue. ;-) -- Conscience is th

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
Arghhh...now I know why I don't want to get a MAC...lol ;-) On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Chris Gehlker wrote: > > On May 12, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: > > > Thanks for all the advice! My take away so far: > > 1. Buy a Mac - all problems solved > > Hardly. You just move on

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Donn
OpenOffice 3 works perfectly well with OS X without the need for X or NeoOffice. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: > Arghhh...now I know why I don't want to get a MAC...lol ;-) > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Chris Gehlker wrote: > >> >> On May 12, 2009, at 10:03 A

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
I use OpenOffice on my Mac. You *could* buy Office if you want to... student edition is affordable Eric On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Donn wrote: > OpenOffice 3 works perfectly well with OS X without the need for X or > NeoOffice. > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Mark Phillips < >

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 11:08 -0700, Donn wrote: > OpenOffice 3 works perfectly well with OS X without the need for X or > NeoOffice. agreed and I have too much history with the slow dog NeoOffice to ever actually install it again. OOo works on Intel based Macs - enough said. Craig -- Thi

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread nadimhoque
use oo is so much better. Nadim Hoque Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Eric Cope Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:14:23 To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions --- PLUG-discuss

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 08:53 -0700, Joe wrote: > I couldn't agree less. Sure it'll be powerful enough for her, no doubt, > but she's going to be typing up documents for school, and the netbook > keyboards are much smaller than a real keyboard. She could get used to > it or even use an external keybo

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 08:56 -0700, Stephen wrote: > "As for jounalism...she should re-evaluate because it is an industry in a > death spiral." > > This is true, but is it because of quality journalism or not... i gave > up paying attention because i kept getting bombarded with crap instead > of in

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
I agree it is not the same as before, but the concept of journalism is not based on the media it is presented in be it TV internet, print or newsprint. the part that i find lacking is almost unilateral across these mediums. and i honestly prefer to save the trees and get mine online. but its stil

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Jerry Davis
On Tue, 12 May 2009 10:03:47 -0700 Mark Phillips wrote: > 4. Lisa picked up on a good point - my daughter is deathly afraid I will get > her a "black box" computer for college. I mean a real black box - square > corners, matte black. We don't agree on shoes, and we don't agree on the > need for a

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Bishmer Sekaran
> 4. Lisa picked up on a good point - my daughter is deathly afraid I > will get her a "black box" computer for college. I mean a real black > box - square corners, matte black. We don't agree on shoes, and we > don't agree on the need for a fashionable laptopso I have to > through in tha

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
You, Henry Ford, and I all agree that black is the best color. You are in good company. :-) Mark On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bishmer Sekaran wrote: > > > 4. Lisa picked up on a good point - my daughter is deathly afraid I > > will get her a "black box" computer for college. I mean a real bl

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
Thank-you everyone for your input. It has proven to be very helpful in narrowing the choices, and provided some good input to discuss with my daughter. This is what we have decided.FWIW: 1. Dual boot Windows and Linux. She only uses iTunes once a week at most, and then to buy a song or two for

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Greg Furmanek
Hi Mark, As much as I would like to recommend a Linux system at this time the best hardware you can buy is a Mac. I know some say that the premium $ is not worth it but after using one for over 2 years I have nothing better to recommend. BTW, the price is way worth it and it's based on a soli

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 20:01 -0700, Greg Furmanek wrote: > Hi Mark, > > As much as I would like to recommend a Linux system at this time the > best > hardware you can buy is a Mac. I know some say that the premium $ is > not > worth it but after using one for over 2 years I have nothing better to

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread AZ Rune
System76.com This company has a line of notebooks & their new Netbook (got one myself) with good hardware and customer support check out youtube for a review of one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWBqgtJBOAA You really can't go wrong here and with the other programs people mentioned you should

RE: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Bob Elzer
...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:24 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions You, Henry Ford, and I all agree that black is the best color. You are in good company. :-) Mark On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bishmer

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-13 Thread Greg Furmanek
#1 reason I would recommend Mac is that most of the time you don't have to do the sysadmin stuff for the people that have those. I haven't had any problems with DRM on Mac. True I am not doing a lot of video but audio has not been much of a problem. I have to agree with your point of damage a