Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-03 Thread Michael Madigan
There are two types of trains in the US, diesel electric and electric. --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Jean Laeremans wrote: > From: Jean Laeremans > Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 5:21 AM > Most of the

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-03 Thread Leland Jackson
On 08/03/2010 07:35 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Leland Jackson wrote: > >> On 08/02/2010 05:53 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: >> >>> But why to they have a diesel engine powering the electric generator >>> providing power to the electric engines that actuall

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-03 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Leland Jackson wrote: > On 08/02/2010 05:53 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: >> But why to they have a diesel engine powering the electric generator >> providing power to the electric engines that actually power the train?   >> Wouldn't it make sense just to power the tr

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-03 Thread Pete Theisen
Jean Laeremans wrote: > dies powered ones. Hi Jean, "It's people! Soylent Green is people!" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-03 Thread Jean Laeremans
Most of the trains in W Europe are electric. Electric trains are more efficient but require far more infrastructure than dies powered ones. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Leland Jackson
vantage. Perhaps, like the hybrid car, the gain comes from storing the energy from the petrol, while the transportation is not in motion, (e.g. at idle). Regards, LelandJ > --- On Mon, 8/2/10, john harvey wrote: > > >> From: john harvey >> Subject: RE: [OT] unaf

RE: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread john harvey
PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed My physics teacher in high school said he thought the efficiency advantage came from the diesel engine operating at it's most efficient RPM. An electric motor is 90% efficient, a combustion engine is about 30% efficient, but can

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
On 02/08/10 19:27, Stephen Russell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: > >> Charles Krauthammer says the douche bag Hollywood stars will buy them and >> park them in front of their houses and drive their Escalades. >> > - > > Why do you care w

RE: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Madigan
arvey wrote: > From: john harvey > Subject: RE: [OT] unaffordable at any speed > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 6:47 PM > The secret to trains "efficiency" is > very little friction between steel > rails and st

RE: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread john harvey
nday, August 02, 2010 4:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Leland Jackson wrote: > It could take decade to make the transition in any significant way to > the electric cars, and the electric motor is not well suited to >

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Madigan
The TMZ shit just makes me want to puke. --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Stephen Russell wrote: > From: Stephen Russell > Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 6:27 PM > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:10 PM, &

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Madigan
It's the rage among dorks. I can't wait til composting toilets become all the rage. --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Leland Jackson wrote: > From: Leland Jackson > Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 6

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Madigan
RPMs. --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Leland Jackson wrote: > From: Leland Jackson > Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 6:21 PM > On 08/02/2010 04:55 PM, Stephen > Russell wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: > Charles Krauthammer says the douche bag Hollywood stars will buy them and > park them in front of their houses and drive their Escalades. - Why do you care what they do? I find it frustrating that tv stations can sell adve

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Leland Jackson
es and drive their Escalades. > > --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Leland Jackson wrote: > > >> From: Leland Jackson >> Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed >> To: "ProFox Email List" >> Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 6:01 PM >> On 08/02/2010 04:41

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Leland Jackson
On 08/02/2010 04:55 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Leland Jackson wrote: > > >> Most trains are still powered by diesel, especially freight trains or >> train that haul truck beds. >> > -- > > Nope. The power that spins the wheels on a freight t

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Madigan
Charles Krauthammer says the douche bag Hollywood stars will buy them and park them in front of their houses and drive their Escalades. --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Leland Jackson wrote: > From: Leland Jackson > Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed > To: "ProFox Email List&qu

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Leland Jackson
t;> From: Leland Jackson >> Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed >> To: "ProFox Email List" >> Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 5:31 PM >> Thanks for the new term: >> eco-weenie. LOL >> >> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=e

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Madigan
Which is a good point, how many batteries do you need to electrify an 18-wheeler? We'll still be using diesel for 100 years. --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Leland Jackson wrote: > From: Leland Jackson > Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed > To: "ProFox Email List"

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Leland Jackson wrote: > Most trains are still powered by diesel, especially freight trains or > train that haul truck beds. -- Nope. The power that spins the wheels on a freight train is from battery. Those are recharged from diesel motors, but the t

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: > It won't be too bad if the charging is done off-peak, but charging millions > of cars on a summer day can choke the electrical grid. > > Until you can charge a car in 5 minutes and drive for 300 miles on a charge, > forget about these cars

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Leland Jackson
On 08/02/2010 04:30 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Leland Jackson wrote: > > >> It could take decade to make the transition in any significant way to >> the electric cars, and the electric motor is not well suited to >> transport by air, ship, rail, and 18 wheeler

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Madigan
-- On Mon, 8/2/10, Leland Jackson wrote: > From: Leland Jackson > Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 5:31 PM > Thanks for the new term: > eco-weenie.  LOL > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Leland Jackson
Thanks for the new term: eco-weenie. LOL http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eco-weenie Regards, LelandJ On 08/02/2010 04:21 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: > It won't be too bad if the charging is done off-peak, but charging millions > of cars on a summer day can choke the electrica

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Leland Jackson wrote: > It could take decade to make the transition in any significant way to > the electric cars, and the electric motor is not well suited to > transport by air, ship, rail, and 18 wheelers that do the heavy lifting > in commercial transportation

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Madigan
It won't be too bad if the charging is done off-peak, but charging millions of cars on a summer day can choke the electrical grid. Until you can charge a car in 5 minutes and drive for 300 miles on a charge, forget about these cars being attractive to the average American. For me personally the

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Leland Jackson
On 08/02/2010 10:17 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Leland Jackson wrote: > >> On 08/02/2010 07:34 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Michael Madigan >>> wrote: >>> >>> All Government subsidies should end for e

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Madigan
Greenspan helped cause the mess we are in, the shriveled-up schmuck. --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Leland Jackson wrote: > From: Leland Jackson > Subject: Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 9:43 AM > On 08/02/2010 07

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Leland Jackson wrote: > On 08/02/2010 07:34 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Michael Madigan   >> wrote: >> >>> All Government subsidies should end for everything.  Enough. >>> >>> http://www.slate.com/id/2262229/pagenum/all/ >>> >> ---

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Leland Jackson
On 08/02/2010 07:34 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: > >> All Government subsidies should end for everything. Enough. >> >> http://www.slate.com/id/2262229/pagenum/all/ >> > --- > > Are you saying that trickle down

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
On 02/08/2010 09:34 a.m., Stephen Russell wrote: > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: > >> All Government subsidies should end for everything. Enough. >> >> http://www.slate.com/id/2262229/pagenum/all/ >> > --- > > Are you saying that trickle dow

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: > All Government subsidies should end for everything.  Enough. > > http://www.slate.com/id/2262229/pagenum/all/ --- Are you saying that trickle down economics doesn't work? If you don't give advantages to the rich they w

Re: [OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-02 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Madigan wrote: > All Government subsidies should end for everything. Enough. > > http://www.slate.com/id/2262229/pagenum/all/ Hi Michael, "The poor you have always with you", somebody so politically incorrect He was crucified once said. So it is OK now to let "them" starve to death fo

[OT] unaffordable at any speed

2010-08-01 Thread Michael Madigan
All Government subsidies should end for everything. Enough. http://www.slate.com/id/2262229/pagenum/all/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leaf