On Tue, 1 May 2007, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
Also for the benefit of those using ZAP it might be best to not
document whatever workaround you use to achieve this on the mail list.
Fair enough. Anyone who wants the address to the description of the
exploit, just let me know and I'll send it
said...
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Neil Herber (nospam) wrote:
>
> > On 2007-04-30 The Editor is rumoured to have said:
> >> Thanks for the input Ben... I've enjoyed learning about the ethics of
> >> open source communities almost as much as the coding. A curious but
> >> interesting environment.
>
Neil Herber (nospam) wrote:
> On 2007-05-01 kjettil is rumoured to have said:
>> I'd propose that, similarly, the Cookbook recipes be organized in two
>> sets: 1 - One set for recipes which have been tested and proved to be
>> stable, reliable and secure, and therefore can be recommended for
>>
On 2007-05-01 kjettil is rumoured to have said:
> I'd propose that, similarly, the Cookbook recipes be organized in two sets: 1
> - One set for recipes which have been tested and proved to be stable,
> reliable and secure, and therefore can be recommended for safe use by serious
> web site devel
On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 01:53:09PM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 12:08:23PM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> >> On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >I'm saying that if ZAP is enabled _anywhere_ on a
The two questions on ZAP, Acme and ZAPwiki I asked less than 36 hours
ago have not been clearly answered, but have resulted in some 50
elucidating contributions from more than a dozen contributors.
All these contributions lead me to the conclusion that ZAP (or Acme or
whatever it may be called)
On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 12:08:23PM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> > On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >I'm saying that if ZAP is enabled _anywhere_ on a site that allows
> > >_any_ editing by an untrusted user, then t
On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 12:08:23PM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I'm saying that if ZAP is enabled _anywhere_ on a site that allows
> >_any_ editing by an untrusted user, then the untrusted user
> >can use ZAP to modify any other page on the
On 5/1/07, Ben Stallings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
> > This understates/misstates my point. If ZAP is enabled on
> > _any_ publicly accessible pages, then an author with edit permission
> > to any other page on the site -- even pages where ZAP isn't
> > "enabled" -- ca
On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 11:40:33AM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> > On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 10:57:51AM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> > >> True. As the ZAPsite recommends, ZAP should on
On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 11:40:33AM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 10:57:51AM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> >> True. As the ZAPsite recommends, ZAP should only be enabled on pages
> >> where trusted users have access to ed
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Neil Herber (nospam) wrote:
On 2007-04-30 The Editor is rumoured to have said:
Thanks for the input Ben... I've enjoyed learning about the ethics of
open source communities almost as much as the coding. A curious but
interesting environment.
A couple of questions that ha
On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 10:57:51AM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> > On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Following up on this post, I think it needs to be made much clearer
> > >that using ZAP on a site means that _any_
On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 10:57:51AM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Following up on this post, I think it needs to be made much clearer
> >that using ZAP on a site means that _any_ author can create ZAP
> >forms that can modify _any_ page on the
On 5/1/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:07:18PM -0700, H. Fox wrote:
> > On 4/30/07, Ben Stallings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I also fear [Dan's] doing his reputation more harm
> > > than good by repeatedly saying the recipe is unreliable and
> >
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:07:18PM -0700, H. Fox wrote:
> On 4/30/07, Ben Stallings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I also fear [Dan's] doing his reputation more harm
> > than good by repeatedly saying the recipe is unreliable and
> > untrustworthy and something to be cautious of, when it is not
>
On 4/30/07, Ben Stallings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I also fear [Dan's] doing his reputation more harm
> than good by repeatedly saying the recipe is unreliable and
> untrustworthy and something to be cautious of, when it is not
Wile E. Coyote has also been known as "Hard-Headipus Ravenus" and
On 4/30/07, The Editor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/30/07, Neil Herber (nospam) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I take it from this response that you are not willing to answer my
> > questions.
>
> Sorry Neil. Thought I had in other posts...
>
> 1) ZAP is the Script. Acme is the recipe page
t.
Aleks
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Subject: Re: [pmwiki-users] Why all this zapping?
This place is full of seriousness. Knee-deep i
ARFKAZ has my vote!
even better, we could use some sort of UNICODE glyph!!!
ZAP was always (well, after it was Fast, and before it was Acme) ZAP
with all upper-case. Only I could never remember that, and kept typing
Cookbook/Zap into my browser, and getting prompted to create the page
Zap
On 2007-04-30 Ben Stallings is rumoured to have said:
> We deal with brand names every day, folks. Acme appears to be a brand name
> (like Apple), while ZAP is clearly a product (like Macintosh). Is that clear
> enough?
I an attempt to enlighten myself about the brand versus product, I
checked
Monday, April 30, 2007, 7:52:14 PM, Ben wrote:
> What is "Fox," if not a brand name? --Ben
Fox is the name of a form processing script for PmWiki.
Just like Gemini, Triad, FixFlow: names for scripts, not brands.
I choose Fox because it is very short and I wanted something short for
use in the ma
On 4/30/07, The Editor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/30/07, Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:37:49 AM, The wrote:
> >
> > I like to dissuade any contributing author on pmwiki.org to use more
> > than one Profile name, purely for the sake of avoiding confusion.
>
>
This place is full of seriousness. Knee-deep in it.
Not that I'm encouraging people to create multiple pseudonyms, or
anything. That's reactionary, and, yeah -- confusing.
But, seriously folks, lighten up.
p.s. 'Historically, a brand was any visible mark created for
identification. Today, a bran
Hans wrote:
> Clearly cookbook pages are not to promote brand names.
