Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-28 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: Perhaps if you live in a dictatorship such as Australia or anywhere in the UK, but we have freedom of the press here. Thus, underwear pictures per se are not banned. It is tasteless, however. A bare breast otoh

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-28 Thread Nicholas Geti
Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: Perhaps if you live in a dictatorship such as Australia or anywhere in the UK, but we have freedom of the press here. Thus

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-28 Thread Nicholas Geti
I am all for banning fun in Kangaroo Country. - Original Message - From: Geoff Flight data...@adam.com.au To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:51 AM Subject: RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York REAL

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2009-01-28 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: Perhaps if you live in a dictatorship

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-28 Thread Geoff Flight
Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York I am all for banning fun in Kangaroo Country. - Original Message - From: Geoff Flight data...@adam.com.au To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:51 AM

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Michael Madigan
1. I photograph many times where the sound of a camera is inappropriate. Concerts, weddings, etc. 2. Covering the speaker on the camera will circumvent any laws. 3. What's wrong with upskirt photos? LOL * 1/20/2013 Eviction Notice

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Madigan wrote: 1. I photograph many times where the sound of a camera is inappropriate. Concerts, weddings, etc. 2. Covering the speaker on the camera will circumvent any laws. 3. What's wrong with upskirt photos? LOL Hi Michael! If the skirt wearer has clean underwear on

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
:23 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Michael Madigan wrote: 1. I photograph many times where the sound of a camera is inappropriate. Concerts, weddings, etc. 2. Covering the speaker on the camera will circumvent any

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: Breaching privacy but not being identifiable is hardly ok. Some things are just wrong - such as this. The camera sound idea tho is just absurd. Hi Geoff! Perhaps if you live in a dictatorship such as Australia or anywhere in the UK, but we have freedom of the press here.

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2009 9:42 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: Breaching privacy but not being identifiable is hardly ok. Some things are just wrong

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Michael Madigan
: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:03 PM Breaching privacy but not being identifiable is hardly ok. Some things are just wrong - such as this. The camera sound idea tho is just

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: Hi Geoff! It certainly doesn't take anything to get you into ad hominem outrage. Australia, and any country that bans private ownership of handguns by law-abiding citizens, is a dictatorship. It may be dictatorship by committee, but it is dictatorship nevertheless. It is

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
, 28 January 2009 10:17 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: Hi Geoff! It certainly doesn't take anything to get you into ad hominem outrage. Australia, and any country that bans private ownership

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: Like so many gun-loving Americans you get in some sort of frenzy at the thought of a country that bans them. And then you look at the 50,000 gun deaths in your country and the 100 in ours. Hi Geoff! http://www.tincher.to/myths.htm -- Regards, Pete

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2009-01-27 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Michael Madigan mmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. I photograph many times where the sound of a camera is inappropriate. Concerts, weddings, etc. 2. Covering the speaker on the camera will circumvent any laws. 3. What's wrong with upskirt photos? LOL

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: Like so many gun-loving Americans you get in some sort of frenzy at the thought of a country that bans them. And then you look at the 50,000 gun deaths in your country and the 100 in ours. Hi Geoff

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Michael Madigan
[mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:13 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: Like so many gun-loving Americans you get in some sort

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: You just keep believing that and in the meantime 50,000 each year die from guns while very few do here. Hi Geoff! Both are myths, but you didn't read the link, did you. The 50 k figure includes every conceivable death - crooks killing victims, crooks killing cops,

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Madigan wrote: I know you love pulling facts out of your ass, but it's more like 29,000 deaths. And, 16,000+ are suicides, so I guess you'd prefer that they drink poison or stick their head in the oven. There are only 11,624 homicides by gun.

