Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-28 Thread Phillip Lord
> "Carole" == Carole Goble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Carole> Phil Carole> er which bit of "I agree" with you don't you get? :-) :-) Carole> I agree with you! The bit after it:-) We are in furious agreement anyway, which is the main thing. Phil

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-28 Thread Carole Goble
Kei yes - reproducibility is predicated on preservability -- that is one of Phil's points Carole Hi Carole et al., Does preservability relate to the 3 R's? -Kei Carole Goble wrote: Phil er which bit of "I agree" with you don't you get? :-) :-) I agree with you! That is why we hav

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-28 Thread Kei Cheung
Hi Carole et al., Does preservability relate to the 3 R's? -Kei Carole Goble wrote: Phil er which bit of "I agree" with you don't you get? :-) :-) I agree with you! That is why we have a whole programme of work with BioCatalogue for workflow monitoring, workflow decay management, serv

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-28 Thread Carole Goble
Phil er which bit of "I agree" with you don't you get? :-) :-) I agree with you! That is why we have a whole programme of work with BioCatalogue for workflow monitoring, workflow decay management, service monitoring, sharing data using packs in myExperiment and e-Labs etc. Carole

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-28 Thread Phillip Lord
Carole I don't confuse the concepts, although I sometimes get the names mixed up. In this case, uploading a workflow (taverna or otherwise) is not going to guarantee either. I would not expect the workflow that you gave me last year would necessarily either run now, nor give me the same resul

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-28 Thread Carole Goble
Phil yes - do not confuse Reproducibility with Repeatability or Reusability Carole Carole Goble University of Manchester. UK "KC" == Kei Cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: KC> Peter Ansell wrote: >> Wiki's explicitly allow for a permanent link to a particular version of >

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-28 Thread Carole Goble
Matthias sorry for the delayed response -- been on a Greek Island for 3 weeks. ermyExperiment isn't a wiki. Its a Web 2.0 collaborative environment built on top of Ruby on Rails. We have plans to edit workflows through a web interface BUT this is very limited -- frankly, workflows are p

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-21 Thread Kei Cheung
Paolo Romano wrote: At 11:31 21/08/2008, Phillip Lord wrote: > "KC" == Kei Cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: KC> If some journals are requiring raw data (e.g., microarray data) to be KC> submitted to a public data repository, I wonder if workflows that are KC> used to analyze th

RE: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-21 Thread Carl Taswell
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Taswell Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:14 AM To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org Cc: 'Barry Smith' Subject: RE: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges Hi, I'd like to add t

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-21 Thread Paolo Romano
At 11:31 21/08/2008, Phillip Lord wrote: > "KC" == Kei Cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: KC> If some journals are requiring raw data (e.g., microarray data) to be KC> submitted to a public data repository, I wonder if workflows that are KC> used to analyze the data should also be su

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-21 Thread Phillip Lord
> "KC" == Kei Cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: KC> Peter Ansell wrote: >> Wiki's explicitly allow for a permanent link to a particular version of >> something. Hopefully an implementation of a wiki-like workflow editor >> online, will have similar characteristics so that you can sti

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Kei Cheung
ay, 20 August, 2008 8:11:36 PM GMT +10:00 Brisbane Subject: Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges Hi Matthias, Interesting remarks. You'll be interested to know that 'webifying' workflows (in various ways) is one of the pri

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Kei Cheung
Hi Adrian et al, Thanks for the information. I just wonder how clinical workflow might be different from or the same as biological workflow. Also, I just noticed Licoln Stein was copied in this email. Below is my early response to Duncan's email: "It looks like there are a number of ways f

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Peter Ansell
, 20 August, 2008 8:11:36 PM GMT +10:00 Brisbane > Subject: Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: > progress, visions and challenges > > Hi Matthias, > > Interesting remarks. You'll be interested to know that 'webifying' > workflows (

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Marco Roos
Hi Matthias, Interesting remarks. You'll be interested to know that 'webifying' workflows (in various ways) is one of the prime interests of people at myGrid and myExperiment. My personal opinion, a bit from a biologist's perspective, is that we should be careful not to loose some aspects of

Re: [Myexperiment-discuss] Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Mark Wilkinson
I think the INB in spain have a web-based editor (at least for Moby services). It's called MOWServ: http://www.connotea.org/tag/MOWserv M On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:44:46 -0700, David De Roure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We'd be really pleased to work with anyone interested in developin

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Kei Cheung
Duncan Hull wrote: Hello Kei Glad you liked the article. On 20 Aug 2008, at 14:27, Kei Cheung wrote: "To my knowledge, there is currently only one project that aims to bring the pure semantic web to biomedical research. That project is the Simple Semantic Web Architecture and Protocol (

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Matthias Samwald
Peter Ansell wrote: I hadn't looked at DERI pipes for a while, but it has improved a lot since last time. It would be nice to get to the stage where the control flow can be supported in the same way as Yahoo Pipes. I wonder if Yahoo Pipes will eventually support SPARQL and RDF in the same way

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Adrian Walker
Hi All -- Here's another possible item for a cyberinfrastructure. It's a kind of Wiki for content, written as syllogism-flavored rules, in *executable* English. It's live on the Web, and shared use is free. It also works as an SOA endpoint on the Web. Here are some examples of a biological an

Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Duncan Hull
Hello Kei Glad you liked the article. On 20 Aug 2008, at 14:27, Kei Cheung wrote: "To my knowledge, there is currently only one project that aims to bring the pure semantic web to biomedical research. That project is the Simple Semantic Web Architecture and Protocol (SSWAP30)" It's ni

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Kei Cheung
Matthias Samwald wrote: Kei Cheung wrote: Also, it's interesting to see scientific workflows can be published via Wiki (e.g., myExperiment). But as far as I know, myExperiment does not allow editing the actual workflows online, you can only upload and visualize workflow files that have

RE: [Myexperiment-discuss] Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread David De Roure
Hi Matthias Just a quick response as director of myExperiment. What you describe - which I see as even more collaborative editing/authoring of workflows - is very interesting and could certainly fit well with myExperiment. We'd be really pleased to work with anyone interested in developing thi

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Peter Ansell
- "Matthias Samwald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: "Matthias Samwald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "public-semweb-lifesci" > Sent: Wednesday, 20 August, 2008 6:53:09 PM GMT +10:00 Brisbane > Subject: Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-20 Thread Matthias Samwald
Kei Cheung wrote: Also, it's interesting to see scientific workflows can be published via Wiki (e.g., myExperiment). But as far as I know, myExperiment does not allow editing the actual workflows online, you can only upload and visualize workflow files that have been created on the client-si

Re: Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-19 Thread Kei Cheung
uncan Hull wrote: Hello A new paper in Nature Reviews Genetics that talks about semantics in various contexts in the life sciences, might be of interest to this list... Stein, L. D. (2008). Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges. Nat

Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges

2008-08-19 Thread Duncan Hull
Hello A new paper in Nature Reviews Genetics that talks about semantics in various contexts in the life sciences, might be of interest to this list... Stein, L. D. (2008). Towards a cyberinfrastructure for the biological sciences: progress, visions and challenges. Nat Rev Genet, 9(9