Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Ryan Shaw
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Michael Hausenblas wrote: > Since this works now, I've got a question: what is the versioning policy > you're using? You obviously have a time-labelled namespace > (http://linkedevents.org/ontology/2009-07-28/) and indeed this resolves to > this one: > > curl -H "

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Michael Hausenblas
Ryan, >> http://linkedevents.org/ontology/Event >> >> and it 404s ... >> > Apologies, that should be fixed now. Thanks. Sorted ;) Since this works now, I've got a question: what is the versioning policy you're using? You obviously have a time-labelled namespace (http://linkedevents.org/ontology

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Ryan Shaw
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Richard Light wrote: > Another ontology/vocabulary which is centred around events is the CIDOC CRM > (Conceptual Reference Model). [1]  It is "a formal ontology intended to > facilitate the integration, mediation and interchange of heterogeneous > cultural heritag

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Ryan Shaw
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Michael Hausenblas wrote: > So, I'm trying to check how linked dataish it is. First class I pick: > > http://linkedevents.org/ontology/Event > > and it 404s ... > > Maybe fix that and then we continue? Apologies, that should be fixed now.

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Richard Light
In message <82593ac00907291409t57507d29u54a5d37a1906...@mail.gmail.com>, Yves Raimond writes The disjoint statement between agent and factor defines factors as something that doesn't have an active role in the event. But are necessary for the event to take place? Or play a significant role in

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Michael Hausenblas
Ryan, Interesting work. > Your feedback (even harsh criticism) is welcome! So, I'm trying to check how linked dataish it is. First class I pick: http://linkedevents.org/ontology/Event and it 404s ... Maybe fix that and then we continue? Cheers, Michael -- Dr. Michael Hausenblas LiDR

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Ryan Shaw
My colleagues Raphaël Troncy and Lynda Hardman and I have recently published an event ontology which is heavily based on Yves' event ontology but which tries to address some of the clarity issues that Pat has raised. You can find it at http://linkedevents.org/ontology/ There is an accompanying te

Re: owl:sameAs [recipe]

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:49 AM, wrote: > Hi Alan > > Just to check I understand your point- because it's perfectly possible I am > missing something important :-)  I'm asking for clarification here, not > making a counter-argument. > > The "standard" Linked Data approach, as I understand it, is

Re: owl:sameAs [recipe]

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Pat Hayes wrote: > To paraphrase Korzybski's famous maxim, the website is not the territory. Damn! I wish *I* said that! :) -Alan

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Pat Hayes
On Jul 29, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Yves Raimond wrote: The disjoint statement between agent and factor defines factors as something that doesn't have an active role in the event. But are necessary for the event to take place? Or play a significant role in the event, so that if they were not prese

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Yves Raimond
>> The disjoint statement between agent and factor defines factors as >> something that doesn't have an active role in the event. > > But are necessary for the event to take place? Or play a significant role in > the event, so that if they were not present, the event would have been > different? Or

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Yves Raimond
>> And while the Event ontology doesn't state event:Factor and >> geo:SpatialThing to be distinct (maybe they didn't want to make such >> statements about other people's terms - with OWL 2 they could do this for >> event:factor and event:place now though) I think it's pretty obvious that >> you're

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Danny Ayers
2009/7/29 Pat Hayes : > Indeed. However, it suffers from one glaring defect, which may simply be a > problem of documentation: i does not explain its terms. Documentation is a pretty common problem... In particular, it > refers to a 'factor' of an event, without anywhere saying anything, either

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Yves Raimond
>>> Indeed. However, it suffers from one glaring defect, which may simply be a >>> problem of documentation: i does not explain its terms. In particular, it >>> refers to a 'factor' of an event, without anywhere saying anything, either >>> in the axioms or in the documentation, to explain what this

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Yves Raimond
>> Wow. No need to shout > > Sorry. You pressed one my buttons. I am so fed up reading 'documentation' > along the lines of "A frongleBlitz" is any blitz with a frongle". It is just > irresponsible to write such stuff when putting forward something that is > claimed to be an ontology, especiall

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Libby Miller
On 29 Jul 2009, at 17:54, Yves Raimond wrote: Also, we are perfectly open for improvements, so if you have any suggestions for improvement or better description of terms, feel free. There is even an open SVN (motools project on Sourceforge, in the event subdirectory), where you can directly com

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Pat Hayes
On Jul 29, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Simon Reinhardt wrote: Alan Ruttenberg wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Yves Raimond wrote: and so we didn't got the incentive to write a better one. Among those examples, you have: * A score in a musical performance * A musical instrument in a musical

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Pat Hayes
On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Yves Raimond wrote: Hello! Indeed. However, it suffers from one glaring defect, which may simply be a problem of documentation: i does not explain its terms. In particular, it refers to a 'factor' of an event, without anywhere saying anything, either in the

Re: ANN: Sparallax! - Browse sets of things together (now those on your SPARQL endpoint)

2009-07-29 Thread Sherman Monroe
Giovanni, Great work!! Now Parrallax is finally linked to the LOD. One request, can you add the Virtuoso LOD endpoint to the list of defaults? Or give quick example how to add it myself. I'd like to take this for a ride through the LOD Cloud. -sherman On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Giovanni Tu

