Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-04 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 06:10:47 +0100, Garrett Smith wrote: On 3/1/11, Anne van Kesteren wrote: These are the reasons they are intertwined: * document.createEvent() That was previously DocumentEvent interface, IIRC. Implementations put it on Document instead. And of course we could then

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-03 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 04:43:04 +0100, Shiki Okasaka wrote: I guess the reason behind this has been discussed around: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2010OctDec/0081.html Actually what are the blocking issues why DOM Core does not state like, interface EventTarget {

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-02 Thread Shiki Okasaka
2011/3/3 Garrett Smith : > On 3/2/11, Shiki Okasaka wrote:   * we want Node to inherit from EventTarget >>> That can be stated in DOM Core. For example: The Node Interface >>> implements EventTarget [Events Core]. >> >> I guess the reason behind this has been discussed around: > What is the r

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-02 Thread Garrett Smith
On 3/2/11, Shiki Okasaka wrote: >>> * we want Node to inherit from EventTarget >> That can be stated in DOM Core. For example: The Node Interface >> implements EventTarget [Events Core]. > > I guess the reason behind this has been discussed around: What is the reason behind what? Totally lost me

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-02 Thread Shiki Okasaka
>>   * we want Node to inherit from EventTarget > That can be stated in DOM Core. For example: The Node Interface > implements EventTarget [Events Core]. I guess the reason behind this has been discussed around: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2010OctDec/0081.html Actua

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Garrett Smith
On 3/1/11, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:49:48 +0100, Garrett Smith > wrote: >> | DOM Core defines the event and document model the Web platform uses. >> >> That says that DOM Core defines two different things: events and DOM. >> Some things might implement DOM Events Core (or

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:15:25 +0100, Doug Schepers wrote: > > > > I would still like to help edit that specification, to bring a > > slightly different perspective and approach, and to coordinate between > > DOM3 Events and DOM Core, and I believe w

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:49:48 +0100, Garrett Smith wrote: | DOM Core defines the event and document model the Web platform uses. That says that DOM Core defines two different things: events and DOM. Some things might implement DOM Events Core (or a subinterface thereof) but are unrelated to the

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:51:24 +0100, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: What conflicts or contradictions exist currently? Does anyone have a list? Some time ago I put a list in the draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#dom-events Glenn Maynard and I are still researching the

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:59:45 +0100, Adrian Bateman wrote: Something boxed out at the start of the Events section would be great for now. Added: https://bitbucket.org/ms2ger/dom-core/changeset/a997dac35d91 Hopefully we can make sure that the drafts are aligned and if the new DOM Core spe

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:15:25 +0100, Doug Schepers wrote: I will remove my objection to publish DOM Core if: 1) conflicts (rather than extensions) are removed from the draft, or reconciled with changes in DOM3 Events; and 2) for those changes that have broad consensus, we can integrate them

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-28 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Doug Schepers wrote: > > I will remove my objection to publish DOM Core if: 1) conflicts (rather than > extensions) are removed from the draft, or reconciled with changes in DOM3 > Events; and 2) for those changes that have broad consensus, we can integrate > them

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-28 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 24, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Doug Schepers wrote: > Hi, Anne- > > I object to publishing a Working Draft of the DOM Core spec that includes DOM > Events. > > Introducing conflicting specifications that cover the same materials > dramatically harms interoperability, and the idea of "competing

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-28 Thread Garrett Smith
On 2/28/11, Adrian Bateman wrote: > On Friday, February 25, 2011 1:54 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: >> >> The idea is to provide a better definition of the events model at a >> >> more >> >> appropriate location. I do not think DOM Level 3 Events is the right >> >> way >> >> forward, but I am happy

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-28 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 28 févr. 2011 à 17:59, Adrian Bateman a écrit : > My preference is to not have two drafts in the WebApps working group with > conflicting specification of the same feature. Looking at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#events and http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events

RE: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-28 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Friday, February 25, 2011 1:54 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > >> The idea is to provide a better definition of the events model at a more > >> appropriate location. I do not think DOM Level 3 Events is the right way > >> forward, but I am happy to work in parallel to see which turns out > >> bet

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-26 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, folks- I have no problem changing the DOM3 Events spec if that's the behavior that implementers want specified. I'd love for it to be as clear, simple, and precise as possible, and I have been asking for specific feedback for the past few years; while we have gotten a lot of good feedbac

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-25 Thread Karl Dubost
Doug, Le 25 févr. 2011 à 02:21, Doug Schepers a écrit : > Finally, at TPAC, when we discussed working on DOM Core and DOM 3 Events "in > parallel", Would it help if the DOM 3 Events was republished at the same time, with a note pointing to the work done in DOM Core. Something along. "

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:57:04 +0100, Adrian Bateman wrote: Of course it's true that the status doesn't imply everyone agrees with everything and I'm okay with that but heartbeat working drafts are intended to show forward progress and this feels like a retrograde step to me compared to the

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:21:44 +0100, Doug Schepers wrote: > > Finally, at TPAC, when we discussed working on DOM Core and DOM 3 > > Events "in parallel", we did not agree to adding events to DOM Core; > > in fact, we agreed to exactly the opposite:

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:21:44 +0100, Doug Schepers wrote: Finally, at TPAC, when we discussed working on DOM Core and DOM 3 Events "in parallel", we did not agree to adding events to DOM Core; in fact, we agreed to exactly the opposite: you wanted to move mutation events into DOM Core in a t

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-24 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Anne- I object to publishing a Working Draft of the DOM Core spec that includes DOM Events. Introducing conflicting specifications that cover the same materials dramatically harms interoperability, and the idea of "competing specifications" is an anti-pattern when it comes to standardiza

RE: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-24 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Thursday, February 24, 2011 2:37 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:26:19 +0100, Adrian Bateman > wrote: > > I'm concerned about the working group endorsing a working draft with > > phrasing like "The timeStamp attribute must be useless." I understand > > there are issues rel

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-24 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:26:19 +0100, Adrian Bateman wrote: I'm concerned about the working group endorsing a working draft with phrasing like "The timeStamp attribute must be useless." I understand there are issues related to this (e.g. ISSUE-172) but this doesn't seem like a professional w

RE: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-24 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:21 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote: > Anne and Ms2ger (representing Mozilla Foundation) have continued to work > on the DOM Core spec and they propose publishing a new Working Draft of > the spec: > >  http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html > > As such,