Pete Theisen wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:05 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
deal with god.
I see. God spoke to you and said He accepted this deal?
Yep!
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On Monday 14 May 2007 3:31 pm, Ed Leafe wrote:
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In previous threads you've commented that you also believe that
your
God is omnipotent. If that is incorrect
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You mean books from other religions? But the doctrine says that only
Catholicism is the true religion.
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Are you sure this official Roman catholic doctrine/policy?
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The point I'm making is pretty simple: if God is omnipotent, then
every single thing that he creates is exactly as he intended it to
be. Does this simple statement make sense to you?
And the above, Ed, is excellent theology.
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I concur, Steve.
Everything is indeed the way God wants it. We are confounded by this because it
rather goes against how we, in our imagined capacity as God, would have done
just about everything from the beginning of time. Would the pot say to the
potter, 'Why have you made me so?'
Some
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 7:58 am, Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
That's actually pretty good theology.
Hi Stephen!
Thanks! Have to credit the Jesuits at University of Detroit where I completed
a minor in Theology.
At one time I considered being a priest but I decided I wanted to
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 8:01 am, Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
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But the doctrine says that only Catholicism is the true religion.
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Are you sure this official Roman catholic doctrine/policy?
Hi Stephen!
Arrgh!
One of the saints, or maybe a pope a long time ago said Outside
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 8:21 am, Ed Leafe wrote:
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This is not mocking; this is holding you to your words.
Hi Ed!
Classic come back, Ed, you should copyright it!
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Even if you want to consider Free Will, your God certainly is smart enough
to know that with the limited wisdom he is
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 11:24 am, Robert Calco wrote:
I concur, Steve.
Everything is indeed the way God wants it.
Hi Bob!
Really. I believe that God is saddened by the failure of some persons, but
accepts this as the natural consequence of giving every person the use of
free will. That is
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 8:56 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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The Catholic theologians came to these conclusions by studying not only
the bible, but other religious books,
You mean books from other religions?
No, Catholic books, Catholic saints. There are tons of books and
Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
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You mean books from other religions? But the doctrine says that only
Catholicism is the true religion.
snip
Are you sure this official Roman catholic doctrine/policy?
Are you sure it isn't?
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Robert Calco wrote:
I concur, Steve.
Everything is indeed the way God wants it. We are confounded by this because
it rather goes against how we, in our imagined capacity as God, would have
done just about everything from the beginning of time. Would the pot say to
the potter, 'Why have
On May 15, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
The point I'm making is pretty simple: if God is omnipotent, then
every single thing that he creates is exactly as he intended it to
be. Does this simple statement make sense to you?
And the above, Ed, is excellent
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 1:42 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 8:56 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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The Catholic theologians came to these conclusions by studying not only
the bible, but other religious books,
You mean books from other religions?
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 1:42 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 8:56 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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The Catholic theologians came to these conclusions by studying not only
the bible, but other religious books,
You mean books from other
On Tuesday, May 15, 2007, at 11:01AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 15, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
The point I'm making is pretty simple: if God is omnipotent, then
every single thing that he creates is exactly as he intended it to
be. Does this
Hey Bob!
Got news for you. I AM GOD!
And whatever you say to prove I am not is because you in your human
frailty and fallibility can not conceive the REAL reasons I have to be
as I AM. So please, from now on you'll pray to me from 9 to 9:30 pm . It
must start with Heil Ricardo the
Robert Calco wrote:
Hey Bob!
Got news for you. I AM GOD!
And whatever you say to prove I am not is because you in your human
frailty and fallibility can not conceive the REAL reasons I have to be
as I AM. So please, from now on you'll pray to me from 9 to 9:30 pm . It
must start with
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 2:53 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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It is obvious that you are not taking the discussion seriously. Two posts
down you declare yourself to be God.
1 - It is in another thread. Have you ever heard about thread
separation? Kind of different conversations.
Hi Ricardo!
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 2:53 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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It is obvious that you are not taking the discussion seriously. Two posts
down you declare yourself to be God.
1 - It is in another thread. Have you ever heard about thread
separation? Kind of different
Seriously.
Or a person is a believer or a non believer.
