I know some PCAD users who have been complaining from
Radeon 9600 video card.
It may not be just Protel's problem.
I'm using nVidia GeForce4 MX and it serves me well.
Mira
--- bob stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm using the RADEON 9600 dual head also, and I d
uter.
You'll have to repeat it several times.
Mira
--- Chris Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I have a large? project I am trying to route with
> DXP 2004. This is my
> first project using DXP, although I have spent time
> with test designs and
> tutorials
ideas will appear at
> some stage.
Do you mean that you cannot set (as minimum) the trace
width/clearacne and component height in the schematic
and get this information in the PCB?
I've been using this for years and it's very helpful.
Mira
--- Ian Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
as
you wish.
Mira
--- Ian Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12:03 PM 16/07/2004, Mira said:
> >Dennis,
> >
> >The pin numbering can only be 1 2 3.
>
> Mira,
> In Protel, pin numbers do not have to be numbers,
> they can be letters. So
> you can
Hi Dom,
The basic numbering is
3
1 2
However many other variants of the pinout exist out
there.
Rule 1: Always check the datasheet.
Mira
--- Dom Bragge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When you organise your footprints, what pinout do
> you use for SOT-23's?
>
> D
PH,
When you say that PADS is #1 which part of the Globe
do you have in mind?
Europe uses mainly PCAD/Protel/Orcad. Cadstar/Redac
was one of the options, too.
Mira
--- Protel Hell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wouldn't agree with that, FPGA is kinda like
> Windows was in the
oup of entities (parts, vias and
traces all together).
There are other tips and tricks but I don't think that
this is the forum to discuss this.
Mira
--- Stephen Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The PCB II OrCAD was pretty poor. However, SDT3 was
> awesome. The 386+
> versi
apture is also friendly when you want
to export the netlist to any kind of CAD software.
Mira
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it was not
possible to move it), Orcad decided to totally delete
the net from the netlist. The only way to get the
trace moved was to start routing it using different
path from the start point to the end one and then the
software itself deletes the old trace.
Cadstar was better. PCAD was simply the
e differential pairs on your
designs, PADS would be more helpful.
Is PCAD out of your choices? I'd take a look at it.
Mira
--- Protel Hell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> I use Protel & PADS, and also Orcad to a smaller
> extent. Specctra too.
>
> The thing
Hi,
PCAD can import PADS v4 PCB files.
I haven't done it myself but this topic was discussed
in the PCAD forum.
Mira
--- Tom Hausherr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John,
>
> It would be really great if Altium Protel & PCAD had
> a PADS V4 or V5 import.
>
>
pare
the designs and designers' skills.
After that when I give them a job I know what to
expect as a quality and time.
The design is in PCAD but if you are interested, we
can take this conversation offline and discuss a few
details.
Mira
--- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
If you autoroute a PCB and then go and fix some of the
traces manually, you can eliminate some of the layers
but it will take you more time.
So, as PH said "All is relative".
Mira
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s the price. If your boss cares
about saving some money from shorting the time for
finishing the job and doesn't care about the PCB cost,
then you must be working for a design bureau.
You design the board once but it will be manufactured
many times.
Mira
--- Protel Hell <[EMAIL PROTECT
Mike,
LOL. I ll do that just after I get Specctra to do my
job.
Are you proposing me this because you have nothing to
do with your hands and have been practicing weaving?
Mira
--- Mike Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mira
>
> I feel for you if you choose to basket wea
a PCB with 4 BGAs and I don't know how many other
components. He spent about two months autorouting just
this board and even went to work at night to check the
results and run another session.
Even if I had to work at night, I'd do it manually
much faster.
My $0.02
Mira
--- edsi &l
PH,
Every CAD software has tip and tricks to do things.
Protel has its strengths.
Have you had a chance to use Concept? I bet you'll
love Protel schematic after spending a few hours with
Concept.
Mira
--- Protel Hell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In every schematic capture progr
Darren,
I wanted to change the layer of a segment, which was
already placed.
I can get the segment on the other layer but there are
no vias at both ends.
Is this the way it works?
Mira
--- Darren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mira,
>
> If you mean while placing a track, p
I saw it, Abd.
The Filter menu also looks familiar. Good, good. I'm
gonna like it.
Well, if dreams come true, I may not go to bed
tonight.
I wonder... how do you, guys, move a segment of a wire
from top to bottom layer and get vias displayed? Or do
I have to put the vias manually?
Thanks,
hat's god.
Thank you, Ian, for typing this one more time.
