Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-09 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Nicholas Geti wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Ricardo Araoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> I guess we disagree on this topic. I think your govt would be 'optimal' >> if you had a mechanism by which people could kick off any public officer >> if enough signatures are obtained, even a pre

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-08 Thread Michael Madigan
m: Nicholas Geti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:48 PM > - Original Message - > From: "Ricardo Araoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-08 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Ricardo Araoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I guess we disagree on this topic. I think your govt would be 'optimal' > if you had a mechanism by which people could kick off any public officer > if enough signatures are obtained, even a president before his mandate > i

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-07 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 7, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > Of course, it was a fight for supremacy between the northern > industrial > complex and the southern agricultural states, of course both wanted a > different management of the economy. The problem was the north > needed to > stop the secessio

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-07 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Sep 7, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > >> If a club or a society (let's say a neighbors society) would hire an >> engineer, they would also insist in being able to fire him at will. >> And >> that's a group of people. Besides if roughly half the people does not >>

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-07 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 7, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > If a club or a society (let's say a neighbors society) would hire an > engineer, they would also insist in being able to fire him at will. > And > that's a group of people. Besides if roughly half the people does not > want him to do what he is

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-07 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > >> Funny that. If you hire a lawyer or an engineer you would be adamant >> in >> keeping your right to fire him at any time (nothing about the engineer >> "focus on doing what is right, not what is" your wish "at the moment".

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-07 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > Funny that. If you hire a lawyer or an engineer you would be adamant > in > keeping your right to fire him at any time (nothing about the engineer > "focus on doing what is right, not what is" your wish "at the moment". > Same thing if you hire

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-07 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:44 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > >> I guess we disagree on this topic. I think your govt would be >> 'optimal' >> if you had a mechanism by which people could kick off any public >> officer >> if enough signatures are obtained, even a president before his ma

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-07 Thread Pete Theisen
Jean Laeremans wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Now you are going to tell me that he got a b*b on the job, in the >> workplace, with a subordinate and then lied under oath about it? Or >> maybe that the Ds are so embarrassed about their last i

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-07 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ed Leafe wrote: > > Now you are going to tell me that he got a b*b on the job, in the > workplace, with a subordinate and then lied under oath about it? Or > maybe that the Ds are so embarrassed about their last impeachm

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-06 Thread Pete Theisen
Ed Leafe wrote: > Bush has committed several clearly impeachable offenses, but Congress has > utterly failed in its duty to prosecute these matters. Hi Ed! Well, for heaven's sake, it is your D congress after all. You would think that these "clearly impeachable offenses" would be an opportuni

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-06 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:44 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > I guess we disagree on this topic. I think your govt would be > 'optimal' > if you had a mechanism by which people could kick off any public > officer > if enough signatures are obtained, even a president before his mandate > is complete. That

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-06 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > >> In that case I could say that govt from the top also assumes that >> those >> who command have society's best interests in mind. And THAT is also a >> 'simplistic' philosophy. As is the one that says that majority must be >>

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-06 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote: > In that case I could say that govt from the top also assumes that > those > who command have society's best interests in mind. And THAT is also a > 'simplistic' philosophy. As is the one that says that majority must be > right... or rule, plain

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-06 Thread richmondeagle
>Exactly. You take some reasonable general notions (people are good), >and extrapolate that to unreasonable extremes. It's just another form >of fundamentalism. Wow, with that kind of thinking, Ed would probably even be fussing about Vince Lombardi. -- Larry Miller --- StripMime Report

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-06 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Sep 6, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: > >>> IMO, the fatal flaw here is that it assumes that all individuals have >>> 'good' flowing out of them. >> It seems to me that all extremist (that is to say "simplistic") >> philosophies suffer from a similar flaw: beli

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-06 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 6, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: >> IMO, the fatal flaw here is that it assumes that all individuals have >> 'good' flowing out of them. > > It seems to me that all extremist (that is to say "simplistic") > philosophies suffer from a similar flaw: believing that others > be

Re: [OT] Anarchy, was Cops tasering

2008-09-06 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
Ed wrote: > IMO, the fatal flaw here is that it assumes that all individuals have > 'good' flowing out of them. It seems to me that all extremist (that is to say "simplistic") philosophies suffer from a similar flaw: believing that others believe as they do, and if they don't, they should. Wh