The arguments placed by these persons can be logical or mystical,
but hardly anyone will convince the other to change his views.
That's because the decision goes so deep into the mind in a way
we cannot begin to understand.
The non believers
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:05 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
deal with god.
Hi Ricardo!
I see. God spoke to you and said He accepted this deal?
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Regards,
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:16 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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That is similar in some respects to the square circle. A square circle
cannot be, it is a contradiction in terms.
If God is omnipotent then no rock could be so large or heavy that he
could not lift it, such a rock could not be.
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:05 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
deal with god.
Hi Ricardo!
I see. God spoke to you and said He accepted
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:16 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
snip
That is similar in some respects to the square circle. A square circle
cannot be, it is a contradiction in terms.
If God is omnipotent then no rock could be so large or heavy that he
could not lift it, such a rock
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:30 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:05 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
deal with god.
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:31 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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let me rephrase it.
If I choose evil, there are two possibilities, I do it because society
educated (or brainwashed) me to do it that way or I do it because my
inner self tells me to do so.
Hi Ricardo!
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:30 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:05 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
Michael Madigan wrote:
I think God probably has a loophole for the agnostic, but for the
Atheist who openly mocks his existance, not so much.
God is so loving that he keeps sending profits to help continue the process.
These profits could be in any continent in the world and not just in the
On May 14, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
God realizes that mankind is just dumb and needs constant
reminders over time.
Let me get this straight: this omnipotent God chooses to make man
dumb, and when they act 'dumb' by not recognizing his cryptic
prophets (how can you
On May 14, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
God realizes that mankind is just dumb and needs constant
reminders over time.
Let me get this straight: this omnipotent God chooses to make man
dumb, and when they act 'dumb' by not recognizing his cryptic
prophets (how can you
Ed Leafe wrote:
On May 14, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
God realizes that mankind is just dumb and needs constant reminders
over time.
Let me get this straight: this omnipotent God chooses to make man
dumb, and when they act 'dumb' by not recognizing his cryptic
On May 14, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
By acting dumb they lose sight of the last profit or the ones
before.
They aren't acting dumb; your God made them that way.
You can't have be omnipotent being with the resulting complete
control over your handiwork then
Ed Leafe wrote:
On May 14, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
By acting dumb they lose sight of the last profit or the ones
before.
They aren't acting dumb; your God made them that way.
You can't have be omnipotent being with the resulting complete
control over
Did you mean prophets?
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wrote:
Michael Madigan wrote:
I think God probably has a loophole for the
agnostic, but for the
Atheist who openly mocks his existance, not so
much.
God is so loving that he keeps sending profits to
help continue the
Then you'll have to spend eternity in Hell. Pick one.
--- Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 14, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
God realizes that mankind is just dumb and needs
constant
reminders over time.
Let me get this straight: this omnipotent God
On May 14, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
Why do you think that God wants to act as an engineer and fix
everything?
Why should anything need fixing? It's exactly the way God made it,
by your definition of God.
Otherwise there would be no disease, cancer, AIDS, etc.
On May 14, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
Are we addressing this problem?
Here's the Problem of Evil in a nutshell: Why did a personal, loving
God create a world in which evil exists? Why did God give man
freedom
to commit evil acts? Atheists reason,
On Monday 14 May 2007 9:27 am, Ed Leafe wrote:
On May 14, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
God realizes that mankind is just dumb and needs constant
reminders over time.
Let me get this straight: this omnipotent God chooses to make man
dumb, and when they act 'dumb' by not
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 9:27 am, Ed Leafe wrote:
On May 14, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
God realizes that mankind is just dumb and needs constant
reminders over time.
Let me get this straight: this omnipotent God chooses to make man
dumb, and when they
Ed Leafe wrote:
On May 14, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
Why do you think that God wants to act as an engineer and fix
everything?
Why should anything need fixing? It's exactly the way God made it,
by your definition of God.
What are you talking about? I don't get
What kind of father would teach his children to reject
God?
BTW, yes, I am always trying to improve myself
and live a good life.
I raise my kids to be the same way. Yet it has
absolutely nothing to
do with any sort of supernatural beings such as
your God; it is
entirely a human
On Monday 14 May 2007 1:41 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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I suppose from this that you consider the devil far more sane than this
caricature of God. Trouble is, the devil lives in hell and to be with him
you would have to go there.