Mira
--- Ian Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 01:02 PM 18/05/2004, Mira said:
> >Abd,
> >
> >When I want to flip a PCB, I want to see all layers
> >mirrored - Top layer goes to the Bottom,
Oh, thanks for the tip, Darren.
I knew I was missing something simple here.
At least horizontally things look better now.
Oops, wires shorted. Now I'm fighting like a pig with
a ring to disconnect them.
Hm, I'd better go back, place small segments and put
net labels.
Mira
--- Darr
the symbol it's no longer connected. Wires are
just lines and editing takes a little bit longer than
it should be. I have to either place another wire or
place a wire and net labels to connect them.
Later,
Mira
--- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 06:41 PM 5/16/2004,
If you want to do so, you'd better export the PCB to
PCAD, flip it there and import the flipped PCB back to
Protel.
Mira
--- Ray Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I was not clear. I want to flip the entire PCB
> layout and be able to work
> on and modify it - not just
s you'd
do it with the autorouter.
Yes, there is a small difference here. You can watch
TV or drink coffee while your PC is doing the layout,
which you can't do if you route it manually.
Mira
--- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not entirely certain th
do care what kind of designs I'm
delivering.
Mira
--- Mike Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What do you have to say to PCAD
> users? Same response?
>
>
> Mike Reagan
> EDSI
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Use Camtastic and export the DXF files from there.
Mira
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Greetings the List,
>
> Our draftsman tells us that the multi-layer issue is
> not so much of a problem. Our real problem, it
> seems, is that when Protel exports a drawing
> (regardless
x27;s for good.
Hopefully one day we'll end up with new CAD software
named "ALTIUM", which will be the best layout tool to
use.
Mira
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John A. Ross [Design] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
ware I'll use. The
quality of the PCB design depends on what you know.
The software is just a tool to help you make the
drawing.
Mira
--- Kerry Berland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> We did a custom project last year in which we were
> asked to use Orcad Layout
> in place of
What about updating the mouse driver?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I find it hard to believe that I've had this wheel
> mouse for two years now,
> and still neither I nor anybody else who has posted
> to this forum has found a
> way to make the wheel run the zoom in/out function
> under Prote
Hi friends,
Please read the message below. I believe there are
many PCB designers in California area who might be
interested in this offer.
Mira
--- "Brown, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A consulting engineer in the Santa Barbara area is
looking for a PCB designer with
Hi group,
Is there any way to export Protel99SE SCH librariy to
a format, which could be read by PCAD2001?
Library export doesn't do the job.
I tried to save the library file as ASCII but it's not
very helpful.
Any tips?
Thank you,
Mira
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without designators. The problem
was to locate those hidden footprints in Protel99
because they were not in the list. It appeared to be a
small mark on top overlay layer used to show the first
pin of some connectors.
Mira
--- Ian Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12:40 AM 19/03/2003,
0" in the ASCII file.
Thanks for your help.
Mira
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Hello, everybody.
I think you need to relax a bit. I'm sending you a
joke, which goes around CAD forums.
Thanks to Mark Venneman and David Ricketts for sharing
it.
Mira
~~~
A tourist walked into a pet shop and was looking at
the animals on display.
While he was there, another cus
ns and route them.
There are some features that I wish to be better...
but nothing is perfect.
I hope my explanations could help you to have a
general view of PCAD as a product if you haven't had
time to play with it. I think it deserves to have its
place on the market.
Regards,
Mira
--- Ba
Hi,
There won't be problems if you use either. I always
prefer TH connectors when possible.
Terminations a normally placed at the end of the line.
Normally you have a component there either on top or
on bottom side.
Mira
--- Anand Kulkarni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
&g
That's how the life goes...
--- Abd ulRahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The best way to learn is to make mistakes. To learn
> big, make big mistakes.
>
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--- Bagotronix Tech Support
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As for market forces on software prices, I'm going
> to do my part. I'm
> > done buying any new Microsoft OS's after Win2K
> (due to their licensing
> > and privacy policies) and Altium (because of
> pricing/support/utility
Hi David,
If you send me the file, I may help you.
Mira
--- David Palombo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
>
> I have an old design of a P-CAD board which I would
> like to import into
> Protel. The original designer has passed away and
> all I have is t
ds to contact me personally, you
are welcome.
Thanks,
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LOL, Ivan.
I really enjoyed your post.
Mira
> In the U.S., NEVER talk meters, celsius, etc. to
> anyone except other
> engineers. They will look at you as if you are some
> alien from outer space.
> And you are, because you're an engineer...
>
> Best regards,
>
they start simulating it all over again.
For these cases we say "they took the shortest way
from New York to Washington via Moskow".