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Michael Madigan wrote: I know you love pulling facts out of your ass, but it's more like 29,000 deaths. And, 16,000+ are suicides, so I guess you'd prefer that they drink poison or stick their head in the oven. There are only 11,624 homicides

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York I know you love pulling facts out of your ass, but it's more like 29,000 deaths. And, 16,000+ are suicides, so I guess you'd prefer that they drink poison or stick their head in the oven

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: When pete quoted the NRA as the 'gold-standard' in statistics regarding gun deaths you know that his credibility Hi Geoff! NRA IS the gold standard, if you don't recognize that then you have the problem, not anyone else. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
a figure to prove a point... -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2009 2:57 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: Like so many gun-loving Americans you get in some sort of frenzy at the thought of a country that bans them. And then you look at the 50,000 gun Hi Geoff! OK, this doesn't break out the suicides, cops killing crooks, crooks killing each other and crooks killing victims but

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2009 3:07 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: Like so many gun-loving Americans you get in some sort of frenzy

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Pete Theisen wrote: Geoff Flight wrote: When pete quoted the NRA as the 'gold-standard' in statistics regarding gun deaths you know that his credibility Hi Geoff! NRA IS the gold standard, if you don't recognize that then you have the problem, not anyone else. Here you go! More data

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Pete Theisen wrote: Geoff Flight wrote: When pete quoted the NRA as the 'gold-standard' in statistics regarding gun deaths you know that his credibility Hi Geoff! NRA IS the gold standard, if you don't recognize that then you have

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2009 3:14 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Pete Theisen wrote: Geoff Flight wrote: When pete quoted the NRA as the 'gold-standard' in statistics regarding gun deaths

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: Lets assume I was wrong and 30,000 is the correct figure. How does that in any way change the force of my argument? THIRTY THOUSAND people killed by guns. And you don't see a problem? Ignoring crime related gun deaths is absurd! One of the major arguments about guns is that

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: Which part of the NRA being an untrsustworthy supplier of stats do you have troube with? Hi Geoff! As far as I can see you have been quoting some anti-gun source that is just as biased as you claim the NRA is. When pete quoted the NRA as the 'gold-standard' in

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: These table for all of USA tells me there were 30,364 firearm deaths, 32,637 suicides PLUS 18,124 homicides. It doesn't seem to give a breakdown of gun related deaths into accident homicide and suicide. Hi Geoff! How about this?

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2009 3:30 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: Lets assume I was wrong and 30,000

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: These table for all of USA tells me there were 30,364 firearm deaths, 32,637 suicides PLUS 18,124 homicides. It doesn't seem to give a breakdown of gun related deaths into accident homicide

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: You are starting with the 'specious interpretation' phase of statistics which places like NRA do. Deaths of criminals don't count (in your view) and are therefore conveniently ignored. Suicides are ignored because they 'don't matter' and so on it goes. And even with that

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
: Wednesday, 28 January 2009 3:37 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: These table for all of USA tells me there were 30,364 firearm deaths, 32,637 suicides PLUS 18,124 homicides. It doesn't seem

Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: Link doesn't work but at risk of being repetitive, using the NRA sit hardly gives the figures independent support. Hi Geoff! The independent sites are all anti-gun - just as biased as you claim the NRA to be. Oh, well, bed time. We will pursue this later. -- Regards,

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: You are starting with the 'specious interpretation' phase of statistics which places like NRA do. Deaths of criminals don't count (in your view) and are therefore conveniently ignored

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: Link doesn't work but at risk of being repetitive, using the NRA sit hardly gives the figures independent support. Hi Geoff! The independent sites are all anti-gun - just as biased as you

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Michael Madigan
Flight data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 11:21 PM Only a gun-lover could describe 11,624 homicides using the word 'only'. What you have done

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Michael Madigan
data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 11:23 PM And we have 100 and that includes ALL gun deaths. USA is 15 times our population size and close to 500

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
, 28 January 2009 3:56 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Geoff Flight wrote: Link doesn't work http://tinyurl.com/d6gfms but at risk of being repetitive, using the NRA sit hardly gives the figures independent support

RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York

2009-01-27 Thread Geoff Flight
and everyone enjoys. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2009 4:17 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Stupid law of the year goes to congressman Peter King (R) New York Who cares