But isn't god EVERYWHERE? Then it follows god is in hell
On Monday 14 May 2007 2:15 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
What kind of father would teach his children to reject
God?
Hi Michael!
Hmm . . An atheist father?
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Pete
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Pete Theisen wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 2:15 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
What kind of father would teach his children to reject
God?
Hi Michael!
Hmm . . An atheist father?
What kind of father would teach his children to reject Zeus?
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On Monday 14 May 2007 2:47 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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Lucifer challenged God as an equal
Challenged him over what?
Power, authority.
I think that the angels have free will, the good angels choosing
God's way and the bad angels choosing the devil.
Bloody extremists. Nothing in the
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 5:23 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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I think they had a deadline and missed it.
So, according to you, angels no longer have free will?
Hi Ricardo!
I think the choice was God or the devil, with the understanding that it was a
one time choice, no
On Monday 14 May 2007 7:03 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
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In other words, they have a choice among possibilities, but undoing the
choice between God and the devil, that choice is past
And all these details and stuff. Are they in the Bible? And if not,
where did you come upon them? Who was
Ed Leafe wrote:
God realizes that mankind is just dumb and needs constant reminders
over time.
This is your statement, so I feel safe in assuming that it is your
opinion.
In previous threads you've commented that you also believe that your
God is omnipotent. If that
Proving the existence of God is actually a lot easier than you
think, said former child star Kirk Cameron, minutes before taking the
stage for the Nightline Face-Off.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3148940page=1
Ray banana boy Comfort is so dumb it's embarassing... LOL
Notice how all the Atheists are angry? If God doesn't
exist, why all the anger? Do they get that angry with
children who believe in Santa Claus?
Deep down, the Atheists are scared sh*tless that
they're wrong and they'll have to aswer for it later.
--- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 13 May 2007 12:43 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
Notice how all the Atheists are angry? If God doesn't
exist, why all the anger? Do they get that angry with
children who believe in Santa Claus?
Deep down, the Atheists are scared sh*tless that
they're wrong and they'll have to aswer
Deep down, the Atheists are scared sh*tless that
they're wrong and they'll have to aswer for it later.
Hi Michael!
No problemo, when I die and if god exists I just say
that I was kidding.
E.
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On Sunday 13 May 2007 1:55 pm, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote:
Deep down, the Atheists are scared sh*tless that
they're wrong and they'll have to aswer for it later.
Hi Michael!
No problemo, when I die and if god exists I just say
that I was kidding.
Hi Enrico!
God can read your mind. The
No problemo, when I die and if god exists I just say
that I was kidding.
God can read your mind. The Devil, on the other hand, cannot.
Dream on baby.
Well, than I just ask for forgiveness and say I believe and that
from than on I will pray forever and ever.
E.
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You might want to read the instruction manual before taking that approach!
JH
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You might want to read the instruction manual before taking that approach!
Oh, u mean the one written by the Jews ?
It's there in fine print, all will be forgiven for the ones who believe
and it doesn't say when u have to start.(h I am the devil)
Ahahahahahahaha.
E.
You might want to read
Yes, the one written by the Jews and primarily about a certain Jew.
JH
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A fairy tale version of a fairy tale.
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Yes, the one written by the Jews and primarily about a certain Jew.
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A fairy tale version of a fairy tale.
On 5/13/07, john
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All people are made up too. The question is how?
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So only time will tell which
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A fairy tale version of a fairy tale.
On 5/13/07
On Sunday 13 May 2007 6:43 pm, Helio W. wrote:
So only time will tell which one is the right one: Raelism?
Scientology? Spiritism? Mormonism? Shintoism? Buddhism? Hinduism?
Islam? Christianism? Judaism? Not to mention many others...
All religions are made up stuff.
Hi Helio!
Not quite. Each
I think God probably has a loophole for the agnostic,
but for the Atheist who openly mocks his existance,
not so much.
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On Sunday 13 May 2007 4:01 pm, Eurico Chagas Filho
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No problemo, when I die and if god exists I just
say
that I was
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