What is "Fox," if not a brand name? --Ben
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On 4/30/07, Patrick R. Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 10:54:31AM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> > Also, I am not too concerned about its success. I'm not even sure if
> > I'll end up using it on my site (I'm leaning toward PmWiki). I just
> > kept coming up against obstac
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 10:54:31AM -0400, The Editor wrote:
> Also, I am not too concerned about its success. I'm not even sure if
> I'll end up using it on my site (I'm leaning toward PmWiki). I just
> kept coming up against obstacles and complexities in PmWiki in regards
> to various cutting edg
Monday, April 30, 2007, 5:57:55 PM, Ben wrote:
> We deal with brand names every day, folks. Acme appears to be a brand
> name (like Apple), while ZAP is clearly a product (like Macintosh). Is
> that clear enough? I think it might actually be more confusing if the
> recipe itself were called Acm
On 4/30/07, marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Editor said...
> > On 4/30/07, Ben Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 4/30/07, The Editor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I just
> > kept coming up against obstacles and complexities in PmWiki in regards
> > to various cutting edge ZAP fu
For the record, since this seems to be gang-up-on-Dan day, I'd just like
to say that I, for one, do not find the difference between Acme and ZAP
one bit more confusing than the difference between Apple and Macintosh,
or between my ISP and the Internet access it provides, or between PmWiki
and t
On 4/30/07, The Editor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/30/07, Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:37:49 AM, The wrote:
> >
> > I like to dissuade any contributing author on pmwiki.org to use more
> > than one Profile name, purely for the sake of avoiding confusion.
>
>
The Editor said...
> On 4/30/07, Ben Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 4/30/07, The Editor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just
> kept coming up against obstacles and complexities in PmWiki in regards
> to various cutting edge ZAP functionalities. ZAP works in PmWiki, and
> PmWiki is a gre
>>> "The Editor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/30/2007 11:20 AM >>>
On 4/30/07, Neil Herber (nospam) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From what I have seen in questions posed here about ZAP and Acme, they
> are confusing people more than clarifying the reasons they both exist.
It strikes me as curious that t
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:12:07 -0400
"Neil Herber (nospam)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A couple of questions that have come up a few times still have
> not been answered to my knowledge. Could you please clarify?
>
> 1) Is there any difference between ZAP and Acme?
> 2) If no, then could you use
On 4/30/07, Neil Herber (nospam) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I take it from this response that you are not willing to answer my
> questions.
Sorry Neil. Thought I had in other posts...
1) ZAP is the Script. Acme is the recipe page, and possibly the label
for several of my recipes, such as Acm
On Monday 30 April 2007 17:12, Neil Herber (nospam) wrote:
> A couple of questions that have come up a few times still have not been
> answered to my knowledge. Could you please clarify?
>
> 1) Is there any difference between ZAP and Acme?
> 2) If no, then could you use just one of the names?
> 3)
The Editor wrote:
> On 4/30/07, Neil Herber (nospam) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From what I have seen in questions posed here about ZAP and Acme, they
>> are confusing people more than clarifying the reasons they both exist.
>
> It strikes me as curious that the ones asking the questions and
On 4/30/07, Neil Herber (nospam) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From what I have seen in questions posed here about ZAP and Acme, they
> are confusing people more than clarifying the reasons they both exist.
It strikes me as curious that the ones asking the questions and
participating in the discus
On 2007-04-30 The Editor is rumoured to have said:
> Thanks for the input Ben... I've enjoyed learning about the ethics of open
> source communities almost as much as the coding. A curious but interesting
> environment.
Hi Dan
A couple of questions that have come up a few times still have not
On 4/30/07, Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:37:49 AM, The wrote:
>
> I like to dissuade any contributing author on pmwiki.org to use more
> than one Profile name, purely for the sake of avoiding confusion.
I've noticed programmers tend to take themselves a bit too seri
On 4/30/07, Ben Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/30/07, The Editor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > Actually Kathryn, that is not completely fair. : ). First, there
> > were several reasons--the biggest is suggested in the link I mentioned
> > above at zapsite. Second, I have a
Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:37:49 AM, The wrote:
> On 4/30/07, Kathryn Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> My understanding is that Dan renamed ZAP to Acme simply because he
>> wanted to appear first in all the lists in the Cookbook, rather than
>> letting ZAP stand on its own merits. You are n
On 4/30/07, The Editor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>
> Actually Kathryn, that is not completely fair. : ). First, there
> were several reasons--the biggest is suggested in the link I mentioned
> above at zapsite. Second, I have actually had as much or more
> positive feedback on the name ch
On 4/30/07, kjettil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On http://www.fast.st/zapbeta/index.php?n=Support-Engine/HomePage one
> can read that a "ZAPWIKI" is "coming soon"! The site tells that
> "ZAPWIKI" is "/not designed to be a replacement for PmWiki/". Is it to
> become a "lean competitor" to PmWiki, o
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:39:29AM +0200, kjettil wrote:
> On http://www.fast.st/zapbeta/index.php?n=Support-Engine/HomePage one
> can read that a "ZAPWIKI" is "coming soon"! The site tells that
> "ZAPWIKI" is "/not designed to be a replacement for PmWiki/". Is it to
> become a "lean competitor"
On http://www.fast.st/zapbeta/index.php?n=Support-Engine/HomePage one
can read that a "ZAPWIKI" is "coming soon"! The site tells that
"ZAPWIKI" is "/not designed to be a replacement for PmWiki/". Is it to
become a "lean competitor" to PmWiki, or what is the purpose of this new
wiki software?
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