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Simon Reinhardt wrote: > Alan Ruttenberg wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Yves Raimond >> wrote: >>> >>>  and so we didn't got the incentive to >>> write a better one. Among those examples, you have: >>> >>> * A score in a musical performance >>> * A m

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Simon Reinhardt
Alan Ruttenberg wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Yves Raimond wrote: and so we didn't got the incentive to write a better one. Among those examples, you have: * A score in a musical performance * A musical instrument in a musical performance * A piece of text in a reading * A microphon

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Yves Raimond wrote: > Hello! > >> Indeed. However, it suffers from one glaring defect, which may simply be a >> problem of documentation: i does not explain its terms. In particular, it >> refers to a 'factor' of an event, without anywhere saying anything, either >

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Yves Raimond
Hello! > Indeed. However, it suffers from one glaring defect, which may simply be a > problem of documentation: i does not explain its terms. In particular, it > refers to a 'factor' of an event, without anywhere saying anything, either > in the axioms or in the documentation, to explain what this

Re: owl:sameAs [recipe]

2009-07-29 Thread Pat Hayes
On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: Hugh Glaser wrote: On 29/07/2009 12:35, "Kingsley Idehen" wrote: Hugh Glaser wrote: On 28/07/2009 14:46, "Kingsley Idehen" wrote: Hugh Glaser wrote: Good stuff. However, I don't think that Named Graphs are the answer. I get

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Pat Hayes
On Jul 29, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Yves Raimond wrote: Hello! On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM, David Canos wrote: Hi folks i'd like to public a lot of events for a startup project and I want to use a public vocabulary to make it useful. I've found a vocabulary [1] done by Yves, is this ontolog

Re: ANN: Sparallax! - Browse sets of things together (now those on your SPARQL endpoint)

2009-07-29 Thread Leo Sauermann
rocks, thats what I call a nice hack. a great idea - you are near the middle of the lod cloud, man :-) best Leo btw "rock", looking for sean connery and wanting to display all his movies "on a map", google maps says, you are using a "another man's" google maps api key and shows funny messageb

Re: Interfaces to explore the LoD

2009-07-29 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Daniel Schwabe wrote: Kingsley Idehen wrote: Daniel Schwabe wrote: Hi Kingsley (and all) Just a reminder - You can also explore the LoD, including http://lod.openlinksw.com, by adding the SPARQL endpoint address in Explorator ([1] has a short video and a link to the interface itself). Just

Re: owl:sameAs [recipe]

2009-07-29 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Hugh Glaser wrote: On 29/07/2009 12:35, "Kingsley Idehen" wrote: Hugh Glaser wrote: On 28/07/2009 14:46, "Kingsley Idehen" wrote: Hugh Glaser wrote: Good stuff. However, I don't think that Named Graphs are the answer. I get my Linked Data by resolving URIs o

Distributed versioning for RDF?

2009-07-29 Thread Axel Rauschmayer
Offhand, I see the following requirements for many (mostly social) RDF applications: - text indexing - text diff for versioning - distributed versioning and synchronization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_version_control - provenance: author, data source (which might have named graph

Re: Interfaces to explore the LoD

2009-07-29 Thread Daniel Schwabe
Kingsley Idehen wrote: Daniel Schwabe wrote: Hi Kingsley (and all) Just a reminder - You can also explore the LoD, including http://lod.openlinksw.com, by adding the SPARQL endpoint address in Explorator ([1] has a short video and a link to the interface itself). Just (go Menu->Repositories)

Re: owl:sameAs [recipe]

2009-07-29 Thread Hugh Glaser
On 29/07/2009 12:35, "Kingsley Idehen" wrote: > Hugh Glaser wrote: >> On 28/07/2009 14:46, "Kingsley Idehen" wrote: >> >> >>> Hugh Glaser wrote: >>> Good stuff. However, I don't think that Named Graphs are the answer. I get my Linked Data by resolving URIs over http. >>>

Re: owl:sameAs [recipe]

2009-07-29 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Hugh Glaser wrote: On 28/07/2009 14:46, "Kingsley Idehen" wrote: Hugh Glaser wrote: Good stuff. However, I don't think that Named Graphs are the answer. I get my Linked Data by resolving URIs over http. If I ask your Linked Data Space (I hope that is the right use of your terminology)

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread Yves Raimond
Hello! On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM, David Canos wrote: > Hi folks > i'd like to public a lot of events for a startup project and I want to use a > public vocabulary to make it useful. > I've found a vocabulary [1] done by Yves, is this ontology the best place to > start with? > I will extend i

Re: Interfaces to explore the LoD

2009-07-29 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Daniel Schwabe wrote: Hi Kingsley (and all) Just a reminder - You can also explore the LoD, including http://lod.openlinksw.com, by adding the SPARQL endpoint address in Explorator ([1] has a short video and a link to the interface itself). Just (go Menu->Repositories) and add the URL for the

Re: looking for an event ontology/vocabulary

2009-07-29 Thread David Canos
thanks very much Alan for your answer. I'm quite bad creating ontologies but I think it doesn't exists what I need and my ignorance tell me it could be helpful to set out a simple owl describing the event concept and its context: Where, when, tematics, description, prices, images, videos, geolocali

2nd CFP: 7th International Workshop on Evaluation of Ontology-based tools (EON2009)

2009-07-29 Thread Raúl García Castro
(Apologies for multiple postings) ** ** * 2nd Call for papers* *