Mira
--- mariusrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I still have memories of some analog switching done
> with bipolars , only
> using reve
ay is
that the time spent on this should worth the price.
I cannot advise someone how much time it will take him
if I don't know how experienced is he.
I also cannot judge how successful the first results
will be.
Mira
--- Gary Packman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mira,
>
> T
Whatever I say seems to hurt somebody. Why don t you
just accept different people might have different
points of view?
Mira
--- Hugh Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good designers rarely simulate their circuitry???
>
> Perhaps 20 years on I am still a newbie!
>
>
s job... it
depends on you. I've seen people spending months for
simulations and then twice more time for debugging.
Luckily there are still bosses, who may afford to pay
for it.
Mira
--- Gary Packman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Afshin Salehi wrote:
> >
> >
Richard,
That is a good idea but unfortunately the printouts
are black&white.
Mira
- Richard Sumner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mira,
>
> I changed the default wire color so there is a good
> contrast between the
> wire and the net labels. The underscore no longer
&
etter.doc and letter_.doc.
Parts named the same way, too.
I don't expect you or anybody else to advise me what
names to use. I don't use underscore but all others
do.
I could only think of the problems that might come up
with using underscore.
Mira
--- Ian Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
attached to the wire
in Protel, the underscore overlaps the wire and hardly
could be seen.
That was what I meant.
Mira
--- Abd ulRahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 03:50 AM 6/5/2002 -0700, Mira wrote:
> >"Net_names" like this look awful on the schematic
> and
> &
Abd,
"Net_names" like this look awful on the schematic and
the printouts. Not recognizable at all.
Mira
--- Abd ulRahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 11:02 AM 6/4/2002 -0700, Bruce Walter wrote:
> >Anybody know if there would be a problem using a
> dash
OK, Dennis.
It looks good to me when printed on paper, too.
I do play with the font size though.
Mira
--- Dennis Saputelli
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> wait till you try printing on various devices
> as you may tell from this thread most (?) of us are
> not using that "\&q
Thanks.
Did you mean Tools/preferences?
I checked it but it behaves differently.
When "\" is placed at the end it draws the line only
after the last character.
To get a single neation on the whole string I had to
type "\" in front of it.
I like this flexibility.
Mira
--- Grah
Hi,
We use "\". In PCAD you can type it once at the end.
In Protel you have to type it after each character to
get the same but it's possible. I don't see any
problems with Protel itself.
Mira
--- Cliff Gerhard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We use a "#&
Check this:
http://www.marsport.demon.co.uk/smd/smdl.htm
Mira
--- Linden Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> Does anyone know of a web site that
> cross-references SMD marking codes with the real
> device number.
>
> I have a SOT-23 d
is important
and the footprints are quite larger.
You have to choose the wave direction before you start
placing your components.
If you use an assembly house, you'd better ask them
for some guidelines. If not, you may find information
in internet of what your footprints should be. Take a
loo
Hmmm,
A real walking tutorial!
Chapter1: The first steps in PCB designers' life.
You'll never forget this.
;o)
Mira
--- Brad Velander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Waheed,
> whether or not you realize it at the moment, you
> are entering a
> complex world of det
there.
Normally we give the size of the finished hole.
They calculate the back-off and the plating
accordingly.
The information of how to drill/mill the slots could
be given in as a separate drawing.
Regards,
Mira
--- Georg Beckmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do not understand, wha
connected to a
big copper polygon or a plane, you'll need much more
to heat it during soldering. To avoid this we use
thermal relief pads.
The "plane" is normally in inner layers (used for
spreading out the VCC and GND), negative image, solid
uld be
the same size as the pads in copper layers or a little
bit less. Assembly companies could adjust them
accotding to their needs.
So, the paste layers are not important for PCB
manufacturing but for assembling the PCB.
Hope this helps.
Mira
--- Waheed Bajwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
something and you don't know how,
you'd better post the question. There are many
experienced and friendly people here.
Good luck,
Mira
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Waheed,
> Get out now while you still have your sanity!!!
> Kidding.
> Stay tuned to this forum, ther
Yes,
I'm with SP6 but I'll check if I can remove it as
recommended.
Mira
--- Emanuel Zimmermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mira,
>
> I remember this as a bug with a former SP. Are you
> on SP6?
>
> Emanuel
>
> Mira wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
this window is always there and hides everything.
Is this a bug?
I know re-opening could solve the problem. Any other
hints?
Mira
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works for binary
files. The problem persists in ASCII saved file.
Mira
> However there are a number of other things that are
> similarly fixed. One I
> can think of off the top of my head is an odd one -
> to do with moving
> selections where some entities disappear at some
>
OK, group.
