RE: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Michel_Dumontier
> Many post-translational modifications like glycosylation > (http://www.functionalglycomics.org/static/index.shtml)in proteins > fundamentally change the (functional) 'nature' of the protein (as also the > molecular structure of the protein in case of glycosylation through > addition of sugar cha

RE: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Michel_Dumontier
> An interesting issue, one of identity. What determines the identity of > a molecule, a protein in this case? I strongly believe that the identity of a molecule is only dependent on its physical (chemical) composition. > If you have a protein that becomes > phosphorylated, is the phosphoryla

Re: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Darren Natale
Quite a nice example! These are the sorts of issues that we must contend with while creating the PRO framework. In fact, this addresses another issue of scope; that is, whether or not (in the long or short term) to also account for homodimers, trimers, and so on (currently, GO handles heter

RE: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread SATYA SANKET SAHOO
Original message >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:29:18 -0400 >From: Michel_Dumontier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: >Re: URL +1, LSID -1) >To: Darren Natale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel_Dumont

Re: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread June Kinoshita
If I may put forward a key protein in Alzheimer disease as an example that we are grappling with, there is full-length APP (which itself has a number of forms as well as mutations); various peptides derived from cleavage of APP; and then multimeric forms of the peptides, particularly Abet

Re: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Waclaw Kusnierczyk
Michel_Dumontier wrote: Darren, Also, while we recognize that there are different qualities that can be ascribed to a basically identical biochemical entity in different structural conformations or states of ligand binding, we are not attempting (at least in the beginning) to describe these st

RE: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Michel_Dumontier
Darren, > Also, while we recognize > that there are different qualities that can be ascribed to a basically > identical biochemical entity in different structural conformations or > states of ligand binding, we are not attempting (at least in the > beginning) to describe these structural conforma

Re: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Waclaw Kusnierczyk
Michel_Dumontier wrote: Sequence form is again a placeholder term ... ... distinguish between a phosphorylated version of a protein and the non-phosphorylated version (as an example). The need for the latter derives from the fact that the two versions might have different functions. Inde

Re: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Darren Natale
as Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1) We don't yet have formal definitions for many of the classes and relations (the effort only began in earnest a few months ago). But, basically, there is a distinction made between the full-length (in terms of amino acid sequence) p

RE: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Michel_Dumontier
9, 2007 11:24 AM > To: Eric Jain > Cc: Alan Ruttenberg; Chris Mungall; Bijan Parsia; public-semweb-lifesci > hcls > Subject: Re: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. > was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1) > > > We don't yet have formal definitions for many of t

Re: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Darren Natale
We don't yet have formal definitions for many of the classes and relations (the effort only began in earnest a few months ago). But, basically, there is a distinction made between the full-length (in terms of amino acid sequence) protein and the sub-length parts of proteins (commonly called

Re: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Darren Natale
Protein, in this scheme, is the amino acid polymer produced by a translation process using an mRNA as a template. I suppose this excludes peptides (also amino acid polymers) that are produced non-ribosomally, but perhaps that is okay for the time being. The precise definition will be constr

Re: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Eric Jain
Darren Natale wrote: We don't yet have formal definitions for many of the classes and relations (the effort only began in earnest a few months ago). But, basically, there is a distinction made between the full-length (in terms of amino acid sequence) protein and the sub-length parts of protei

Re: protein entities (was Re: Rules (was Re: Ambiguous names. was: Re: URL +1, LSID -1)

2007-07-19 Thread Eric Jain
Darren Natale wrote: We recently began a new Protein Ontology (PRO) effort geared precisely toward the formal definition of the "smaller entities" referred to by Alan. By "we" I mean the PRO Consortium, comprising the PIs Cathy Wu of PIR (which is also a member organization of the UniProt Con