Re: Removing logging from POI

2002-06-08 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
And please document it somewhere. On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 15:42, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] going to commons loggin when set. -1 - Ditch commons logging. Lets just do System.out. I'm tried of fighting with library dependencies and having

Re: Removing logging from POI

2002-06-08 Thread Glen Stampoultzis
And make sure it doesn't load commons logging classes unless explicitly told to. -- Glen And please document it somewhere. On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 15:42, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] going to commons loggin when set. -1 - Ditch commons

Re: Removing logging from POI

2002-06-07 Thread Glen Stampoultzis
When I debug, I use the graphical chainsaw to see the logs. It's quite cool IMHO. If we default to noop when a property is set, we don't even need commons logging, since only our factory and logger know of it's existence, so it can safely be removed. Deal? Are you saying going

Re: Removing logging from POI

2002-06-07 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: Glen Stampoultzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I debug, I use the graphical chainsaw to see the logs. It's quite cool IMHO. If we default to noop when a property is set, we don't even need commons logging, since only our factory and logger know of it's existence, so it can safely

Re: Removing logging from POI

2002-06-07 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Are you saying going straight to log4j again (when prop is set)? NO, straight to System.out when the prop is set. Log4J was a nightmere! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Removing logging from POI

2002-06-07 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] going to commons loggin when set. -1 - Ditch commons logging. Lets just do System.out. I'm tried of fighting with library dependencies and having no clue how to turn logging on because its not documented ANYWHERE that I can see (I always muddle

Re: Removing logging from POI

2002-06-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: Glen Stampoultzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amazingly the logging still seems to produce problems for our users. It's really quite amazing how a simple thing such as logging can cause so many problems. I am thinking perhaps we should simply be getting rid of logging from our application. I

RE: Removing logging from POI

2002-06-06 Thread Danny Angus
3. Only load commons logging if a system property is setup. +1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Removing logging from POI

2002-06-06 Thread Glen Stampoultzis
We are still using the wrappers ;-) The fact is that they use commons logging underneath. I think that simply giving a -Dpoi.logging=enable check system would remove the problem. Probably, but I wonder whether we really need the dependency at all. I've personally never even used the

Re: Removing logging from POI

2002-06-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: Glen Stampoultzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are still using the wrappers ;-) The fact is that they use commons logging underneath. I think that simply giving a -Dpoi.logging=enable check system would remove the problem. Probably, but I wonder whether we really need the dependency

Removing logging from POI

2002-06-05 Thread Glen Stampoultzis
Amazingly the logging still seems to produce problems for our users. It's really quite amazing how a simple thing such as logging can cause so many problems. I am thinking perhaps we should simply be getting rid of logging from our application. I can see these potential options: 1. Comment