Let's close this topic.
The strings I got in Protel as a result of PCAD
database import were real strings. They could be
selected and edited but not deleted untill the PCB was
saved.
The problem was fixed.
Thanks,
Mira
--- Brad Velander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
e free, unlocked.
I just can't get rid of them.
Mira
--- Ian Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 02:52 AM 8/05/2002 -0700, Mira said:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I hope it's not so difficult question for you.
> >How do you delete strings?
> >
> >I tried t
PCAD DOS or PCAD2k?
--- Dave Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone had any experience with importing a PCAD
> PCB ASCII file into
> Protel? When I try and do it, I have a lot of
> information missing.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dave Adams
> Safco Corporation
>
>
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ist". So, I
had to load it again. The right way was to re-route it
from the beginning to the end and then the old one was
removed automatically. I hope this is not the case
here.
=== message truncated ===
Oops, obviously we are very talkative.
Thanks for the
x27;t
complain. It was deselected and saved in the mean
time.
How may I select again the PCB only? There are many
other things than I don't want to move.
Thanks,
Mira
> > I have done that in Protel. Enable all used layers
> and go to
> > Edit>Select>All. Click on Move,
better than
PCAD in this manner.
It would be very good if Altium could implement these
features in Phoenix. Sooner or later both Protel and
PCAD will be merged.
OK. Good night.
See you tomorrow.
Mira
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> remains in Protel years
> after it being made clear to Protel/Altium that is
> was a problem. Merging
> co-linear wire segments is not hard and many low end
> sch packages have it.
I'm sure they'll fix it... if they want Protel to
become a &qu
OK, Brad.
You may have a coffee break. I'm going to bed now. How
much time do you need? 15 minutes?
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; floating under the mouse)
> over the GND object and press the INS button and
> this will "clone" the text
> of the power object (in this case the Net).
That was more or less what I expected to see.
Thank you very muc
will only
> affect those parts that
> still show a "?".
This is a good idea. It's interesting if I have C1, C?
and C10 what it will place - C2 or C11. I have to try
this.
Thank you so much, Peter.
Mira
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'll get them connected no matter that there is no
junction at all. Do you understand me?
There is no indication to which wire this label
belongs to. Wire itself does not show anything either.
I can pay attention on this but I may not avoid
mistakes of that kind.
Mira
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PCB and I hope to be able to delete
them afterwards.
How do you copy/paste parts that have been already
placed? Ctrl-c and ctrl-v seem not to work. Do I have
to forget about windows shortcuts?
Thanks,
Mira
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I click on one segment, I see all
other highlighted.
How do you do this in Protel?
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he update PCB
didn't complain either. It just shorted those two
wires while on the schematic they are visibly not
connected.
Is this another feature? How may I prevent designers
for shorting nets this way?
Is there any way to prevent Protel from
could show me
that this label belongs to this wire.
How do you handle this? I can place a lable and a
junction on the line, too.
I can place several net labels on one and the same
wire with different names. What will I get on the PCB?
How this wire would be called there?
Thanks,
Mira.
--- Tony
If you call "example" these files, which are in the
trial, I have access only to them.
All others are locked.
I didn't want my first step to be on top of a "mine"
but even with one leg how may I overcome this?
Mira
--- Dennis Saputelli
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
&
h SP. Does it matter?
Mira
--- Tony Karavidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Mira,
>
> On this list (until we get to know your setup) you
> need to tell us what
> version of protel you're using. There are at least 4
> versions used by people
> on this list and the
g the schematic seems not
that easy. It takes... minutes and always ends up with
"Protel is not responding".
I heard you about "rebooting" often and I did so.
Once... twice... How many times do I have to repeat
this?
Should I use magic words &q
Well, they have to change the name of PADS first.
Then the price will follow.
--- Linh Pham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>NO, It is not good because the price for software
> will go up.
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:
Solution 1. Use different numbering R1, R101, R201...
for the different channels.
Solution 2. Provide a separate drawing of the silk
screen (in PDF format for example) to your assembly
house. You can place the text inside the part
outlines. There won't be mistakes.
Mira
--- JaMi Smith &l
rom one part to the other.
I didn't give up from trying though.
Mira
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The problem is that the translator can not import
> the files right. I
> tried to import PADS files a long time ago, and ran
> into the same problem.
> The only way I
For VHDL I would recommend you "VHDL for programmable
logic" - Kevin Skahill
Mira
--- Damon Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A bit OT, I know, but I thought this forum would be
> a good one to ask...
>
> I have been designing analog circuits (for PCBs) for
> a
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