Re: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 4/22/11 4:58 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: On the more theoretical side, I do not thing that English identifiers are necessarily a barrier to global adoption. HTML is based in English identifiers, most XML schemas are based on English identifiers, the HTTP protocol uses English tokens, etc.;-) Y

Re: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Hepp
Hi Alan: Thanks for the suggestion. However, I am convinced that numerical IDs are not suited for ontologies that will mostly be used in RDFa syntax. Also, changing a majority of identifiers of an already established vocabulary would mean throwing away all of the existing momentum. There may be t

Linked Data and Visualization Matters

2011-04-22 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 4/22/11 4:40 PM, Daniel Schwabe wrote: Dear all, I'd like to take this opportunity to change the focus of the discussion. It seems to me this discussion is addressing a recurring problem we have been facing in the Semantic Web and, more pragmatically, in Linked Data - the way the ontology i

Communicating about ontologies (Was: Labels separate from localnames)

2011-04-22 Thread Daniel Schwabe
Dear all, I'd like to take this opportunity to change the focus of the discussion. It seems to me this discussion is addressing a recurring problem we have been facing in the Semantic Web and, more pragmatically, in Linked Data - the way the ontology is specified and the way the ontology is *com

Re: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
Dear Martin, My advise is to bite the bullet now and once and change all the URIs to use numerical ids, ridding them of any domain content. If you have the desire now to change a string you will have it again. Get rid of the issue now and forever while the semantic web is young. Aside from t

Re: Labels separate from localnames (Was: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 4/22/11 1:35 PM, Bob Ferris wrote: Hi Martin, On 4/22/2011 6:18 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: So our only disagreement seems to be about having the cardinality info in the label, and I think that, at least for the moment, that is the better choice as compared to the alternatives. I really don'

Re: Labels separate from localnames (Was: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Bob Ferris
Hi Martin, On 4/22/2011 6:18 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: So our only disagreement seems to be about having the cardinality info in the label, and I think that, at least for the moment, that is the better choice as compared to the alternatives. I really don't understand why you need this cardinal

Re: Labels separate from localnames (Was: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 4/22/11 12:18 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: Hi Nathan, Kingsley: My point is that I want anybody using any ontology / annotation tool to immediately spot the cardinality recommendation. rdfs:label is displayed by all / most tools. Yes, but time to stop accepting in appropriate patterns :-) rdfs:

Re: Labels separate from localnames (Was: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Hepp
Hi Nathan, Kingsley: My point is that I want anybody using any ontology / annotation tool to immediately spot the cardinality recommendation. rdfs:label is displayed by all / most tools. if I hide it in rdfs:comment, it is not as accessible. Defining an owl:AnnotationProperty will be completely

Re: Labels separate from localnames (Was: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Nathan
Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 4/22/11 7:36 AM, Martin Hepp wrote: See replies inline ;-) Sorry to say this, but I think you are making a mistake. To say that the rdfs:label has to look like a variable name because it is for Web developers sounds to me like you are saying that the javadoc of a met

Re: Labels separate from localnames (Was: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 4/22/11 7:36 AM, Martin Hepp wrote: See replies inline ;-) Sorry to say this, but I think you are making a mistake. To say that the rdfs:label has to look like a variable name because it is for Web developers sounds to me like you are saying that the javadoc of a method should look like a

Re: Labels separate from localnames (Was: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Hepp
See replies inline ;-) > Sorry to say this, but I think you are making a mistake. To say that the > rdfs:label has to look like a variable name because it is for Web developers > sounds to me like you are saying that the javadoc of a method should look > like a piece of code because it is addres

Re: Labels separate from localnames (Was: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Antoine Zimmermann
See several comments inline. Le 22/04/2011 09:44, Martin Hepp a écrit : Hi Tim, all: First: Thanks for your great feedback. As for labels vs. identifiers: What I want to do is change the identifier of a few conceptual elements. The reason why I also changed the labels in my example is that in

Re: Labels separate from localnames (Was: Best Practice for Renaming OWL Vocabulary Elements

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Hepp
Hi Tim, all: First: Thanks for your great feedback. As for labels vs. identifiers: What I want to do is change the identifier of a few conceptual elements. The reason why I also changed the labels in my example is that in GoodRelations, labels are historically geared towards the publisher of d