[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Sam Churchill
It might also be helpful to review the situation in Utah. Nice vision but money short. (www.dailywireless.org/2008/11/25/utopia-ftth-now-focused-on-business) (http://telephonyonline.com/fttp/news/multi-city-utopia-network-1125/) When the Utah Telecommunication Open Infrastructure Agency (UTOPIA)

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Michael Weinberg
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The city of Ashland did something similar several years ago (AFN) with > help from locals agreeing to a food a services sales tax plus a small > property tax to help cover expenses. It quickly spun out of financial > manageabilit

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Gary
The city of Ashland did something similar several years ago (AFN) with help from locals agreeing to a food a services sales tax plus a small property tax to help cover expenses. It quickly spun out of financial manageability but I haven't read up on it in a couple of years to hear whether they sav

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Charles Wyble
Michael Weinberg wrote: > > To clarify Russell's point: > > The telcos have a monopoly (or the cable/telcos have a duopoly) on the > carriage of your bandwidth. That infrastructure, is not, in of itself, > lucrative for them. In fact, my sense is that they mostly feel it is a > miserable asset tha

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Michael Weinberg
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Russell Senior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> "Michael" == Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Michael> What about a worst case scenario? I don't think there's > Michael> anyone in my neighborhood (39th and Holgate) that would be > Michael> interested.

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Russell Senior
> "Michael" == Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Michael> What about a worst case scenario? I don't think there's Michael> anyone in my neighborhood (39th and Holgate) that would be Michael> interested. What would it cost for me to get a run to Michael> myself? How would I be able to ge

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Tyler Booth
> Tyler Booth wrote: >> Another follow up on that with regards to the cost comment. Yes, it's >> true that the investment can be costly. Depending on the number of >> subscribers and overall coverage of the network, you can expect >> anywhere between $2k-$5k and upwards. The idea however is that i

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Michael
Tyler Booth wrote: > Another follow up on that with regards to the cost comment. Yes, it's > true that the investment can be costly. Depending on the number of > subscribers and overall coverage of the network, you can expect > anywhere between $2k-$5k and upwards. The idea however is that it > g

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Tyler Booth
Another follow up on that with regards to the cost comment. Yes, it's true that the investment can be costly. Depending on the number of subscribers and overall coverage of the network, you can expect anywhere between $2k-$5k and upwards. The idea however is that it gives you premium access

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Tyler Booth
Legality issues aside (yes, there are plenty of legal uses for bit- torrent), if your end-points are 802.11n, you don't want to encourage bit-torrent use. Wireless and bit-torrent don't get along well. Even the faster 802.11n standard. It's all about the time-slots and with wireless being su

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-25 Thread Conor Todd
I, too, think this is a great idea. You'd obvisously have to work with the city on this, and it probably wouldn't work in most of the city because the per-person cost would be really high. However, a fiber network which has 802.11n endpoints (and perhaps endpoints inside of pre-wired apartment bu

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-22 Thread Russell Senior
> "Russell" == Russell Senior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Russell> From a 5-page letter, dated October 30, from the Portland Russell> City Council to Congressman Blumenauer (at the end of a long Russell> list of other projects), comes this paragraph: Russell> "Broadband Access: Speaker Pel

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-22 Thread Russell Senior
>From a 5-page letter, dated October 30, from the Portland City Council to Congressman Blumenauer (at the end of a long list of other projects), comes this paragraph: "Broadband Access: Speaker Pelosi, as recently as yesterday, suggested that funds for broadband should be included in the s

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-22 Thread Charles Wyble
Daniel Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Tyler Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I think this this is a great initiative and could be the next "Mississippi >> project" (in a different neighborhood of course). Why don't we allocate a >> weekly meeting to planning what this mi

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-22 Thread Daniel Johnson
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Tyler Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this this is a great initiative and could be the next "Mississippi > project" (in a different neighborhood of course). Why don't we allocate a > weekly meeting to planning what this might look like and maybe form a >

[ptp-general] Re: Community Owned Fiber

2008-11-22 Thread Tyler Booth
I think this this is a great initiative and could be the next "Mississippi project" (in a different neighborhood of course). Why don't we allocate a weekly meeting to planning what this might look like and maybe form a "committee" of sorts to see if we can give this thing some "legs". All o